Trump and Melania have coronavirus

[simplybill]

5 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

Democrat politicians are giving tacit approval to the continuation of terrorist activities by BLM/Antifa.

 

5 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

but WHY NOW? 

This is Kamala Harris, Vice-Presidential candidate, talking about the protests. If the protests are ‘peaceful’, what is there to beware of? 

“That's right," Harris replied. "But they're not gonna stop. They're not gonna stop, and this is a movement, I'm telling you. They're not gonna stop, and everyone beware, because they're not gonna stop," she added. "They're not gonna stop before Election Day in November, and they're not gonna stop after Election Day."

That’s what I mean by tacit approval. 

[ChrLzs]

12 hours ago, simplybill said:

 

This is Kamala Harris, Vice-Presidential candidate, talking about the protests. If the protests are ‘peaceful’, what is there to beware of? 

“That's right," Harris replied. "But they're not gonna stop. They're not gonna stop, and this is a movement, I'm telling you. They're not gonna stop, and everyone beware, because they're not gonna stop," she added. "They're not gonna stop before Election Day in November, and they're not gonna stop after Election Day."

That’s what I mean by tacit approval. 

I won't bother checking the quote and context, but it seems to be simply stating facts.  People SHOULD peacefully protest what is wrong.

But that is NOT 'tacit approval' (look the dam words up and try to understand english) of anything but peaceful protest.  Peaceful protest is NOT terrorism, she does not 'tacitly approve of terrorism', and you are simply manufacturing an issue inside your tortured Facebooked, Twittered head...

[ChrLzs]

Mike Pence's chief of staff and several aides have now got Covid-19.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-26/us-vice-president-mike-pence-tests-negative-for-covid-19/12812450

Protect the country...?  They are too stupid to protect themselves.  A simple mask would have almost certainly prevented it.

Here's the US (do take notice of the scale....):

Here's Australia:

 

[simplybill]

43 minutes ago, ChrLzs said:

  Peaceful protest is NOT terrorism

If you think BLM/Antifa protests are peaceful, try wearing a red MAGA hat to a BLM/Antifa protest.

[ChrLzs]

20 minutes ago, simplybill said:

If you think BLM/Antifa protests are peaceful, try wearing a red MAGA hat to a BLM/Antifa protest.

???????????????????? Try READING and ADDRESSING what I pointed out above.  Here, lemme repeat it:

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... it seems to be simply stating facts.  People SHOULD peacefully protest what is wrong.

But that is NOT 'tacit approval' (look the dam words up and try to understand english) of anything but peaceful protest.  Peaceful protest is NOT terrorism, she does not 'tacitly approve of terrorism', and
you are simply manufacturing an issue inside your tortured Facebooked, Twittered head...

 

Anyway, I guess that 'discussions' like this one where people just make **** up and throw it at the fan, does give a portrayal of the average Trumpeter....

Edited October 26, 2020 by ChrLzs

[simplybill]

1 hour ago, ChrLzs said:

Try READING and ADDRESSING what I pointed out above. 

I just realized I’m commenting in the wrong topic. Sorry about that. Rather than derail your thread, I’ll give a short answer and let you have the last word.

 The BLM movement was founded by professed ‘trained Marxists’. Marxism, more often than not, rises to power through violent revolution. Kamala Harris openly supports the BLM movement. IMHO, her comment during the interview with Stephen Colbert (everyone beware), based on what we’ve seen so far, implies that some element of danger is to be expected in future protests.

Edited October 26, 2020 by simplybill

[ChrLzs]

So, 100,000 cases per day now, and rising.  That's 20% worse than it was at the previous peak.  Trump's leadership on this topic is now coming to full fruition and reaching unthinkable levels...

And according to Trump it's not because:

- you guys haven't got a nationwide strategy including co-ordinating hot spots, border closures and business closures

- you are encouraged to be 'free' and not wear masks

- you have completely inadequate contact tracing

- Trump and his team admit they are no longer trying to control it

No, none of those....  It's actually, according to Trump (depending on what day is...) because the whole thing is faked, there is way too much testing, and doctors who get more money for reporting cases...  Funny, that - why aren't the Republican-voting doctors outing this behavior?  Are there no Republican-voting doctors left, perhaps?

I see Boris Johnston has now learned a lesson.  Maybe..

[bmk1245]

2 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

So, 100,000 cases per day now, and rising.  That's 20% worse than it was at the previous peak.  Trump's leadership on this topic is now coming to full fruition and reaching unthinkable levels...

