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Rain could limit the effectiveness of face masks in preventing the spread of COVID-19, the World Health Organization (WHO) and Public Health England have warned.

They said all face masks that get wet or damp need to be replaced immediately in order to maintain their effectiveness.

Prof. Karol Sikora, a former WHO cancer program chief, told The Times: “Moisture makes masks porous, and because of this all types of mask are essentially vulnerable in damp weather.”

Full monty at Arab News: Link

And at Huff Post: Link

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TigerBright19
20 minutes ago, Eldorado said:

"Moisture makes masks porous"

Human breath can easily make the mask moist on the inside.  Wear a mask and say - "Peter Piper picked a packet of pink party poppers."

 

Professor William Keevil - "There are many loose fitting surgical facemasks on sale made of poor quality materials which wet easily from breath moisture and provide inadequate filtration.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-new-who-advice-on-use-of-facemasks-in-the-context-of-covid-19/

 

 

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wearing a mask is doing nothing. covid is that small that if you lined up each individual covid capsid particle next to each other it would take 8,000 to measure just 1mm.

its becoming clear Covid as weakened. look at the numbers, nothing the govt is doing is having the slightest impact.

Its time end this nonsense.

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Posted (edited)
20 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

 

Its time end this nonsense.

 

Boris Johnson promises to end social distancing ‘within a year’

Heart Radio UK: Link

Covid deaths in England and Wales rise for third week in a row

Wales Online: Link

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9 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

wearing a mask is doing nothing. covid is that small that if you lined up each individual covid capsid particle next to each other it would take 8,000 to measure just 1mm.

its becoming clear Covid as weakened. look at the numbers, nothing the govt is doing is having the slightest impact.

Its time end this nonsense.

 

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Singing Without a Face Mask Can Spread COVID-19

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200923/singing-without-a-face-mask-can-spread-covid-19

If you sing indoors without a face mask, you run the risk of spreading COVID-19 through tiny airborne particles known as aerosols.That's the conclusion researchers reached after studying a choir practice.

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ian hacktorp

I've been saying for months that this is all about financial system crash and reset.  It is time to pull our heads out of our collective asses and and see the truth of this situation and the fraud that has been foisted upon the people of the world:

"There is no medical pandemic..."

 

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2 minutes ago, Saru said:

If there's no medical pandemic, then what, in your view, happened to the 1 million+ people who have died of coronavirus ?

Everyone knows those statistics are inaccurate, inflated, and constantly being revised downward.  They just don't stand up to objective scrutiny and even the CDC here in the US has been forced to admit that.  These inflated numbers are false and mostly fear-propaganda.

10 minutes ago, Saru said:

A fraud foisted upon the people of the world by who, specifically ?

I attached a video clip of Dr. Schoning speaking in the UK...did you watch it?  He indicates who, specifically, is behind this.

It's a financial system collapse...the largest in human history.  We are witnessing a 'deleveraging event' as world-wide credit collapses.  That is why long-time money-losers like airlines, movie theaters, retail chains, and other old line businesses are going bankrupt in droves.  City and state municipalities are on the brink.

This was forecast many years ago and hinted at in the pages of The Economist.

Historically, banking collapses are met with wars and default.  This time, no wars have been launched (yet)...and that is good.  The chaos we are seeing, however, is largely a smokescreen to prevent the world from seeing the bankrupt status of the old-world money system...and a desperate attempt to keep hold on the reigns of control over the people of the world.

We are going through the birthing pains of a new age, and the previous age is still a dangerous, dying beast.

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The nation of Israel is on a second lockdown because of the massive surge in cases. Berlin and Paris experiencing same second wave.  Wisconsin showing massive uptick in cases and deaths.  NYC had to close schools after being opened only a few days..Because some arrogant irresponsible groups refuse to wear masks in public.

Those who don't wear masks are a menace to the public and civilization.

Stop being a ******g menace.  And don't be so ******g gullible, I don't care what politician or preacher is trying to get you to defy common sense.

