WHO discourages lockdowns

[bmk1245]

WHO discourages lockdowns as U.S. hospitalizations continue climb; 11 states set records for new COVID-19 cases

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Dr. David Nabarro, the World Health Organization’s special envoy on COVID-19, urged world leaders this week to stop “using lockdowns as your primary control method" for blunting a virus surge.

“We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” Nabarro told "The Spectator." Nabarro said lockdowns can only be justified "to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted. But by and large, we’d rather not do it.”

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Hmmm, how it will go with some polititians...

[spartan max2]

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Dr. David Nabarro, the World Health Organization’s special envoy on COVID-19, urged world leaders this week to stop “using lockdowns as your primary control method" for blunting a virus surge.

“We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” Nabarro told "The Spectator." Nabarro said lockdowns can only be justified "to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted. But by and large, we’d rather not do it.”

As many of us have pointed out all along. Lockdowns just delay the inevitable. As we see with Germany spiking. 

Edited October 11, 2020 by spartan max2

[ian hacktorp]

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“Just look at what’s happened to the tourism industry, for example in the Caribbean or in the Pacific, because people aren’t taking their holidays. Look what’s happened to smallholder farmers all over the world because their markets have got dented. Look what’s happening to poverty levels. It seems that we may well have a doubling of world poverty by next year. Seems that we may well have at least a doubling of child malnutrition because children are not getting meals at school and their parents, in poor families, are not able to afford it,” Nabarro said.

“This is a terrible, ghastly global catastrophe actually,” he added. “And so we really do appeal to all world leaders: Stop using lockdown as your primary control method, develop better systems for doing it, work together and learn from each other, but remember - lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer."

 

41 minutes ago, bmk1245 said:

Hmmm, how it will go with some polititians...

 

[stereologist]

Lockdowns have worked in some places such as China which although the origin of the pandemic has been able to contain the disease.

 

[Duke Wellington]

3 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

As many of us have pointed out all along. Lockdowns just delay the inevitable. As we see with Germany spiking. 

Yes, we can get all the dying done in a few months or spread it out over a couple of years.

The difference is the longer version (out of the hope of a vaccine) also wrecks the economy. Let coronavirus go for it, it can be gone then in 3 months.

Edited October 11, 2020 by Cookie Monster

[Setton]

3 hours ago, bmk1245 said:

WHO discourages lockdowns as U.S. hospitalizations continue climb; 11 states set records for new COVID-19 cases

Hmmm, how it will go with some polititians...

Is any country actually still in lockdown?

[ian hacktorp]

29 minutes ago, stereologist said:

Lockdowns have worked in some places such as China which although the origin of the pandemic has been able to contain the disease.

Shooting all of the cattle has worked to contain disease outbreaks, too.

Similarly, destructive lockdowns are on the wrong side of 'the line'.

[stereologist]

13 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Yes, we can get all the dying done in a few months or spread it out over a couple of years.

The difference is the longer version (out of the hope of a vaccine) also wrecks the economy. Let coronavirus go for it, it can be gone then in 3 months.

The dying does not have to happen. That is a rather bad assumption.

The notion that the disease will go away after 3 months is pure nonsense. 

[stereologist]

13 minutes ago, seanjo said:

With hugely draconian measures, including trapping people in their homes, I even saw a piece where they said 21 million Chinese mobile phones had disappeared off the net. But hey, keep up the commie dictatorship worship.

Keep up the stupid Trumpian jackass routine.

The claims of "21 million Chinese mobile phones" appears to be sourced from ne of those garbage filth outlets that only he truly ignorant would believe.

And as you appear to admit lockdowns can work.

[stereologist]

14 minutes ago, seanjo said:

It also kills more people.

Of course. The let a pandemic rage mentality is all about making sure as many people as possible die.

 

[stereologist]

5 minutes ago, ian hacktorp said:

Shooting all of the cattle has worked to contain disease outbreaks, too.

Similarly, destructive lockdowns are on the wrong side of 'the line'.

