The Presidential Debates

[the13bats]

I know the first debate isnt until the 29th but i wanted to get the ball rolling, as some know im not very political, and get a lot of my information right here on the forum, how scary is that? Lol.

At this moment im thinking and its purely speculation trump will win but its so 50/50 my thoughts change momemt by moment, the debates will tell me a lot more, some think joe wont show others think don wont, i believe they will both show, they arent that kind of stupid, a no show from either would imnsho likely sink the candidate.

Feel free to post your thoughts at the moment and we can jump on here after a debate and post our opinions of it,

I have one requestion, dont be mean to each other.

Heres the debate schedule,

2020 Presidential debates,

 

 

First presidential debate: Tuesday, September 29, 9-10:30 PM ET

Location: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland

Format: Six segments of approximately 15 minutes each on major topics to be selected by the moderator and announced at least one week before the debate.

Moderator: Chris Wallace

Candidates: Joe Biden (D), Donald Trump (R)

 

First vice presidential debate: Wednesday, October 7, 9-10:30 PM ET

Location: The University of Utah, Salt Lake City

Format: Nine segments of approximately 10 minutes each.

Moderator: Susan Page

Candidates: Kamala Harris (D), Mike Pence (R)

 

Second presidential debate: Thursday, October 15, 9-10:30 PM ET

Location: Adrienne Arsht Center, Miami

Format: Town meeting. Questions will come from uncommitted local voters.

Moderator: Steve Scully

Candidates: Joe Biden (D), Donald Trump (R)

 

Third presidential debate: Thursday, October 22, 9-10:30 PM ET

Location: Belmont University, Nashville

Format: Six segments of approximately 15 minutes each on major topics to be selected by the moderator and announced at least one week before the debate.

Moderator: Kristen Welker

Candidates: Joe Biden (D), Donald Trump (R)

[Katniss]

1 hour ago, the13bats said:

At this moment im thinking and its purely speculation trump will win but its so 50/50 my thoughts change momemt by moment, the debates will tell me a lot more, some think joe wont show others think don wont, i believe they will both show, they arent that kind of stupid, a no show from either would imnsho likely sink the candidate.

 

It's so iffy right now isn't it? There are days when even I think Trump could still win, but then I reflect on all that's happened this year versus his previous years in office, and I keep thinking there is no way because he really shot himself in his own foot with all of the chaos that has happened this year.

I think your right about the debates being the tell all, so maybe we will know after that who the likely winner will be.

[the13bats]

6 minutes ago, Katniss said:

It's so iffy right now isn't it? There are days when even I think Trump could still win, but then I reflect on all that's happened this year versus his previous years in office, and I keep thinking there is no way because he really shot himself in his own foot with all of the chaos that has happened this year.

I think your right about the debates being the tell all, so maybe we will know after that who the likely winner will be.

Yeah,

In 2016 i felt hilly would have won but she got lazy thought she had it in the bag, ego etc, she was lame at the debates, trump was um well trump not like he was epic at the debates but hilly cost herself the election, her fail.

This time a lot of folks like you who gave trump a chance and were let down so they vote for anyone but trump not necessarily supporters of biden, just not supporters of trump, so that plays in this time. But i feel harris hurts biden more than helps,

I see a lot of people fed up over with trumps fails and blame games, "you got tds" doesnt feed johnny punch clocks family, excuses are useless, its not fun anymore to watch the trump reality show now that its pay per view and its hurting them in the wallet and covid is just the salad dressing on it all.

I know how Trump will be at the debates, lack luster but im waiting to see if biden hands it to him or "trumps" him.

 

[spartan max2]

Here are the topics for the first debate.

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They include: Trump's and Biden’s records, the Supreme Court, the coronavirus pandemic, race and violence in cities, election integrity, and the economy.

https://www-politico-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/09/22/biden-trump-debate-topics-420043?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.com%2Fnews%2F2020%2F09%2F22%2Fbiden-trump-debate-topics-420043

 

None of these topics except the economy are really Trump's strong suite so I think the first debate goes to Biden.

