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The Presidential Debates

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the13bats
2 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

They won't, which is why every sane person should ask that question repeatedly. 

Why is a treatment that comes from fetal cells acceptable for Trump, who is supposedly pro-life? 

Which option is worse - that he's such a gigantic hypocrite, or that he can't understand fetal cells don't grow in trees? 

   

He doesnt care about anything or anyone except himself,

I would like to see any of his worshippers try to bluster and bray some lame excuse reasoning for why it was different and okay for mr pro life to get a treatment that comes from fetal cells

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simplybill
47 minutes ago, the13bats said:

why it was different and okay for mr pro life to get a treatment that comes from fetal cells

That claim has been debunked:

Did Regeneron use aborted fetal cells to make the monoclonal antibodies that Trump received?  

“No. Although the monoclonal antibodies infused into Trump were not made from or in fetal cells, Regeneron did develop that treatment with the help of a long-lived line of cells established from the kidneys of a fetus electively aborted in the Netherlands around 1972. The company relied on those widely used cells, known HEK-293 cells, to make mimics of the coronavirus spike protein. Researchers used these proteins to test the potency of antibodies found in COVID-19 patients or made in mice with a humanlike immune system (see initial question). The antibodies selected for the company’s cocktail, however, were then mass produced in nonfetal cells. The creation of the humanized mice also did not rely on HEK-293 cells or other cells from aborted fetuses or human embryos. Regeneron scientists detail their methods in the supplementary material to this paper published in Science in August.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10/heres-what-known-about-president-donald-trump-s-covid-19-treatment

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RAyMO
Just now, simplybill said:

That claim has been debunked:

Did Regeneron use aborted fetal cells to make the monoclonal antibodies that Trump received?  

“No. Although the monoclonal antibodies infused into Trump were not made from or in fetal cells, Regeneron did develop that treatment with the help of a long-lived line of cells established from the kidneys of a fetus electively aborted in the Netherlands around 1972. The company relied on those widely used cells, known HEK-293 cells, to make mimics of the coronavirus spike protein. Researchers used these proteins to test the potency of antibodies found in COVID-19 patients or made in mice with a humanlike immune system (see initial question). The antibodies selected for the company’s cocktail, however, were then mass produced in nonfetal cells. The creation of the humanized mice also did not rely on HEK-293 cells or other cells from aborted fetuses or human embryos. Regeneron scientists detail their methods in the supplementary material to this paper published in Science in August.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10/heres-what-known-about-president-donald-trump-s-covid-19-treatment

As you say the treatment was dependent on research from a "fetus electively aborted"

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simplybill
1 minute ago, RAyMO said:

As you say the treatment was dependent on research from a "fetus electively aborted"

From the Science article:

“The antibodies selected for the company’s cocktail, however, were then mass produced in nonfetal cells. The creation of the humanized mice also did not rely on HEK-293 cells or other cells from aborted fetuses or human embryos.“

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RAyMO
1 minute ago, simplybill said:

From the Science article:

“The antibodies selected for the company’s cocktail, however, were then mass produced in nonfetal cells. The creation of the humanized mice also did not rely on HEK-293 cells or other cells from aborted fetuses or human embryos.“

based on the original fetus based research. 

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simplybill
2 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

based on the original fetus based research. 

From the Science article:

The antibodies selected for the company’s cocktail, however, were then mass produced in non-fetal cells.” 

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RAyMO
12 minutes ago, simplybill said:

From the Science article:

The antibodies selected for the company’s cocktail, however, were then mass produced in non-fetal cells.” 

no matter how many times you rephrase it - your post quite clearly states that the original research from which all else evolved was based on an aborted fetus. here's the key sentence from your post:

"Regeneron did develop that treatment with the help of a long-lived line of cells established from the kidneys of a fetus electively aborted in the Netherlands around 1972"

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simplybill
13 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

no matter how many times you rephrase it 

I quoted directly from the Science article. I didn’t rephrase anything from the article.

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DieChecker

Interesting how if you point out that the phrasing with Trump is important (Re: Detergent Injection) they dont care, but when there's a 50 year old gotcha, the phrasing is real important.

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Horta
1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

Interesting how if you point out that the phrasing with Trump is important (Re: Detergent Injection) they dont care

Consider what he is talking about here. Injecting disinfectant internally somehow to cure a respiratory illness. Love him or hate him (as he doesn't seem to inspire much in between) but any way you phrase that it can only ever sound like it emanated from a simpleton.

Unless he really was being sarcastic as he later claimed, if so he should forget the sarcasm or find a way to make it more obvious. 

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