And according to Trump it's not because:

- you guys haven't got a nationwide strategy including co-ordinating hot spots, border closures and business closures

- you are encouraged to be 'free' and not wear masks

- you have completely inadequate contact tracing

- Trump and his team admit they are no longer trying to control it

No, none of those....  It's actually, according to Trump (depending on what day is...) because the whole thing is faked, there is way too much testing, and doctors who get more money for reporting cases...  Funny, that - why aren't the Republican-voting doctors outing this behavior?  Are there no Republican-voting doctors left, perhaps?

I see Boris Johnston has now learned a lesson.  Maybe..

C'mon man, Sweden.

Beloved country by all socialists.

[ChrLzs]

9 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

C'mon man, Sweden.

Beloved country by all socialists.

Sweden's latest? - a new record of 3,396 new daily cases on 29 October.  That's about a 200% increase over the previous high.  Herd immunity works with some diseases, but not Covid, apparently.  Anyway, it was a worthwhile experiment, as long as the swedes didn't mind getting sick or dying for the scientific cause...

[psyche101]

7 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

Sweden's latest? - a new record of 3,396 new daily cases on 29 October.  That's about a 200% increase over the previous high.  Herd immunity works with some diseases, but not Covid, apparently.  Anyway, it was a worthwhile experiment, as long as the swedes didn't mind getting sick or dying for the scientific cause...

IMHO Anders Tegnell should be facing an international court right now  

 

Sweden’s Covid-19 strategist under fire over herd immunity emails

 

Sweden’s light-touch approach to Covid-19 has come under renewed criticism after emails show the country’s chief epidemiologist appearing to ask whether a higher death rate among older people might be acceptable if it led to faster herd immunity.

[Golden Duck]

18 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

C'mon man, Sweden.

Beloved country by all socialists.

When your mum tells you to clean your room when your already doing it, do you still spit the dummy?

[ChrLzs]

8 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

Herd immunity works with some diseases

It's also worth noting (as simpletons and morons like Trump don't seem to get this) that herd immunity has been very successful with the following diseases, and many more:

• Polio
• Tetanus
• Hepatitis
• Rubella
• Measles
• Whooping Cough
• etc, etc...

All of them have effective and safe vaccines/immunisations.

Now, hands up anyone with a brain who can spot the difference between them and Covid-19, currently?

[+Desertrat56]

9 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

It's also worth noting (as simpletons and morons like Trump don't seem to get this) that herd immunity has been very successful with the following diseases, and many more:

• Polio
• Tetanus
• Hepatitis
• Rubella
• Measles
• Whooping Cough
• etc, etc...

All of them have effective and safe vaccines/immunisations.

Now, hands up anyone with a brain who can spot the difference between them and Covid-19, currently?

Like the flu and "common cold" there is no herd immunity for Covid 19 or any other corona virus because they mutate constantly.  I suspect you were expecting someone to say "we don't have a vaccine yet."  That is only part of the difference.

[F3SS]

Is it possible we are recording record cases compared to the "first wave" because we are testing for it at a much higher rate?

[+Desertrat56]

42 minutes ago, F3SS said:

Is it possible we are recording record cases compared to the "first wave" because we are testing for it at a much higher rate?

Yes.

[Hankenhunter]

1 hour ago, F3SS said:

Is it possible we are recording record cases compared to the "first wave" because we are testing for it at a much higher rate?

I've heard this de-bunked spurious question, and statement so many times, I'm sick of it. Do you realize how oxymoronish it is? A genuine self defeating question. Along with, but, but, herd imunity. Testing more will show if your state is recovering, or losing ground. The fact that the numbers keep rising is indicative that you're not doing enough to combat it, and that more draconian measures are required till the curve is flattened. Lets face it, the world is in a holding pattern until effective vaccines are distributed. Covid 19 is here to stay, because no vaccine is effective if there is a large percentage of people who will refuse to  be inoculated. This percentage of people include libertarians, conservatives, and the deeply religious. Its kinda funny in a sad bizzarre way because they're only killing themselves. They're  denying themselves, and their families, and no one else. Stubbornly Darwinning themselves. These are facts. Do with them what you will.

Edited November 3, 2020 by Hankenhunter

[F3SS]

Hey Hank, take a hike. I won't read past your second ignorant sentence. Could care less if you're sick of it. Spaz.

[Horta]

On 10/26/2020 at 12:57 PM, simplybill said:

 

 The BLM movement was founded by professed ‘trained Marxists’.

The "trained" ones are the worst type for sure. Pure evil. Probably devil worshippers too. lol.

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Marxism, more often than not, rises to power through violent revolution. 

Radical and sudden political change in general happens through revolution, "more often than not". Even for "Republics". You are aware of how the US began? Heard of the French revolution? 