Slaughtering entire herds is done for what reason? That's right it is about the money.

That's what all of this anti-lockdown rhetoric is all about. It's about people willing to kill others just to have money.

[lightly]

19 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Yes, we can get all the dying done in a few months or spread it out over a couple of years.

The difference is the longer version (out of the hope of a vaccine) also wrecks the economy. Let coronavirus go for it, it can be gone then in 3 months.

Brilliant !      After all , what's a few more hundred thousand gramma and grampas and health impaired people in the grand economic scheme of things?      $?$?$?

[toast]

One way or another, Dr. David Nabarro is right somehow but it require the cooperation of ALL people, which isnt given. Here in Germany we had a lockdown "light" in March/April and the figures looked quite well then, as the total number of infected people was kept on a very low level compared to other countries. In April I expected the numbers to rise during and after the summer holidays and, I was right. Too many morons were in the mood to travel and too many morons thought it is over somehow.

The first big breakout after the lockdown was caused by a Baptiste church service near to Frankfurt, 180 people attended with the result of >200 people infected. It has been shown that the most breakout hotspots are birthday celebrations, weddings and celebrate events in general. Even if the mask obligation came late, too late as per my opinion, I havent heard that (e.g.) public transport caused a problem related to virus distribution numbers.

Currently, bars and pubs in my home town are open again but under strict restrictions which are not always followed correctly. This weekend, the responsible authorities controlled over 700 bars&pubs&clubs in two districts here in Hamburg resulting into >170 findings and some on-the-spot closures of business for the weekend. Because some people dont care and these kind of people are the real problem which can, unfortunately, only be solved by compulsion from above. 

[stereologist]

I have no idea why people even bring Sweden into the discussion. They went for no lockdown and killed a lot of people with almost no benefit to the economy.

 

[spartan max2]

 

 

Coronavirus: Sweden's economy hit less hard by pandemic

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354

5 Charts That Show Sweden’s Strategy Worked. The Lockdowns Failed

https://fee.org/articles/5-charts-that-show-sweden-s-strategy-worked-the-lockdowns-failed/

 

 

Lockdowns are effective - until you stop doing them. At the OP states. Lockdowns are meant to slow the spread so that you can get your medical system ready and precautions set up. But that is it. At the end of the day, unless you lock down until there is a vaccine, which could be a couple years, then people will still get sick once you end lockdown. 

The exceptions have been places easy to cut off outsiders, like islands: New Zealand, Iceland, the state of Hawaii. But most places have more then a couple points of entry. 

Edited October 11, 2020 by spartan max2

[stereologist]

37 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

 

 

Coronavirus: Sweden's economy hit less hard by pandemic

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354

5 Charts That Show Sweden’s Strategy Worked. The Lockdowns Failed

https://fee.org/articles/5-charts-that-show-sweden-s-strategy-worked-the-lockdowns-failed/

 

 

Lockdowns are effective - until you stop doing them. At the OP states. Lockdowns are meant to slow the spread so that you can get your medical system ready and precautions set up. But that is it. At the end of the day, unless you lock down until there is a vaccine, which could be a couple years, then people will still get sick once you end lockdown. 

The exceptions have been places easy to cut off outsiders, like islands: New Zealand, Iceland, the state of Hawaii. But most places have more then a couple points of entry. 

As we've seen the lockdowns do work. China shows it works so claiming that all you do is slowdown things is false. Singapore also has been able to do lockdown. Sure most of the people in the free world don't want to be bothered with safety and want to do whatever with no regard for others.

The notion that people will get sick once you end the lockdowns is false. If the disease has been stopped by the lockdowns then no one can be infected. What are people thinking? The disease sees a lockdown and hibernates?

Sweden did poorly economically just like its neighbors.

Sure you can go to some site like fee.org and find some BS about how well Sweden did, but that's not the case is it? Their economy was only a tad better than their neighbors. Inn fact, Finland had a much better economy despite their lockdown. BTW, they share a border.

