stereologist Posted October 10, 2020 #1126 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 minute ago, ian hacktorp said: Given that the actual DEATHS from Sars-Cov2 appear to be less than the common flu (some say as little as 1/3), it may be FAR better to let it run its course without tyrannical government mandates and the widespread destruction of people's lives and businesses. That's just another bald faced lie. Deaths from COVID-19 are 6 to 20 times higher than the common flu. Already the US has seen 3 1/2 times as many deaths as the common flu causes in an ordinary year and the year is not over. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted October 10, 2020 #1127 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 minute ago, ian hacktorp said: Given that the actual DEATHS from Sars-Cov2 appear to be less than the common flu (some say as little as 1/3), it may be FAR better to let it run its course without tyrannical government mandates and the widespread destruction of people's lives and businesses. So far? So far there have been,some say, 1/3 as many deaths as from an annual Seasonal Flu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 10, 2020 #1128 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 minute ago, ian hacktorp said: Are you suggesting Washington inoculated troops with a live, attenuated-virus preparation? Or, was it just pus from a lesion? They received an innoculation. They were not exposed to infected people. It is very different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian hacktorp Posted October 10, 2020 #1129 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 minute ago, lightly said: So far? So far there have been,some say, 1/3 as many deaths as from an annual Seasonal Flu? Yes, when age and other co-morbidities are factored OUT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted October 10, 2020 #1130 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Just now, lightly said: So far? So far there have been,some say, 1/3 as many deaths as from an annual Seasonal Flu? Oop...I just noticed Stereologist's post ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 10, 2020 #1131 Share Posted October 10, 2020 We just expect some posters to purposely post lies. The CFR of the common flu is around 0.1%. The CFR of COVID-19 is around 2.8% but may go down. That makes it far deadlier than the common flu. The major outbreaks of COVID-19 have been in the areas first hit by the disease and afterward and now are all in places where the state government has avoided pushing the recommendations of the health experts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian hacktorp Posted October 10, 2020 #1132 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 minute ago, stereologist said: They received an innoculation. They were not exposed to infected people. It is very different. An inoculation consisting of WHAT? Taking pus from an infected person's lesion and putting it into another person's open incision is not exposing them to that infected person? Please expand on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 10, 2020 #1133 Share Posted October 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, lightly said: Oop...I just noticed Stereologist's post ^ Right. Some posters will lie about endlessly about the death certificates. They pretend that they are smarter than all of the doctors that have signed those death certificates. Their endless spewing of viral disinformation such as this shows they are as ignorant as dirt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted October 10, 2020 #1134 Share Posted October 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, ian hacktorp said: Are you suggesting Washington inoculated troops with a live, attenuated-virus preparation? Or, was it just pus from a lesion? According to what I was reading...puss from a smallpox sore was put on a piece of string...which was placed on a cut on the soldiers arm.....which infected him with a milder case than a more usual transmission. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 10, 2020 #1135 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 minute ago, ian hacktorp said: An inoculation consisting of WHAT? Taking pus from an infected person's lesion and putting it into another person's open incision is not exposing them to that infected person? Please expand on that. Are you a thick as you post? I believe you are. Clearly, the transfer of pus is a controlled distribution something that exposure to the sick is not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian hacktorp Posted October 10, 2020 #1136 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 minute ago, stereologist said: Clearly, the transfer of pus is a controlled distribution something that exposure to the sick is not. Ahh...you just can't explain how. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted October 10, 2020 #1137 Share Posted October 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, ian hacktorp said: An inoculation consisting of WHAT? virus Taking pus. <virus. from an infected person's lesion and putting it into another person's open incision is not exposing them to that infected person? Please expand on that. virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 10, 2020 #1138 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 minute ago, lightly said: According to what I was reading...puss from a smallpox sore was put on a piece of string...which was placed on a cut on the soldiers arm.....which infected him with a milder case than a more usual transmission. Absolutely. The goal was to reduce the viral exposure to a point where the immune system of the receiver could deal with the disease. Exposure to the sick is uncontrolled and led to a CFR of 35%. The innoculation had a CFR of 2%. This was discussed earlier in terms of viral load, viral exposure, and the benefits of masks. This was about cruise ships