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Has the US reached herd immunnity

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susieice
 
stereologist
42 minutes ago, susieice said:

It was never a cure or anything better than a support. At best it has been shown to reduce hospitalization time.

Is it a treatment? Never seen that claim. Does it reduce the time people are in the hospital? It might.

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Doug1029
On 10/14/2020 at 12:34 AM, susieice said:

While that is possible, it is also rare.

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I think the US has a long way to go to reach herd immunity, if that is even possible.  Antibody count falls to zero about four months after infection.  That means a person can get it again, though that is rare as of now.  But that would also mean that herd immunity is impossible.

A vaccine that uses a different radical from natural covid may be permanent.  If such a vaccine could be developed, herd immunity could be achieved through vaccination.  But as of now, such a vaccine does not exist and there is no guarantee that it ever will be.

We have been looking for a vaccine for AIDS for 38 years.

Even if herd immunity works, it will take four or five years to reach it.

 

The Trump administration has acted extremely irresponsibly in using a strategy dependent on a vaccine that doesn't exist and may never exist.  Trump could be charged with 217,000 counts of involuntary manslaughter.

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Desertrat56

We have never reached a "herd immunity" to influenza or the common cold so why would anyone think there is such a thing for a new corona/sars virus?

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susieice

The news is reporting that a volunteer in AstraZeneca vaccine clinical trial has died. Very little information is being released other than it was a man in his 20's from Rio de Janerio. A lot of speculation.

https://www.fox29.com/news/volunteer-in-astrazeneca-coronavirus-clinical-trial-dies-report-says?fbclid=IwAR2iqoVpUgHx9VGCpwHy0dw1oLXkqLSrIYRRmdsBnYeaxseqi7ySOMJ7tbA

https://nypost.com/2020/10/21/volunteer-in-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-trial-dies-in-brazil/

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the13bats
On 10/16/2020 at 11:33 PM, susieice said:

Isnt that the wonder cure made from work with fetal cells that got trump over covid quicker than a brat gets over sniffles?

 

On 10/17/2020 at 12:18 AM, stereologist said:

It was never a cure or anything better than a support. At best it has been shown to reduce hospitalization time.

Is it a treatment? Never seen that claim. Does it reduce the time people are in the hospital? It might.

It kicked it out of trump in no time.

 

On 10/18/2020 at 1:03 PM, Desertrat56 said:

We have never reached a "herd immunity" to influenza or the common cold so why would anyone think there is such a thing for a new corona/sars virus?

What i have mostly seen, just my observations mind you,  others views likely vary,

The same "group" who denounce masks saying they are completely worthless, and bray that people will die so be it we cant have the cure worse than the disease open everything up now etc and trump did a great job are basically the same group pushing herd immunity,

Think about it, they already made it clear they dont care who or how many die trump proved and keeps proving that so for them to push a  concept  like heard immunity make it sound ( to their lemmings ) like its a good idea to catch covid, saying you will likely get over it easy but if not oh well its better for the economy better for trumps politics, better for the country.

Im surprised trump worshippers dont line up to get deliberatly infected with covid.

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stereologist

Another article about the death of the person in the vaccine trial.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/939534?src=mkm_covid_update_201021_mscpedit_&uac=389284HY&impID=2632096&faf=1

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A report in the Brazilian newspaper O Globo, however, says the patient who died is a 28-year-old doctor, recently graduated, who worked on the front line combating COVID-19 in three hospitals in Rio de Janeiro. He reportedly died last Thursday due to complications from COVID-19. It is unknown whether the volunteer received the vaccine or placebo. 

 

 

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Nuclear Wessel
1 hour ago, stereologist said:

Another article about the death of the person in the vaccine trial.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/939534?src=mkm_covid_update_201021_mscpedit_&uac=389284HY&impID=2632096&faf=1

 

 

I can totally see the media omitting this tidbit: "It is unknown whether the volunteer received the vaccine or placebo."

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RoofGardener
39 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

I can totally see the media omitting this tidbit: "It is unknown whether the volunteer received the vaccine or placebo."

It was announced on R4 thismorning that he had the Placebo. Which is a shame. If he'd had   the vaccine, perhaps he wouldn't have died. 

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stereologist
51 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

I can totally see the media omitting this tidbit: "It is unknown whether the volunteer received the vaccine or placebo."

Why screw up a perfectly good story with the facts of the case?

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stereologist
11 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

It was announced on R4 thismorning that he had the Placebo. Which is a shame. If he'd had   the vaccine, perhaps he wouldn't have died. 

But the point of an RCT is being able to know if a vaccine works. Maybe it doesn't work and it would not have mattered which he had taken.

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RoofGardener
2 minutes ago, stereologist said:

But the point of an RCT is being able to know if a vaccine works. Maybe it doesn't work and it would not have mattered which he had taken.

Perhaps. So his death has no bearing upon the trial results. 

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Desertrat56
1 hour ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

I can totally see the media omitting this tidbit: "It is unknown whether the volunteer received the vaccine or placebo."

That is a given in those kinds of trials.  The thing is, the researchers know who is in the placebo list and could have given that information.  Since it was omitted by the researchers I suspect it was the vaccine, even though it is possible that was not the cause of death.

The same things happened with the Shingles vaccine.  My mother's friend and her husband volunteered for that trial and he got the placebo and was fine.  She got the vaccine and was debilitated, is now blind in one eye and in a lot of pain.  Those results are only in the footnotes of the trial notes.

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stereologist
1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

Perhaps. So his death has no bearing upon the trial results. 

Events such as this do have a scientific bearing on the trial results. As a part of the control group this person shows that people in the control group are being exposed to COVID-19. The question will be whether or not the subjects receiving the vaccine experience any resistance to COVID-19. The other question is whether or not there were more problems with the vaccine group over the placebo group. We just have to wait and see what happens when the results are published.

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