Though it's very unlikely that BLM is plotting a violent overthrow of government. It's more likely they are protesting the treatment of a certain minority.

The yardstick people seem to use for Marxism/Socialism (such as China, Soviets) were/are dictatorships that eventually practiced a form of state capitalism. All of which had little to do with Marx (who saw socialism as a necessary step towards a stateless and classless society). There are democracies that are among the most peaceful, functional and happiest societies in the world because they embrace certain elements of socialism.

In fairness, Einstein wasn't really a "trained" Marxist (probably not even a devil worshipper lol). A humanitarian and astute amateur sociologist though, and his thoughts are even more relevant today then when he wrote them down (1949).

 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Horta

[simplybill]

4 minutes ago, Horta said:

The yardstick people seem to use for Marxism/Socialism (such as China, Soviets) were/are dictatorships that eventually practiced a form of state capitalism.

The bolded words are the proof that Marxism is worthless. Karl Marx and his followers set out to destroy Capitalism, and yet they’re forced to once again embrace Capitalism after their Marxist ideology destroys their nations.
There are politicians here in North America (and in Europe) that openly espouse a Marxist organization, in spite of witnessing in real life how Marxist/Socialist/Communist ideology ruins everything it touches. It’s political insanity.

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

[simplybill]

3 hours ago, Horta said:

The yardstick people seem to use for Marxism/Socialism (such as China, Soviets) were/are dictatorships that eventually practiced a form of state capitalism.

Rather than using a yardstick, let’s look at the full measure:

China,  Vietnam,  North Korea,  Cuba, and  Laos are currently under totalitarian Communist/Marxist rule. That’s 18% of the world‘s population. China and Vietnam are slowly recovering from the destruction caused by Communism by allowing limited Capitalism (the economic ideology they vowed to destroy).

Throw in Russia and Cambodia for added measure: two countries ruined by Communist totalitarianism, that fortunately have come to their senses and rejected Communism.

I won’t reference the number of deaths attributed to Marxist ideology, as it’s already common knowledge, but the number is well over 100 million. And yet, politicians in Europe and North America are openly espousing a Marxist organization disguising itself as a civil rights organization.
 

 

Edited November 3, 2020 by simplybill

[bmk1245]

On 11/1/2020 at 10:37 PM, ChrLzs said:

Sweden's latest? - a new record of 3,396 new daily cases on 29 October.  That's about a 200% increase over the previous high.  Herd immunity works with some diseases, but not Covid, apparently.  Anyway, it was a worthwhile experiment, as long as the swedes didn't mind getting sick or dying for the scientific cause...

Thing is, Dems wouldn't be any better in dealing with Cov-19: see Pelosi and others in March, see Cuomo and others stuffing infected into nursing houses.

[Horta]

Just now, simplybill said:

The bolded words are the proof that Marxism is worthless. Karl Marx and his followers set out to destroy Capitalism, and yet they’re forced to once again embrace Capitalism after their Marxist ideology destroys their nations.

There are politicians here in North America (and in Europe) that openly espouse a Marxist organization, in spite of witnessing in real life how Marxist/Socialist/Communist ideology ruins everything it touches. It’s political insanity.

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

Lenin himself saw the Soviet Union as state capitalist before he kicked the bucket, so it's unlikely they were ever really Marxist, they certainly were never communist. The term "state capitalism" is something of a misnomer anyway, it's not really capitalism in the US sense of the word. It seems a highly regulated system all of its own, and China seems to be going ok economically. 

Then again we will never really know how the soviet experiment/Stalinist dictatorship (whatever you wish to call it) would have turned out if it was given a chance anyway. After being decimated and destitute from doing most of the fighting against the Nazis in WW2, the US led the west in an economic war against them for almost five decades. It's a wonder they lasted so long.

You seem to think that with a socialist politic there would be no trade or competitive economic markets, which is not so, there are some very successful corporations based on Marxist principles and have been for quite some time. They are run democratically. Though Marxism isn't a religion and generally what western Marxists/socialists see as desirable is a form of democratic socialism. Some go further and would like to see things like worker cooperatives (I certainly support that idea). Others simply wish for FDR type economics.

Those politicians might have noticed the democracies that embrace socialism and have often been considered something of a benchmark for healthy functional societies? Unlike the US that in most relevant sociological indicators resembles a developing 3rd world country. 

Corporate socialism is certainly ruining the US. Every time the economy falls over they resort to corporate socialist welfare so that the uber wealthy aren't put out. It seems that it's only socialism for the other 99% of people that "capitalism" rejects?

