The election that could break America

[Kittens Are Jerks]

The Election That Could Break America

There is a cohort of close observers of our presidential elections, scholars and lawyers and political strategists, who find themselves in the uneasy position of intelligence analysts in the months before 9/11. As November 3 approaches, their screens are blinking red, alight with warnings that the political system does not know how to absorb. They see the obvious signs that we all see, but they also know subtle things that most of us do not. Something dangerous has hove into view, and the nation is lurching into its path.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

The Republicans are doing all they can to secure an advantage at this election. We already know about Trump's relentless crusade against voting by mail and now we know why. It's to sow all kinds of mistrust in the system so that he can then pull stunts like this:

According to sources in the Republican Party at the state and national levels, the Trump campaign is discussing contingency plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors in battleground states where Republicans hold the legislative majority. With a justification based on claims of rampant fraud, Trump would ask state legislators to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly. The longer Trump succeeds in keeping the vote count in doubt, the more pressure legislators will feel to act before the safe-harbor deadline expires.

[+OverSword]

[Vorg]

This will be an election to remember, no doubt. And I'll say it again: If he is winning on election night before all the votes are counted, expect him to try to stop the rest of the vote counts in some way. Mark my words.

[Kittens Are Jerks]

3 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

This will be an election to remember, no doubt. And I'll say it again: If he is winning on election night before all the votes are counted, expect him to try to stop the rest of the vote counts in some way. Mark my words.

And if he loses, he will not concede. Mark my words.

[Vorg]

3 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

And if he loses, he will not concede. Mark my words.

I hear that.

[+Desertrat56]

11 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

And if he loses, he will not concede. Mark my words.

I suspect that if he does not concede the military will show up to evict him.  Mark my words, they have no love for him. 

Edited September 23, 2020 by Desertrat56

[+and-then]

15 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

This will be an election to remember, no doubt. And I'll say it again: If he is winning on election night before all the votes are counted, expect him to try to stop the rest of the vote counts in some way. Mark my words.

The election has been done the same way for a couple of hundred years.  Even absentee ballots - which have to be requested with security measures in place - often are rejected due to incorrect use of the forms, missed signatures and so on.  There are many recent examples where thousands of these ballots arrived late, to the wrong address or not at all.  If Trump is winning big on election night and we allow weeks, months? for votes to be counted, would you be okay for a result that favored the opponent of YOUR candidate in that scenario?  If this election causes  a serious breakdown in this country, look to those who insisted on changing things drastically without NEED.

[+and-then]

6 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I suspect that if he does not concede the military will show up to evict him.  Mark my words, they have no love for him. 

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs disagrees.  Milley says the military will take NO part in this election.

[+Desertrat56]

23 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Mark my words.

[Tatetopa]

10 minutes ago, and then said:

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs disagrees.  Milley says the military will take NO part in this election.

Yes he did, and rightly so.  Should the need arise, It falls to the US Park Service Rangers to escort trespassers off of Federal Land.

[RavenHawk]

35 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

The Republicans are doing all they can to secure an advantage at this election.

And the Left isn't?  They've been trying to seize the advantage for the last 5 years and continue to fail.  Not a good track record.

35 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

We already know about Trump's relentless crusade against voting by mail and now we know why. It's to sow all kinds of mistrust in the system so that he can then pull stunts like this:

We have no trust in an unproven system of mass mail in ballots.  Unsolicited ballots are ripe for corruption.  Do you want to bet that on election night Trump will have a huge lead.  But all of the mail in ballots need to be recounted.  How much do you want to bet that after election night (when they know how many ballots they need) new ballots in key counties will just appear and the majority are for Biden?  And they are playing up that most Biden supporters will be the majority of mail ins.  I think most people are going to go vote in person, just because of the stigma around it.

[the13bats]

If trump losses doesnt matter how big he will not concede, he will refuse any outcome where he doesnt win,

He will call on his supporters to risk life and limb to defend him and keep him in office, you can see by replies on here his worshippers do not care about their families lives or their own they will do whatever civil action is required to keep their man in the WH, perhaps they will get special membership at marlago.

As trump boasts 100% of military and LEO are behind him, they will join in force with his private supporters and it will be like vader and his stormtroopers,

Groups like blm, antifa etc will simply be overwhelmed and outmanned to do anything but be angry and any isolated riots peaceful or not will be quickly extinguished with trump authorizing by any means necessary.

Trump will be potus until he passes away or passes the crown to ivanka, jarred or whoever he deems fit, if he keeps fit we could have decades of king trump.

We wont see much chaos because something will cause biden to loose big removing any question trump won and his transition to king dictator of USA slash that, UST, "united states of trump" will be smoother and more drawn out.

Nostradamus quatrain 943 or somewhere in revelations, or maybe Berry Champlain said it.

[aztek]

6 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

............. I think most people are going to go vote in person, just because of the stigma around it.

they may not be allowed to vote in person,  election officials may have a check next to your name, that mail in ballot was sent, and people have to use that instead of voting in person.  i can totally see dems do that. 

i already do not see the future election as legit, it is being rigged already

Edited September 23, 2020 by aztek

[RavenHawk]

6 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Yes he did, and rightly so.  Should the need arise, It falls to the US Park Service Rangers to escort trespassers off of Federal Land.

Paranoia on steroids.  Besides, if there is no winner by 20 Jan, there is no rush to vacate the Whitehouse since the power will reside elsewhere.  Pelosi or whoever the Speaker is should not expect to move in.  Doesn't makes sense to move out of the Whitehouse, only to turn around and move back in.  Likewise, on 20 Jan if no result is known, Biden does not have the right to move in.  So cool your heels Libs.