Edited September 23, 2020 by spartan max2

[RavenHawk]

You calling for people to be kind of one another??  That is rich.

Be as it may, just heard that the Senate report just dropped.  Although not directly accusing Hunter or Joe with corruption, opens this up to questions.

"year-long Senate investigation concluded Wednesday that Hunter Biden's efforts to cash in on foreign business deals during his father's vice presidency raised alarm among U.S. government officials, who perceived an ethical conflict of interest and flagged concerns about possible criminal activity ranging from bribery to sex trafficking. "

https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/senate-report-slams-bidens-conflicts-interest-flags

When will the second shoe drop (Durham Report)?

Going into the first debate, how is Chris Wallace going to approach this with Biden?  If Wallace doesn't question Biden on this, I think Trump should go on the attack.  This is going to be a busy month of surprises.

[Setton]

51 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Here are the topics for the first debate.

https://www-politico-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/09/22/biden-trump-debate-topics-420043?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.com%2Fnews%2F2020%2F09%2F22%2Fbiden-trump-debate-topics-420043

 

None of these topics except the economy are really Trump's strong suite so I think the first debate goes to Biden.

Bit of a worry when your own track record isn't your strong suit...

[Setton]

43 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

When will the second shoe drop (Durham Report)?

Well given how long you and @and then have been claiming it's 'imminent' for, I'm guessing just in time for the 4020 election.

[RavenHawk]

8 minutes ago, Setton said:

Well given how long you and @and then have been claiming it's 'imminent' for, I'm guessing just in time for the 4020 election.

No, I haven't been saying it's imminent.  Just wondering when it will be?  The odds are good for an October surprise.  It'll stop short of indicting Obama and Biden.  But dozens under them will be.  But Biden will have to deal with these questions during the rest of the campaign and the remaining debates.

[Hankenhunter]

It's not a close race. The media is making it a horse race because that's what they do to keep viewers. Biden will slaughter the word salad master by throwing Trumps own lies back in his face. Expect a lot of bluster on Trumps part. 

[the13bats]

5 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

It's not a close race. The media is making it a horse race because that's what they do to keep viewers. Biden will slaughter the word salad master by throwing Trumps own lies back in his face. Expect a lot of bluster on Trumps part. 

I agree with you except for its not close, it is, its very close and stuff changes daily, doesnt matter what the media says you cant unhear it, it has an effect.

Now your second part is why im actually looking forward to the debates,  i find trump a babbling baffoon, he doesnt function well on the fly, and is prone to anger issues and sticking his foot in his mouth while spewing nearly incoherent jibberish and making an ass of himself, he will likely get mad and yell and tantrum at biden.

Trump has shown he fears biden in debates the proof to me was all the crying that biden take a drug test before debaiting,  that way when biden slaughters trump trump can say biden used drugs. A cop out lame excuse if biden does spank him.

can biden keep his cool? Can he not get flame baited into a trump who is more stupid match, we will see.

 

[RavenHawk]

1 hour ago, spartan max2 said:

Here are the topics for the first debate.

https://www-politico-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/09/22/biden-trump-debate-topics-420043?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.com%2Fnews%2F2020%2F09%2F22%2Fbiden-trump-debate-topics-420043

 

None of these topics except the economy are really Trump's strong suite so I think the first debate goes to Biden.

Let’s take a look:

1) Trump's and Biden’s records, - Seriously?  Trump has done more for this country in 4 years than Biden has in 47 years.  Can you name a significant contribution?  Big win for Trump.  Loss for Biden.

 

2) the Supreme Court, - Trump has nominated 2 Conservative justices and is about to nominate a third.  Biden will want to pack the court and fill it with Liberal judges.  The purpose of the Judicial is not to legislate from the bench.  That should be avoided at all costs.  Making law is for Congress to do.  That’s why RoevWade isn’t going anywhere.  Big Big win for Trump.  Loss for Biden.