Sheesh.   :angry:

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^^ A great example of how fake statistics are used to drive spikes of fear and, even worse, induce people to turn on each other for the blame.

It is a particularly nasty and insidious form of social control, as it disintegrates society's natural tendency toward cohesiveness.

Don't be like that guy.

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34 minutes ago, Saru said:

So if the real figure is, for example, 800,000 deaths, or 700,000 deaths - then that's not a medical pandemic ?

If the real figure is 300,000 deaths, or 400,000 deaths, and the vast majority of those are of an advanced age and have other maladies...is THAT a medical pandemic?

Probably not.  Most recent critical opinions suggest this virus is no more lethal than the common flu...and likely less so.  Does it even exist?  Yes, it seems so.  But the rationale for shutting down the world does not exist.  So why did they do it?  Why are we watching all of this 'wealth destruction'?

The virus was a pretext for the engineered collapse that followed.

34 minutes ago, Saru said:

Ok, so which banks in which countries ? How have they compelled every world leader and politician on Earth to play along ?

This is a pretty deep question that one should delve into when they have plenty of time to do so.

Suffice to say, that ALL of the western countries' banking firms are tied to each other and exist under the umbrella of BIS and their private owners.  Many other countries, such as those in Asia, also are dependent on the western financial system for their own stability.  When the ultimate sources of "credit" at the very top of the world financial system (very old, even ancient sources) begin to wobble, the entire world shudders.

How many world leaders and politicians do you think are NOT (ultimately) compelled by the owners (sources) of world-wide banking credit?  I would suggest precisely zero.

The inflection point we are at will either send the people of the world more deeply under the boot-heel of the corrupt, old-money elite...or it will signal the breaking-free into a new system that has a good chance of being much fairer and less pyramid-shaped.

Scary and exciting...wouldn't you say?

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1 hour ago, jethrofloyd said:

Singing Without a Face Mask Can Spread COVID-19

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200923/singing-without-a-face-mask-can-spread-covid-19

If you sing indoors without a face mask, you run the risk of spreading COVID-19 through tiny airborne particles known as aerosols.That's the conclusion researchers reached after studying a choir practice.

I wonder,   would it spread virus if they they sang   "four more years" !    "four more years" !    ?

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49 minutes ago, The Wistman said:

The nation of Israel is on a second lockdown because of the massive surge in cases. Berlin and Paris experiencing same second wave.  Wisconsin showing massive uptick in cases and deaths.  NYC had to close schools after being opened only a few days..Because some arrogant irresponsible groups refuse to wear masks in public.

Those who don't wear masks are a menace to the public and civilization.

Stop being a ******g menace.  And don't be so ******g gullible, I don't care what politician or preacher is trying to get you to defy common sense.

Sheesh.   :angry:

Its coming up to the winter flu season, every year we face influenza, no one wears a mask to stop the spread, and yet its more deadly, why is that? influenza kills and killed thousands more than Covid, Its clear from your response you've be got at, the fear is so that you are openly labelling people a menace, and using swear words to emphasise a frustration and in doing so turning against your fellow citizen for no other reason than you've been told to by printed opinion.

covid the great killer of our age, so dangerous if you test positive you're told to go home and isolate for 14 days. 

7.8Billion world population. Covid has killed 0.013% of the world population.

closer to home.

65Million UK population. Covid has killed 0.07% of the UK population.

Influenza/pneumonia is killing 6 times more people in the UK than Covid. 

we need to keep perspective.

our greatest weapon, our immunity, wash hands with soap, no need for a fancy hand sanitiser, (but the fancy stuff now sold by the billions of bottles) stay 2 meters apart. (no need for a mask), 99% of the masks people are wearing anyway are not even within the specific criteria to be effective at stopping a virus. The only mask that works are the ones which totally seal your face. how many people who wear glasses complain about wearing a mask and their glasses steaming up. its clear vapour is escaping.