[Vorg]

22 minutes ago, and then said:

The election has been done the same way for a couple of hundred years.  Even absentee ballots - which have to be requested with security measures in place - often are rejected due to incorrect use of the forms, missed signatures and so on.  There are many recent examples where thousands of these ballots arrived late, to the wrong address or not at all.  If Trump is winning big on election night and we allow weeks, months? for votes to be counted, would you be okay for a result that favored the opponent of YOUR candidate in that scenario?  If this election causes  a serious breakdown in this country, look to those who insisted on changing things drastically without NEED.

I don't have a candidate in this election, but that said, It has been said it could take weeks.

There is a big difference between let's say 2,344 mail in ballots and 657,837 ballots tallied by a machine, VS 456,343 mail in ballots and 203,838 tallied by machine. It will take much longer than one night in most larger districts.

[Vorg]

57 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

The Election That Could Break America

There is a cohort of close observers of our presidential elections, scholars and lawyers and political strategists, who find themselves in the uneasy position of intelligence analysts in the months before 9/11. As November 3 approaches, their screens are blinking red, alight with warnings that the political system does not know how to absorb. They see the obvious signs that we all see, but they also know subtle things that most of us do not. Something dangerous has hove into view, and the nation is lurching into its path.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/

The Republicans are doing all they can to secure an advantage at this election. We already know about Trump's relentless crusade against voting by mail and now we know why. It's to sow all kinds of mistrust in the system so that he can then pull stunts like this:

According to sources in the Republican Party at the state and national levels, the Trump campaign is discussing contingency plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors in battleground states where Republicans hold the legislative majority. With a justification based on claims of rampant fraud, Trump would ask state legislators to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly. The longer Trump succeeds in keeping the vote count in doubt, the more pressure legislators will feel to act before the safe-harbor deadline expires.

This is also being reported by larger media. Forbes, MSN etc.. 

[RavenHawk]

2 minutes ago, aztek said:

they may not be allowed to vote in person,  election officials may have a check next to your name, that mail in ballot was sent, and people have to use that instead of voting in person.  i can totally see dems do that. 

That's possible but unconstitutional.  If you go to vote in person and there is a note saying you got a mail in ballot, you should be able to state that you want to vote in person.  At most the clerk serving you should just say, "please shred your mail in ballot when you get home".  As we already know, they'll check on duplicate ballots.  I guess you could bring the mail in with you to the polling place and watch them shred it.

[Kittens Are Jerks]

24 minutes ago, and then said:

The election has been done the same way for a couple of hundred years.  Even absentee ballots - which have to be requested with security measures in place - often are rejected due to incorrect use of the forms, missed signatures and so on.  There are many recent examples where thousands of these ballots arrived late, to the wrong address or not at all.  If Trump is winning big on election night and we allow weeks, months? for votes to be counted, would you be okay for a result that favored the opponent of YOUR candidate in that scenario?  If this election causes  a serious breakdown in this country, look to those who insisted on changing things drastically without NEED.

I read an article recently regarding some of the issues with mail in ballots and the two takeaways were (1) voting by mail has a marginal affect on turnout and is of no significant advantage (for either party) and, (2) mail in ballots are more likely to be rejected (for various reasons, including those you've mentioned) than in-person ballots. It's a problem in this particular election year, especially given the issues with in-person voting during a pandemic. But what's happened in prior years with mail in ballots? I can't recall a need to spend weeks or months counting them. Do you expect this year to be different with the potential increase in mail ballots?

[acute]

I see it slightly differently, but still deeply troubling and unpredictable.

I think Trump will declare victory after the in-person voting results only, on the basis of "widespread fraud" with mail-in ballots. (which is nonsense)

Biden will rightly refuse to concede, and it all ends up in the Supreme Court, which will be dominated by Republicans by the time of Amy Barrett's confirmation.

Game, set, match, Trump.

[+Desertrat56]

Just now, Kittens Are Jerks said:

I read an article recently regarding some of the issues with mail in ballots and the two takeaways were (1) voting by mail has a marginal affect on turnout and is of no significant advantage (for either party) and, (2) mail in ballots are more likely to be rejected (for various reasons, including those you've mentioned) than in-person ballots. It's a problem in this particular election year, especially given the issues with in-person voting during a pandemic. But what's happened in prior years with mail in ballots? I can't recall a need to spend weeks or months counting them. Do you expect this year to be different with the potential increase in mail ballots?

Every county should  have a computer and scanner by  now!!! it is 2020, the mail in ballots are not counted by hand!

[+OverSword]

This thread is ridiculous.  Should be in the conspiracy section.  "Trump won't leave, he'll call on his rabid followers to kill and maim and burn down the nation"  What complete horse****.  This is a joke.

[Kittens Are Jerks]

2 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Every county should  have a computer and scanner by  now!!! it is 2020, the mail in ballots are not counted by hand!

I was just researching voting equipment used across the various states:

https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_methods_and_equipment_by_state

[the13bats]

14 minutes ago, aztek said:

they may not be allowed to vote in person,  election officials may have a check next to your name, that mail in ballot was sent, and people have to use that instead of voting in person.  i can totally see dems do that. 

i already do not see the future election as legit, it is being rigged already

I thought i read on fox that trump was gonna have hired goons at voting locations to help ( intimidate ) in person voters.

[+OverSword]

2 minutes ago, the13bats said:

I thought i read on fox that trump was gonna have hired goons at voting locations to help ( intimidate ) in person voters.

I seem to remember that happening.  Who was running that year?

[the13bats]

2 minutes ago, OverSword said:

This thread is ridiculous.  Should be in the conspiracy section.  "Trump won't leave, he'll call on his rabid followers to kill and maim and burn down the nation"  What complete horse****.  This is a joke.

Are you in denial? You dont see trump worshippers on here saying they will support and do what it takes to keep trump potus.