 

If you don't care about the relatively large number of deaths in Sweden and the fact that their BS about herd immunity was never reached and their economy did no better than their neighbors then sure as p*** go for killing people for nothing.

[stereologist]

I try to avoid these dubious sources but I wat to point out how easy it is to use dubious right(or left) wing sources.

https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/economics/swedens-covid-experiment-is-now-a-certified-failure

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Sweden's Covid Experiment is Now a Certified Failure

 

[ExpandMyMind]

17 minutes ago, stereologist said:

I try to avoid these dubious sources but I wat to point out how easy it is to use dubious right(or left) wing sources.

https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/economics/swedens-covid-experiment-is-now-a-certified-failure

 

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As someone who doesn't have as much time to browse or post as I have in the past, I really appreciate posters like yourself. But especially yourself. Seriously man, keep up the good work. You are appreciated.

And I'm certain I'm not the only one who thinks so.

[bee]

4 hours ago, stereologist said:

 

That's what all of this anti-lockdown rhetoric is all about. It's about people willing to kill others just to have money.

Did you see what the WHO are saying about the devastating  affects of Lockdowns on world poverty and child malnutrition..?

Your simplistic comment above is just ridiculous... 

 

[bmk1245]

10 hours ago, Setton said:

Is any country actually still in lockdown?

In full, probably none (haven't searched), but thats for future references.

[RoofGardener]

Have I got this right ? 

The WHO are lamenting the impact of lockdowns on the African and Carribean tourist industry ? It is causing poverty ? 

Are they serious ? 

[stevewinn]

We are here discussing second lockdowns because the first lockdown clearly failed. If the first lockdown did not achieve the stated goals, why does the government think a second one will. (are we now having second lockdowns to simply justify the first? time will tell if we don't have third or fourth locdowns)

[Katniss]

13 hours ago, bee said:

Did you see what the WHO are saying about the devastating  affects of Lockdowns on world poverty and child malnutrition..?

Your simplistic comment above is just ridiculous... 

 

But there are lot of people out there whom are more worried about the economy, their 401K's, investments, stocks, than having any consideration for other people's lives. So they love money more than life itself and too bad, so sad if you or others get covid-19 or die because of it. Screw everyone else, money is more important - is the common underlying message we see with all of this denial and anti-covid-19 rhetoric.

But you know what, the anti-covid propaganda is never going to work until the medical communities across the world stop wearing masks and face shields out in public and stop taking covid-19 seriously. Too many people see that and take it seriously too, so they wear masks and continue to practice social distance like those of us working in the medical field, because they know we know what we are talking about and practice what we preach for a damn good reason.

[Essan]

5 hours ago, stevewinn said:

We are here discussing second lockdowns because the first lockdown clearly failed. If the first lockdown did not achieve the stated goals, why does the government think a second one will. (are we now having second lockdowns to simply justify the first? time will tell if we don't have third or fourth locdowns)

The purpose of the first lockdown was 2-fold:  to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed and to buy time to get track and trace, and testing procedures, in place.  

On the first count it was a success.  On the second count we failed because the Govt were too busy breaking the lockdown to get their eyes tested; making sure everyone knew the rules are there to be broken; and, in any case, have as much intelligence as a rather old, rancid, pile of elephant dung.   Hence we now need a second lockdown .....      

As for WHO's advice, well, for those who don't want biased paranoid conspiracy theories rammed down their throats, there a good piece to read here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-12/world-health-organization-coronavirus-lockdown-advice/12753688
 

[simplybill]

55 minutes ago, Katniss said:

Too many people see that and take it seriously too, so they wear masks and continue to practice social distance like those of us working in the medical field...

Katniss: You still have a job. You can pay your mortgage, add to your 401k, put food on the table, and enjoy all the other benefits of having your employment remain intact during the crisis. 

We know how to reduce the risk of infection: wear a mask, wash your hands often, avoid crowds, and anyone in the high-risk category can self-quarantine.

Those of us willing to work should be allowed to return to our jobs without government interference, just as you’re doing.