Its becoming very silly now.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

we need to keep perspective.

our greatest weapon, our immunity, wash hands with soap, no need for a fancy hand sanitiser, (but the fancy stuff now sold by the billions of bottles) stay 2 meters apart. (no need for a mask), 99% of the masks people are wearing anyway are not even within the specific criteria to be effective at stopping a virus. The only mask that works are the ones which totally seal your face. how many people who wear glasses complain about wearing a mask and their glasses steaming up. its clear vapour is escaping.

Its becoming very silly now.

 

 

I can predict that in 10 years time the public will challenge the historians about how many people really died from Covid in 2020, and of course anyone who tries to revise down the numbers will be accused of 'revisionist history' much like every major event in the past that is not allowed to be looked into and revised down to a more sensible realistic number.

 

 

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46 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Its coming up to the winter flu season, every year we face influenza, no one wears a mask to stop the spread, and yet its more deadly, why is that? influenza kills and killed thousands more than Covid, Its clear from your response you've be got at, the fear is so that you are openly labelling people a menace, and using swear words to emphasise a frustration and in doing so turning against your fellow citizen for no other reason than you've been told to by printed opinion.

covid the great killer of our age, so dangerous if you test positive you're told to go home and isolate for 14 days. 

7.8Billion world population. Covid has killed 0.013% of the world population.

closer to home.

65Million UK population. Covid has killed 0.07% of the UK population.

Influenza/pneumonia is killing 6 times more people in the UK than Covid. 

we need to keep perspective.

our greatest weapon, our immunity, wash hands with soap, no need for a fancy hand sanitiser, (but the fancy stuff now sold by the billions of bottles) stay 2 meters apart. (no need for a mask), 99% of the masks people are wearing anyway are not even within the specific criteria to be effective at stopping a virus. The only mask that works are the ones which totally seal your face. how many people who wear glasses complain about wearing a mask and their glasses steaming up. its clear vapour is escaping.

Its becoming very silly now.

 

 

 We have a vaccine for the common flu. That makes the difference. And usually a doctor will have a patient wear a mask if that patient has the flu and needs to go out in the public, so as not to spread the flu to others who may have not gotten a vaccine. Like illogical Anti-vaxers.

Masks help inhibit the spread of the virus. Yes they're not perfect, but neither is an umbrella or rain coat. You can still get wet, but not a lot. So better to try, than not try at all and suffer worse consequences.

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Saru
2 hours ago, ian hacktorp said:

If the real figure is 300,000 deaths, or 400,000 deaths, and the vast majority of those are of an advanced age and have other maladies...is THAT a medical pandemic?

The definition of a pandemic is:

"an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people"

So yes, what you describe would constitute a 'pandemic', however I don't know where you are getting those figures from. 

It's also a common fallacy to claim that because the elderly or those with underlying health conditions make up the majority of victims, that this somehow means that the virus shouldn't be taken seriously or that it isn't a true pandemic.

(Not to mention the impact of the virus on the long-term health of some of the previously healthy individuals who have caught it.)

2 hours ago, ian hacktorp said:

Most recent critical opinions suggest this virus is no more lethal than the common flu...and likely less so.

Who is saying that ? (Credible) sources please.

2 hours ago, ian hacktorp said:

Scary and exciting...wouldn't you say?

Scary certainly, but not in the way you are implying.

The trouble is that this scenario requires absolutely no evidence whatsoever - it's just being grabbed out of thin air based on nothing but conjecture and hearsay; a story with no credible basis in fact and which anyone at all can subscribe to without having to actually think anything through.

Normally it wouldn't matter, but these are the types of conspiracies that are driving people to flaunt lockdown restrictions and spread the virus to others because they either think it isn't real or that it isn't a serious matter. 

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3 hours ago, stevewinn said:

wearing a mask is doing nothing. covid is that small that if you lined up each individual covid capsid particle next to each other it would take 8,000 to measure just 1mm.

its becoming clear Covid as weakened. look at the numbers, nothing the govt is doing is having the slightest impact.

