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Trump and Melania have coronavirus

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Manwon Lender
On 11/3/2020 at 12:28 AM, Desertrat56 said:

Like the flu and "common cold" there is no herd immunity for Covid 19 or any other corona virus because they mutate constantly.  I suspect you were expecting someone to say "we don't have a vaccine yet."  That is only part of the difference.

The biggest challenge to Herd Immunity is that 70% of the population would need to have been infected for it to take place. The US has a population around 350 million, so it is very easy to see we are no where near the point where Herd Immunity could take effect. Even with a Vaccine reaching Herd immunity may be impossible to reach, because the top Immunologists in the world can't  even say how long a Vaccine will be effective because it appears that the Antibodies produced are short lived. So it could taken two vaccines or more per year to give you a decent chance at Immunity. 

None of the current Vaccines being developed will give you 100% immunity, according Again to the immunologists who are saying that between 60 to 70 percent immunity is the best we can hope from a vaccine.

So the facts are simply COVID19 is here to stay, and the old normal may never return or it could take many years to return and this sad but very true.

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Desertrat56
16 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

The biggest challenge to Herd Immunity is that 70% of the population would need to have been infected for it to take place. The US has a population around 350 million, so it is very easy to see we are no where near the point where Herd Immunity could take effect. Even with a Vaccine reaching Herd immunity may be impossible to reach, because the top Immunologists in the world can't  even say how long a Vaccine will be effective because it appears that the Antibodies produced are short lived. So it could taken two vaccines or more per year to give you a decent chance at Immunity. 

None of the current Vaccines being developed will give you 100% immunity, according Again to the immunologists who are saying that between 60 to 70 percent immunity is the best we can hope from a vaccine.

So the facts are simply COVID19 is here to stay, and the old normal may never return or it could take many years to return and this sad but very true.

You just answered your own Herd Immunity challenge.  It doesn't matter if 70% or more of the population gets it because the antibodies do not stay in the system like they do (for most people) for chicken pox, measles, polio etc.  That is why we have a NEW flu vaccine Every Year.  Because we don't keep the flu or other corona virus antibodies in our system, AND those mutate very fast.   No vaccine provides 100% immunity.  

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Manwon Lender
1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

You just answered your own Herd Immunity challenge.  It doesn't matter if 70% or more of the population gets it because the antibodies do not stay in the system like they do (for most people) for chicken pox, measles, polio etc.  That is why we have a NEW flu vaccine Every Year.  Because we don't keep the flu or other corona virus antibodies in our system, AND those mutate very fast.   No vaccine provides 100% immunity.  

Here is some information you may be interested in concerning COVID19 Vaccines. There is much more information in the link below, this information is coming from one of the leading organizations on this and other Viruses worldwide. Your right Herd Immunity will never work because even with a Vaccine we will never reach 70%+ of the population with immunity to make it happen.

A first generation of COVID-19 vaccines is expected to gain approval as soon as the end of 2020 or early 2021. A popular assumption is that these vaccines will provide population immunity that can reduce transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) and lead to a resumption of pre-COVID-19 “normalcy”. Given an initial reproduction number of around 2·2, which has since been revised to as high as about 4, and taking into account overdispersion of infections, perhaps about 25–50% of the population would have to be immune to the virus to achieve suppression of community transmission. 
 
Multiple COVID-19 vaccines are currently in phase 3 trials with efficacy assessed as prevention of virologically confirmed disease. WHO recommends that successful vaccines should show disease risk reduction of at least 50%, with 95% CI that true vaccine efficacy exceeds 30%. However, the impact of these COVID-19 vaccines on infection and thus transmission is not being assessed. Even if vaccines were able to confer protection from disease, they might not reduce transmission similarly.
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third_eye

What dreadfully little that is actually what is known so far... 

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6 days ago — The rapid spread of the virus that causes COVID-19 ... We know that wearing masks can help prevent the spread of  ...
 
The COVID-19 pandemic has rocked communities around the world. Here, we answer questions about SARS-CoV-2 transmission, ...
 