 

3) the coronavirus pandemic, He’s done as good as anyone else given a kobayashi Maru situation.  Millions of Americans are alive because of Trump’s actions.  If it was under Biden, those millions would have died.  But now, he’ll shutdown the country and destroy the economy for good.  Now that we know that shutdowns are not necessary.  Big win for Trump, big big loss for Biden.

 

4) race and violence in cities, - Trump didn’t react tough enough, but he didn’t want to declare a national emergency.  But when he was asked by Minneapolis and Kenosha to help, the violence stopped.  He reacted in other areas like protecting federal property inside of various cities.  He’s also doing things behind the scenes like issuing the EO that protects American monuments.  And he has things going on with the DOJ to view film of perpetrators, bringing them to justice.  We’ll see if anything happens in Louisville?  Biden would have followed the Obama strategy of rioting, tell the police to stand down and let businesses get looted and burned.    Biden represents those (Soros and Blumberg) that are paying millions for bail for Antifa and BLM to get out of jail.  Win for Trump, big loss for Biden.

 

5) election integrity, - Trump has been warning of unsolicited ballots and untested, unsecure mail in ballots.  Biden is the front man to destroy the integrity of elections.  Win for Trump and loss for Biden.

 

6) and the economy. – Trump has made this economy strong.  Markets were up, wages up, mean household income up 50%, unemployment down for all minorities.  Where covid would cripple any other economy, this economy is bouncing back like nobody’s business.  Biden will raise taxes to pay for the Green New Deal and free college, double regulation, and send our jobs back to China.  Ultimately returning our economy to Obama/Biden era where people leave the workforce and raises will be lucky to be 1%.  Super big win for Trump, Super big loss for Biden and Socialists.

 

Trump needs to hit each one of those points in the debates and watch the disconnected answers that Biden gives.

[spartan max2]

Biden previously stated he was against court packing.

That was before RBG died though so Im curious to see if he will keep that stance during the debate or not.

[Knob Oddy]

4 hours ago, the13bats said:

At this moment im thinking and its purely speculation trump will win but its so 50/50 my thoughts change momemt by moment, the debates will tell me a lot more, some think joe wont show others think don wont,

 

[the13bats]

16 minutes ago, Hugh Mungus said:

 

We will see, and my OCD lets just say we will see....

[Katniss]

1 hour ago, Hankenhunter said:

It's not a close race. The media is making it a horse race because that's what they do to keep viewers. Biden will slaughter the word salad master by throwing Trumps own lies back in his face. Expect a lot of bluster on Trumps part. 

 

1 hour ago, the13bats said:

I agree with you except for its not close, it is, its very close and stuff changes daily, doesnt matter what the media says you cant unhear it, it has an effect.

Now your second part is why im actually looking forward to the debates,  i find trump a babbling baffoon, he doesnt function well on the fly, and is prone to anger issues and sticking his foot in his mouth while spewing nearly incoherent jibberish and making an ass of himself, he will likely get mad and yell and tantrum at biden.

Trump has shown he fears biden in debates the proof to me was all the crying that biden take a drug test before debaiting,  that way when biden slaughters trump trump can say biden used drugs. A cop out lame excuse if biden does spank him.

can biden keep his cool? Can he not get flame baited into a trump who is more stupid match, we will see.

 

Actually @Hankenhunter may be right. A friend of mine just showed this to me and this Professor has never been wrong since 1984.

 

Wow! Those 13 questions he made really seem to be spot on. I think what little doubts I had are fading away now.

Edited September 23, 2020 by Katniss

[+OverSword]

 

[Arbenol]

5 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

3) the coronavirus pandemic, He’s done as good as anyone else given a kobayashi Maru situation. 

 

It may well have been a no-win situation. But there's a difference between getting beat and getting your backsides handed to you.

[RavenHawk]

3 hours ago, Katniss said:

 

Actually @Hankenhunter may be right. A friend of mine just showed this to me and this Professor has never been wrong since 1984.