Its time end this nonsense.

COVID-19 caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus does not travel from person to person as a free particle. The virus is embedded in water and that is what is transferred from person to person.

So this claim is of no interest: "it would take 8,000 to measure just 1mm" That is not of interest because the size of the virus is not of interest when it comes to transmission.

There is no evidence for this: "its becoming clear Covid as weakened". What has happened is that the medical community has learned how to deal better with cases of COVID-19.

This is false: "nothing the govt is doing is having the slightest impact" The numbers show us that is false.

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2 hours ago, ian hacktorp said:

Everyone knows those statistics are inaccurate, inflated, and constantly being revised downward.  They just don't stand up to objective scrutiny and even the CDC here in the US has been forced to admit that.  These inflated numbers are false and mostly fear-propaganda.

I attached a video clip of Dr. Schoning speaking in the UK...did you watch it?  He indicates who, specifically, is behind this.

It's a financial system collapse...the largest in human history.  We are witnessing a 'deleveraging event' as world-wide credit collapses.  That is why long-time money-losers like airlines, movie theaters, retail chains, and other old line businesses are going bankrupt in droves.  City and state municipalities are on the brink.

This was forecast many years ago and hinted at in the pages of The Economist.

Historically, banking collapses are met with wars and default.  This time, no wars have been launched (yet)...and that is good.  The chaos we are seeing, however, is largely a smokescreen to prevent the world from seeing the bankrupt status of the old-world money system...and a desperate attempt to keep hold on the reigns of control over the people of the world.

We are going through the birthing pains of a new age, and the previous age is still a dangerous, dying beast.

That's false. The CDC states that the numbers are conservative and there are more deaths due to COVID-19 than reported.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-antibody-tests-show-virus-rates-10-times-higher-reported-n1234480

Those pushing viral disinformation claim there is fear mongering. That is just another sad ruse attempting to deal with the reality of the situation.

And here is another rather bad lie: "It's a financial system collapse...the largest in human history. " That's just a really, really bad lie.

Here is another obvious lie: "We are witnessing a 'deleveraging event' as world-wide credit collapses. "

You are welcome to try and support these inanities. Go ahead, but just spouting your opinion carries no weight especially when it is blended in with such clear falsehoods.

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Daily Number of cases in the UK rolling 7 day

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Daily Number of Deaths 7 day rolling.

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Apparent second wave, but not to worry Govt measures are saving us and the health service have a potion that saves people unlike what seen at the height of the outbreak in April. So March / April full shut down and look at those deaths. Now 6 months months later and NO lockdown, everyone back to work, shops restaurants pubs open etc...and deaths not following the first wave. who thought it, 6 rule and wearing masks would be so effective.

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2 hours ago, ian hacktorp said:

If the real figure is 300,000 deaths, or 400,000 deaths, and the vast majority of those are of an advanced age and have other maladies...is THAT a medical pandemic?

Probably not.  Most recent critical opinions suggest this virus is no more lethal than the common flu...and likely less so.  Does it even exist?  Yes, it seems so.  But the rationale for shutting down the world does not exist.  So why did they do it?  Why are we watching all of this 'wealth destruction'?

The virus was a pretext for the engineered collapse that followed.

This is a pretty deep question that one should delve into when they have plenty of time to do so.

Suffice to say, that ALL of the western countries' banking firms are tied to each other and exist under the umbrella of BIS and their private owners.  Many other countries, such as those in Asia, also are dependent on the western financial system for their own stability.  When the ultimate sources of "credit" at the very top of the world financial system (very old, even ancient sources) begin to wobble, the entire world shudders.

How many world leaders and politicians do you think are NOT (ultimately) compelled by the owners (sources) of world-wide banking credit?  I would suggest precisely zero.