Most of the mythical capitalist innovation since WW2 has actually been government funded anyway (socialism), via the cold war/ space race and especially the military (smart phones, internet). Out of curiosity, who is funding this Covid vaccine research that Trump goes on about? Out of further curiosity what would you call a massive organisation (US military) that is funded by US tax payers and used by the rich to enforce economic policy on the rest of the world, if not a socialist organisation?

The sociopathic economic system of Reagan/Thatcher is at the root of the problems now facing the US because it has actually taken over its democracy. As the pandemic illustrates, it's a spectacular failure in a crisis (of which more are to follow) and will have to be replaced with a more regulatory form of economics anyway if we are to expect a habitable planet later this century. Much of the cost of this economic system has always been "externalised" to the community and governments who will now have to bear the brunt. As Attenborough says, to expect infinite growth on a finite plane you have to be either mad, or an economist. 

 

[Horta]

1 hour ago, simplybill said:

Rather than using a yardstick, let’s look at the full measure:

China,  Vietnam,  North Korea,  Cuba, and  Laos are currently under totalitarian Communist/Marxist rule. That’s 18% of the world‘s population. China and Vietnam are slowly recovering from the destruction caused by Communism by allowing limited Capitalism (the economic ideology they vowed to destroy).

Throw in Russia and Cambodia for added measure: two countries ruined by Communist totalitarianism, that fortunately have come to their senses and rejected Communism.

I won’t reference the number of deaths attributed to Marxist ideology, as it’s already common knowledge, but the number is well over 100 million. And yet, politicians in Europe and North America are openly espousing a Marxist organization disguising itself as a civil rights organization.
 

 

No nation has ever really been ruled by a communist regime despite what they call themselves, as a communist society is a stateless society. China has simply opened up and began trading with other countries (quite successfully). It has an economic system regulated and planned by the government, which is in many ways the direct opposite of western capitalism. It's called "state capitalism" for want of a better term but is a system of its own. It's likely some of the others you mention are trying to emulate their success.

You might not wish to mention the number if deaths attributed to capitalism by the US alone either, in it's effort to enforce it's faux capitalist economic system on the rest of world (which would be in the millions). By way of invasions, coups, civil wars, assassinations and so on.

Marxists often have humanitarian motivations.

[simplybill]

1 hour ago, Horta said:

Most of the mythical capitalist innovation since WW2 has actually been government funded anyway (socialism), via the cold war/ space race and especially the military (smart phones, internet).

I’m going by the accepted definition of Socialism:

“A theory or system of social organization that advocates the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, capital, land, etc., by the community as a whole, usually through a centralized government.“

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism

You’re comparing social programs to Socialist government. Beyond NASA, the government doesn’t own the means of production for the space race, as evidenced by Elon Musk and Richard Branson, both of which are independently producing space travel technology. It’s the same with smart phones and the Internet: the government may have funded the initial research, but the government doesn’t control the means of production.
 

1 hour ago, Horta said:

No nation has ever really been ruled by a communist regime despite what they call themselves, as a communist society is a stateless society.

The writings of Karl Marx were the template for modern-day Communism/Socialism. Communist countries have been forced to adapt in order to save themselves from total destruction. Loosening their grip on the means of production is one way to adapt. We can see that happening in real time in Venezuela:

“After decades of dominating its oil industry, the Venezuelan government is quietly surrendering control to foreign companies in a desperate bid to keep the economy afloat and hold on to power....But the nation’s authoritarian leader, Nicolás Maduro, in his struggle to retain his grip over a country in its seventh year of a crippling economic crisis, is giving up policies that once were central to its socialist-inspired revolution.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/08/world/americas/venezuela-oil-maduro.html

1 hour ago, Horta said:

You seem to think that with a socialist politic there would be no trade or competitive economic markets, which is not so, there are some very successful corporations based on Marxist principles and have been for quite some time. They are run democratically.

I think it’s great that workers can choose to work for a corporation that’s found a path to success. That’s what Freedom is all about.

Marxist governments, on the other hand, have taken ‘choice’ away from their citizens. It’s happened every time a Marxist government has been attempted.

Edited November 3, 2020 by simplybill

[ChrLzs]

3 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

Thing is, Dems wouldn't be any better

Hmm - you're a fortune teller?  Lots of other governments and countries have done a MUCH better job than Trump, and his carefully selected morons that have no relevant experience... How's things in Lithuania?  Hereabouts, no or very few cases in all states across Australia - things are returning to a cautious normal.

Your 'references' are not to those in power who can implement a nationwide plan, just handwaves about what you think will happen, and what state governors have tried to do without a shred of federal support.

Anyhoo, I suspect we'll find out how the Dem's apply a different approach after tomorrow....  We'll discuss later.

Edited November 3, 2020 by ChrLzs