Eldorado Posted October 14, 2020 #1 Share Posted October 14, 2020 An investigation in Italy is trying to establish why the names of the mothers who had their foetuses aborted in the second trimester were engraved on the crosses of graves without their consent. The mothers claim they were not aware that their names would be written on the graves when they declared they didn’t want to be in charge of the burial of their foetus. Most of the graves date from between 2017 and 2020, but some say the practice dates further back. A group of women's rights organisations have launched a legal process after collecting a hundred stories after women said they were not asked for their consent. Full report at Euronews: Link 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acute Posted October 14, 2020 #2 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Do you remember the scandal in Liverpool, where fetuses and organs were stored without consent? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alder_Hey_organs_scandal When I worked in an NHS hospital, the conference room in the Neonatal Unit had shelves (all the way around the room!) full of oddities in jars, but when Alder Hey happened, they mysteriously disappeared! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted October 14, 2020 #3 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Fetus burials were taken to the Supreme Court here last year in March. There is nothing saying a woman's name will be put on a marked grave. I don't think they can do that without her permission. This is from May 2019. This is starting to be an issue here with some states requiring burial now. In the US, they were always incinerated. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-upholds-indiana-abortion-law-requiring-fetal-remains-be-n1010736 There was another hearing about it in December 2019. https://rewirenewsgroup.com/article/2019/12/02/heres-why-fetal-burial-legislation-is-surging-in-the-states/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted October 14, 2020 #4 Share Posted October 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, acute said: Do you remember the scandal in Liverpool, where fetuses and organs were stored without consent? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alder_Hey_organs_scandal When I worked in an NHS hospital, the conference room in the Neonatal Unit had shelves (all the way around the room!) full of oddities in jars, but when Alder Hey happened, they mysteriously disappeared! This also happened here. This is one story. The fetuses were buried by the state. Indiana had passed a law in 2016 requiring burial. Several states have them now. It's not something I followed so I don't really know. https://www.npr.org/2020/02/12/805346734/thousands-of-fetal-remains-found-after-abortion-providers-death-buried-in-indian 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted October 14, 2020 #5 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I'm looking around and it doesn't seem like the US is doing this in quite the same way as Italy. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/state-mandated-mourning-for-aborted-fetuses/482688/ For women who choose to have an abortion, the process can still end once the pills are swallowed or the stirrups are down. If families choose not to handle the disposal process, hospitals and clinics are responsible for taking care of the remains, along with the funeral and cemetery businesses with which they work. Absent state-mandated funerals or car rides to the crematorium, women don’t have to help their fetuses come to a dignified end; abortion providers and funeral directors will be the only witnesses to the interment or cremation. And even though fetuses are now afforded the disposition rights of humans, they still don’t have other rights of personhood—including, for example, the right to life. According to United States law, fetuses are not people. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted October 14, 2020 #6 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Did anybody ever suggest that the father's name appear as well?" 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted October 15, 2020 #7 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Wish my son`s two aborted children ,my grandchildren could have been buried with names, It was in 1970 `s when my daughter in law `s mother made her get late term abortions , but then after let them marry and they had two children I remember feeling those so called fetuses kicking in her belly, before the abortions, made me feel so sad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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