23 Oct 2020 — What should I do if a patient thinks they have COVID-19? What can I do to protect myself and my staff? What about ' business ...
 
17 Aug 2020 — Here are some of the things we have learned about Covid-19, and some of the pressing questions that we still need ...

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bmk1245
4 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

Hmm - you're a fortune teller?  Lots of other governments and countries have done a MUCH better job than Trump, and his carefully selected morons that have no relevant experience... How's things in Lithuania?  Hereabouts, no or very few cases in all states across Australia - things are returning to a cautious normal.

Your 'references' are not to those in power who can implement a nationwide plan, just handwaves about what you think will happen, and what state governors have tried to do without a shred of federal support.

Anyhoo, I suspect we'll find out how the Dem's apply a different approach after tomorrow....  We'll discuss later.

Glad you asked: two months of very strict quarantine (mid March till mid May), then month of bit less strict measures (mid June), then bit lesser restrictions since mid June, and now we have waaay more cases per day. Add to that 0.3% GDP drop in first quarter, and 5.5% drop in second quarter, plus unemployment (adjusted to seasonal variations) steadily rose from 6.6% in March to 9.8% in September.

So, should we'd stayed closed until complete economy collapse and unemployment of 20% or higher?

And yeah, by first (and consequential) steps you can extrapolate outcome...

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ChrLzs
1 hour ago, bmk1245 said:

Glad you asked: two months of very strict quarantine (mid March till mid May), then month of bit less strict measures (mid June), then bit lesser restrictions since mid June, and now we have waaay more cases per day. Add to that 0.3% GDP drop in first quarter, and 5.5% drop in second quarter, plus unemployment (adjusted to seasonal variations) steadily rose from 6.6% in March to 9.8% in September.

Sorry to hear that.

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So, should we'd stayed closed until complete economy collapse and unemployment of 20% or higher?

Would you like me to open my mouth wider so you can stuff more words in there, and then argue with them?  I simply asked how you were going, so take your attitude and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

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And yeah, by first (and consequential) steps you can extrapolate outcome...

It's actually very complex and different countries have different issues that need to be understood and dealt with. That's the sort of stuff I'd expect a good government to do (and have been planning for).

 

That's what we did in Australia.  Bye.

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aztek

the title is outdated, they recovered, and do not have it anymore,  so the title should say HAD

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ChrLzs
6 hours ago, aztek said:

the title is outdated, they recovered, and do not have it anymore,  so the title should say HAD

Wow - that's sheer genius.  No one could actually just read the thread for themselves.

Just because *you* can't work things out, doesn't mean that the rest of the world can't.

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the13bats

And trumps incompatance and carelessness just keeps on infecting people, he proves he just does care,

https://www.businessinsider.com/130-secret-service-officers-have-covid-19-or-quarantining-2020-11

And after hinding over a week due to his epic election loss and empty claims of voter fraud trump crawls out of his safe space of meltdown and sour defeat to make a forced covid announcement.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-gets-vaccine-update-after-criticism-he-s-ignored-pandemic-following-defeat/ar-BB1aZC0N

Needless to say it was full of untruths, undeserved self praise and typical trump go to of blaiming and insulting others esoecialky ones who make him look like the incompetent bumbling buffoonthst he is.

Lets hope all those secret service members that trumps huge fragile ego and gross carelessness placed in harms way have a fully and speedy recovery.

 

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the13bats

And,

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/11/13/politics/cuomo-trump-vaccine-new-york-bully-cnntv/index.html

 

Just no limits how low trump will go due to his huge fragile ego, if he kills people in N.Y. he doesnt mind, N.Y. cant stand him anymore anyway,

Biden slaughtered deranged don in N.Y.

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Michelle

Cuomo worried about 'flawed' vaccine plan before Biden takes office

Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo on Sunday said he worried it would be hard for a Biden administration to "turn it back" if the Trump administration "rolls out a flawed" coronavirus vaccination plan.