and masks and many people were asymptomatic because of their use of masks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 10, 2020 #1139 Share Posted October 10, 2020 The Chinese actually started this method of smallpox inoculation by blowing a dust of ground up smallpox scabs into a person's nose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 10, 2020 #1140 Share Posted October 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, ian hacktorp said: Ahh...you just can't explain how. Got it. Already explained it. You might try reading and learning instead of spreading your stupid lies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian hacktorp Posted October 10, 2020 #1141 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Just now, lightly said: virus. This method appears aimed at infecting a (soldier) with smallpox virus, but in a small enough dose to trigger an immune response...but not enough for viral "overload". This probably happened quite a bit with person-to-person contact, too. There were also likely some soldier deaths from the inoculations as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian hacktorp Posted October 10, 2020 #1142 Share Posted October 10, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, stereologist said: Already explained it. You might try reading and learning instead of spreading your stupid lies. Actually, you didn't. You just thought you did. Eta: still waiting... Edited October 10, 2020 by ian hacktorp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted October 10, 2020 #1143 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 minute ago, stereologist said: Absolutely. The goal was to reduce the viral exposure to a point where the immune system of the receiver could deal with the disease. Exposure to the sick is uncontrolled and led to a CFR of 35%. The innoculation had a CFR of 2%. This was discussed earlier in terms of viral load, viral exposure, and the benefits of masks. This was about cruise ships and masks and many people were asymptomatic because of their use of masks. Excellent. Yes ! Viral Dose. I guess, it's amount of virus taken in at the time of infection? I think "Viral Load" is actually the term for the amount of virus present in an infected person? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 10, 2020 #1144 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Small pox is a disease called variola. What Washington did was a technique that was called variolation, from the name of the disease. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variolation A controlled and limited transfer of the pathogen was used. The idea of variolaton has also been considered with COVID-19 since at least June. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 10, 2020 #1145 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 minute ago, ian hacktorp said: Actually, you didn't. You just thought you did. Eta: still waiting... You can read my explanation. Please turn your brain on and learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted October 10, 2020 #1146 Share Posted October 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, ian hacktorp said: This method appears aimed at infecting a (soldier) with smallpox virus, but in a small enough dose to trigger an immune response...but not enough for viral "overload". This probably happened quite a bit with person-to-person contact, too. There were also likely some soldier deaths from the inoculations as well. Yes ! The more controlled exposure somehow resulted in milder ...more predictable cases.. And, Yes ! With a much lower death rate... Still around 5 or 10 %. ...but much better . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 10, 2020 #1147 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 minute ago, lightly said: Excellent. Yes ! Viral Dose. I guess, it's amount of virus taken in at the time of infection? I think "Viral Load" is actually the term for the amount of virus present in an infected person? Right. It is the measure of virus within a person. If someone is exposed uncontrollably and possibly at many points across the body the disease such as COVID-19 can overwhelm the body's defenses. There does not appear to be a cure for a virus At best we gear up the immune system to be ready to defend against a virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian hacktorp Posted October 10, 2020 #1148 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Just now, stereologist said: You can read my explanation. Please turn your brain on and learn. I see your explanation now, and, as usual, you are playing silly semantical games. Claiming that Washington's "inoculation" is somehow not exposing someone to an infected person is your typical twaddle. It is PRECISELY that, under what are, hopefully, controlled conditions. Nice try. You lose again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 10, 2020 #1149 Share Posted October 10, 2020 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variolation Quote The success of their method lay in a shallow scratch, careful selection of only mildly affected donors, and no bleeding or extreme purging. This is all part of controlling the exposure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 10, 2020 #1150 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Just now, ian hacktorp said: I see your explanation now, and, as usual, you are playing silly semantical games. Claiming that Washington's "inoculation" is somehow not exposing someone to an infected person is your typical twaddle. It is PRECISELY that, under what are, hopefully, controlled conditions. Nice try. You lose again. I see you forgot to turn on your brain. That's okay. I always expect that from someone who does nothing but spew VD. I see you have no defense for your ignorant lie about the lethality of COVID-19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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