 

Wow! Those 13 questions he made really seem to be spot on. I think what little doubts I had are fading away now.

 I like that approach but I think the Prof isn’t going to get this right this time.  His perceptions are tainted by the MSM.  I answered the questions.  I found 2 of them were tossups but even with the score I came up with, if those two are counted for Biden, there are 3 negatives for Trump and 10 for Biden.  Below, I will give my reasoning.

1. Party Mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than after the previous midterm elections. - B

2. Contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination. - T

3. Incumbency: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president. -T

4. Third party: There is no significant third party or independent campaign. -T

5. Short-term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election campaign. -?

6. Long-term economy: Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms. -T

7. Policy change: The incumbent administration affects major changes in national policy. -T

8. Social unrest: There is no sustained social unrest during the term. -?

9. Scandal: The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal. -T

10. Foreign/military failure: The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs. -T

11. Foreign/military success: The incumbent administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs. -T

12. Incumbent (party) charisma: The incumbent party candidate is charismatic or a national hero. -T

13. Challenger (party) charisma: The challenging party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero. -T

1) Party Mandate: No question that this goes to Biden. 

2) Contest: No question here that this goes to Trump. 

3&4) Incumbency & Third Party: To Trump. 

5) Short-term economy: This is a tossup.  Because it is recovering and recovering nicely.  But people are hurting.  Biden won’t be able to help them any better.  But this goes to Biden.

6) Long-term economy: Is strong with the promise of getting stronger.  Under Biden, he will kill this progress.  People are concerned with the ‘here and now’, but they aren’t stupid.  People aren’t going to sacrifice their future because of short-term pain.  This goes to Trump. 

7) Policy Change:  This goes to Trump.  Cutting taxes, removing regulations, nominating 3 supreme court justices and about 300 judges in the minor courts, Right to Try, VA reform, killing the ACA mandate, killing the AFFH, pulling out or the TPP and the Paris Accords, making a better trade deal with Canada and Mexico, adding a 6^th military branch, revitalizing NASA, and the list goes on.  But the major change is that he’s broken the status quo of prior administrations.  He makes promises and he keeps them.  That’s better than Biden. 

8) Social Unrest: I call this a tossup only because it is clear where the social unrest is coming from and I don’t think the people are that stupid to fall for this intimidation.  But I know, it doesn’t matter if it his fault or not, goes to Biden.

9) Scandal: This goes to Trump.  He has no major scandals (unlike Biden).  Any perceived scandals are manufactured by the Left over the past five years.

10) Foreign/military failure: Trump has none, goes to Trump.

11) Foreign/military success: Trump has many from taking on China, and Iran.  Building a fragile rapport with Putin and Un.  Getting our allies to pull their weight.  Making peace in the Middle East between Israel and at least 7 Arab nations.  Making peace between Kosovo and Serbia.  Goes Trump big time.

12) Incumbent (party) Charisma: This goes to Trump.  Trump has an honest charisma.  *Everyone* either loves him or hates him.  More appealing than the kind Obama exhibited.  But as the saying goes, even bad press is better than none.

13) Challenger (party) Charisma: This goes to Trump too.  Biden and Harris are not appealing at all.  Harris dropped from the primaries because no one likes her.  Those that support Biden do so not because they like Biden but because they hate Trump.  That kind of appeal doesn’t last long.

 

This doesn’t include the ramifications of the Senate report that dropped today.  Things are going to change very quickly over the next month.

 

[RavenHawk]

7 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Biden previously stated he was against court packing.

Previously, he stated many things and then after signing the Bernie Manifesto, he seems to be claiming opposite things.  Dan Bongino plays clips titled “Biden vs Biden” where Biden debates himself.  Dan plays clips where Biden says one thing and then another.  There is one thing for sure, if Biden is our next President, he will be told which side of things he’s going to impose and if he doesn’t, they’ll pull the 25^th Amendment.  Court packing goes to cementing a permanent one-party rule.  So of course he will be for it.