Cuomo, speaking on ABC's "This Week" on Sunday morning, said "the vaccination plan is a huge undertaking; 330 million people have to be vaccinated. This nation only did 120 million COVID tests in seven months. If this administration rolls out a flawed vaccination plan, it's going to be a problem because it's going to be very hard for the Biden administration to turn it back."

https://www.newsday.com/news/health/coronavirus/cuomo-vaccination-plan-coronavirus-1.50060416

 

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the13bats
2 hours ago, Michelle said:

Cuomo worried about 'flawed' vaccine plan before Biden takes office

Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo on Sunday said he worried it would be hard for a Biden administration to "turn it back" if the Trump administration "rolls out a flawed" coronavirus vaccination plan.

Cuomo, speaking on ABC's "This Week" on Sunday morning, said "the vaccination plan is a huge undertaking; 330 million people have to be vaccinated. This nation only did 120 million COVID tests in seven months. If this administration rolls out a flawed vaccination plan, it's going to be a problem because it's going to be very hard for the Biden administration to turn it back."

https://www.newsday.com/news/health/coronavirus/cuomo-vaccination-plan-coronavirus-1.50060416

 

Everyone knows trumps life costing incompetent covid response was a disaster.

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Tatetopa
5 hours ago, the13bats said:

Needless to say it was full of untruths, undeserved self praise and typical trump go to of blaiming and insulting others esoecialky ones who make him look like the incompetent bumbling buffoonthst he is.

I was surprised at his contradiction of Pfizer.  They were very clear when Pence made the announcement that,  "No, they were not part of Project Warp Speed." Now Trump is coming back saying they are wrong.  It would be hard for a major corporation not to know they were at the cutting edge of  a such an important project.  

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President-Elect Acidhead
Just now, Tatetopa said:

I was surprised at his contradiction of Pfizer.  They were very clear when Pence made the announcement that,  "No, they were not part of Project Warp Speed." Now Trump is coming back saying they are wrong.  It would be hard for a major corporation not to know they were at the cutting edge of  a such an important project.  

Trump gave them almost 2 billion $

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Tatetopa
3 minutes ago, President-Elect Acidhead said:

Trump gave them almost 2 billion $

No Mr. President-Elect, we the US tax payers will give them almost 2 billion when they deliver contractually required doses of the vaccine.  Trump has given them nothing yet.  Unlike .Astra-Zeneca and Moderna, they did not accept federal funding for development.  They own their formula and because they did not accept federal money for R&D, they can likely sell it to anybody and everybody they want.  Probably foreign countries and even Cuomo in New York.

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President-Elect Acidhead
1 minute ago, Tatetopa said:

No Mr. President-Elect, we the US tax payers will give them almost 2 billion when they deliver contractually required doses of the vaccine.  Trump has given them nothing yet.  Unlike .Astra-Zeneca and Moderna, they did not accept federal funding for development.  They own their formula and because they did not accept federal money for R&D, they can likely sell it to anybody and everybody they want.  Probably foreign countries and even Cuomo in New York.

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You are your own leader

Embrace your world.  

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Tatetopa
Just now, President-Elect Acidhead said:

You are your own leader

Embrace your world.  

Thanks, but I was wrong.   Pfizer says that since they have agreed to supply 100 million doses, they are part of Warp Speed.  That is the latest I heard.  I guess the fine print got straightened out.

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toast
2 hours ago, President-Elect Acidhead said:

Trump gave them almost 2 billion $

^^False.

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Wednesday, July 22, 2020 - 07:10am

NEW YORK & MAINZ, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX)

today announced the execution of an agreement with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense to meet the U.S. government’s Operation Warp Speed program goal to begin delivering 300 million doses of a vaccine for COVID-19 in 2021. Under the agreement, the U.S. government will receive 100 million doses of BNT162, the COVID-19 vaccine candidate jointly developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, after Pfizer successfully manufactures and obtains approval or emergency use authorization from U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

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The U.S. government will pay the companies $1.95 billion upon the receipt of the first 100 million doses, following FDA authorization or approval. The U.S. government also can acquire up to an additional 500 million doses.

(...)

pfizer.com

 

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Sir Wearer of Hats
3 hours ago, President-Elect Acidhead said:

:D

You are your own leader

Embrace your world.  

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