The inflection point we are at will either send the people of the world more deeply under the boot-heel of the corrupt, old-money elite...or it will signal the breaking-free into a new system that has a good chance of being much fairer and less pyramid-shaped.

Scary and exciting...wouldn't you say?

The real figure is over 1 million dead. The figure represents deaths from 35 million cases. The population of the world is 7.8 billion. That leaves 7.8 billion people still left to infect.

Using simple math that means (1 million) times (7.8 billion) divided by (35 million) means 223 million more people will die. 

That's a lot of dead. That's roughly 3 WWIIs. This virus can kill 3 times as many people as died in WWII.

 

And some people just worry about their wallets.

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1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

Its coming up to the winter flu season, every year we face influenza, no one wears a mask to stop the spread, and yet its more deadly, why is that? influenza kills and killed thousands more than Covid, Its clear from your response you've be got at, the fear is so that you are openly labelling people a menace, and using swear words to emphasise a frustration and in doing so turning against your fellow citizen for no other reason than you've been told to by printed opinion.

covid the great killer of our age, so dangerous if you test positive you're told to go home and isolate for 14 days. 

7.8Billion world population. Covid has killed 0.013% of the world population.

closer to home.

65Million UK population. Covid has killed 0.07% of the UK population.

Influenza/pneumonia is killing 6 times more people in the UK than Covid. 

we need to keep perspective.

our greatest weapon, our immunity, wash hands with soap, no need for a fancy hand sanitiser, (but the fancy stuff now sold by the billions of bottles) stay 2 meters apart. (no need for a mask), 99% of the masks people are wearing anyway are not even within the specific criteria to be effective at stopping a virus. The only mask that works are the ones which totally seal your face. how many people who wear glasses complain about wearing a mask and their glasses steaming up. its clear vapour is escaping.

Its becoming very silly now.

 

 

Total rubbish. The common flu is not as deadly as COVID-19. Last year the common flu killed 37,494 people. So far this year COVID-19 has killed 42,535 people in the UK.  The year is not over. 

There this is a lie: "Influenza/pneumonia is killing 6 times more people in the UK than Covid. " That is a bald faced lie.

Then you use the crude mortality rate to create some fake position about the current pandemic. The crude mortality rate is of little use as the pandemic is happening. The correct measure during an ongoing pandemic is the CFR.

 

Masks do work. This is just more nonsense: "The only mask that works are the ones which totally seal your face. " That's just another use of the Nirvana fallacy. Masks do work to reduce the spread of COVID-19. 

The silliness is all yours with your false statements and illogical constructs.

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1 hour ago, TigerBright19 said:

I can predict that in 10 years time the public will challenge the historians about how many people really died from Covid in 2020, and of course anyone who tries to revise down the numbers will be accused of 'revisionist history' much like every major event in the past that is not allowed to be looked into and revised down to a more sensible realistic number.

 

 

False. It won't be historians. It will be epidemiologists and of course they always go over the results to determine what happened to be able to make better decisions in the future.

But, the data suggests that the numbers will be increased. This is a novel disease and there is strong evidence suggesting that the numbers are under reported.

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12 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Daily Number of cases in the UK rolling 7 day

 

Daily Number of Deaths 7 day rolling.

 

 

Apparent second wave, but not to worry Govt measures are saving us and the health service have a potion that saves people unlike what seen at the height of the outbreak in April. So March / April full shut down and look at those deaths. Now 6 months months later and NO lockdown, everyone back to work, shops restaurants pubs open etc...and deaths not following the first wave. who thought it, 6 rule and wearing masks would be so effective.

The number of deaths is down because of advances in handling cases of COVID-19. This is a novel disease and how to provide care took a while to figure out. Thousands of experiments were performed across the globe trying to find some means of helping the sick.

What is troubling though is that at a minimum 10% of people including the asymptomatic express long term damage that might be permanent. This is lung damage, heart damage, kidney, intestine, liver, and possible nerve damage. This happens across all age groups.

Deaths is not the only outcome as so many people want to pretend.

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