 

That was before RBG died though so Im curious to see if he will keep that stance during the debate or not.

I don’t think it will be all that hard to trip him up.  If Trump is on his game, he’ll just wait for a gaff and then pounce.

 

[Katniss]

9 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

 I like that approach but I think the Prof isn’t going to get this right this time.  His perceptions are tainted by the MSM.  I answered the questions.  I found 2 of them were tossups but even with the score I came up with, if those two are counted for Biden, there are 3 negatives for Trump and 10 for Biden.  Below, I will give my reasoning.

 

Well to be fair there is always a first time Allan Lichtman can be wrong, even with a stellar prediction record since 1984. But on the other hand, Lichtman could still be right about Biden being the winning candidate and yet somehow Trump could still remain President for the next four years through some unforeseen circumstance. Stranger things have been know to happen, like this Covid-19 pandemic happening during a presidential election cycle. I would have never foreseen something like that hurting Trump's chances of winning a reelection, because like most people before the pandemic, I thought for sure Trump would be reelected a second time. And if it weren't for the pandemic and the disastrous domino effect it has caused so far, like the high unemployment, I would have still believed Trump would win again.

 

 

[ian hacktorp]

Biden looks and sounds terrible in this interview...and information about Obama-era corruption continues to pour out.

Joe is finished:

 

[RavenHawk]

11 minutes ago, ian hacktorp said:

Biden looks and sounds terrible in this interview...and information about Obama-era corruption continues to pour out.

Joe is finished:

 

OMG!  Not a smidgen of corruption??  Come on man!  He’s probably right, there isn’t a smidgen, there is ample.

[the13bats]

12 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

I don’t think it will be all that hard to trip him up.  If Trump is on his game, he’ll just wait for a gaff and then pounce.

That door can swing either way trump is king of gaffs a disaster on the fly he babbles and mispronounces things while making up stuff and spewing misinformation if slowy joey is remotely on his game he doesnt have to trip up trump trump bumbles and stumbles on his own joey will just put a bright spot light on trumps epic fails, with debate time limits slowy joey can just pick and choose trumps biggest failures and if trump cant control himself, his anger issues take over from his incompetence flown at full mast he will have a blithering tantrum meltdown and hand it to joey, can trump keep his cool and remember its better to keep ones mouth shut and be considered a fool that to open ones mouth and prove what a baffoon you are,  trumps mouth is not his friend.

However,

If joey is all slow and duh, looking all deer in headlights and going at the debates like hilly did he will be handing trump the election all wrapped in a not so pretty package,  he might catch that and show his anger which is a fine line of either looking strong or just looking like a failure grasping. Joey has to be on his "A" game people know trumps a baffoon but if joey bumbles hes done for.

 

 

[ian hacktorp]

3 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Joey has to be on his "A" game

I guess you mean Biden has to be on "Adderall" to have a chance.

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, the13bats said:

That door can swing either way trump is king of gaffs a disaster on the fly he babbles and mispronounces things while making up stuff and spewing misinformation if slowy joey is remotely on his game he doesnt have to trip up trump trump bumbles and stumbles on his own

It is no longer about issues for either side is it?  It is about game. When Trump flies off on a tangent or insults somebody, he is being honest and straight talking about what he thinks.  If Biden does the exact same thing, he is senile.

So, no issues needed.  Could be a bullfight.  Joe could trip and get trampled or play Trump like a matador.

When Trump is about to start a response, Joe interrupts and says, "Donald, you sound a little hoarse.  Would you like me to help you get a drink of water?"

"I have to salute you on your courage in the face of coronavirus Donald.  Being old and obese is such a double whammy."

"You look a little different Donald, new stylist?  They didn't quite get your hair done as well as your regular stylist.  Ooh, too bad."

They never need to answer a question on the economy or covid or China or taxes.  Nobody will listen anyway, people will just tune in for the contest and hope for a car crash.