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3 minutes ago, jaylemurph said:

My god, canals?

Truly, basic irrigation was a secret known only to the Atlanteans, and not an aspect of every single human civilization, ever. 

Next you’ll be implying Atlantis had agriculture. Maybe even trade. Then, who knows, writing and building. 

—Jaylemurph 

Where does it end!?

Did they have faster than light spaceships?

Perhaps teleportation devices?

TWINKIES!?!?!?

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4 hours ago, Rojack said:

Plato described an Atlantis plain that extended out into the Atlantic Ocean. That plain is the state of Florida. Check  the measurements if you don’t trust me.

During the flooding, the Florida Plain was turned into an impassable shoal of mud. This means that the terrain features Plato wrote about are still in place today above ground. My argument and the material I post here are designed to support Plato’s story as true. Also, Plato assumed that the continent sunk. It didn’t sink.

Oh, my.

The challenges presented to you in contributions #31, #245, and #283 were obviously failed attempts at stimulating self-education. To elaborate:

Plato’s demise of Atlantis purportedly occurred 9,000 years before the time of Solon. Solon lived circa 630-560 BC. Thus, the demise of Atlantis occurred ~9,600 BC or ~11,600 before present (BP), or, for the sake of rounding ~ 12,000 BP.

While the 12,000 year figure actually falls into the YD cooling stage, it is nonetheless part of the Pleistocene to Holocene transition. During this period, oceanic basin levels were still notably lower than those of today.

The presence of humans in the Americas would appear to date to circa 15,000-16,000 BP. The below imagery is based upon current research into the presence of early North American human activities in areas of the continental shelf that have subsequently been submerged by rising basin levels. Note that Adovasio is a principal PI. The very light blue/white area would represent the Florida shoreline circa 15,000 to 12,000+ BP.

https://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/12newworld/background/sealevel/sealevel.html

While more detailed bathymetric data can be sourced, the bottom line is:  If one utilizes Plato’s dating, the Florida peninsula would be quite a number of meters higher in basin-related elevation than today and Tampa would be an appreciably longer distance from the present shoreline. Will await your measurement figures (!).

Once again, your “speculations” are not at all supportable.

Edit: Typo, clarification.

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38 minutes ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

Where does it end!?

Did they have faster than light spaceships?

Perhaps teleportation devices?

TWINKIES!?!?!?

I could maybe get into the whole Atlantis thing if they were known for their twinks. 

—Jaylemurph 

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48 minutes ago, acute said:

Canals, and all the rest.

.....and porn.

 

This brings up an important question: Is it truly a civilization if they don't have porn ?

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http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

Of the combatants on the one side, the city of Athens was reported to have been the leader and to have fought out the war; the combatants on the other side were commanded by the kings of Atlantis, which, as was saying, was an island greater in extent than Libya and Asia,

 

Why would they say an island was greater in extent than Libya and Asia?

 

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 for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbor, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea,

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/timaeus.html

they were measuring this land in the harbor as they traveled.  and shows  Spain`s land is further in extent  is why would they say an island was greater in extent than Libya and Asia put together.

 

extent
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NOUN
extent (noun) · extents (plural noun)

  1. the area covered by something.
    "an enclosure ten acres in extent"
    synonyms:
    area · size · expanse · length · stretch
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6 hours ago, Rojack said:

Plato described an Atlantis plain that extended out into the Atlantic Ocean. That plain is the state of Florida. Check  the measurements if you don’t trust me.

During the flooding, the Florida Plain was turned into an impassable shoal of mud. This means that the terrain features Plato wrote about are still in place today above ground. My argument and the material I post here are designed to support Plato’s story as true. Also, Plato assumed that the continent sunk. It didn’t sink.

1) Plato describes "Atlantis" as an island.

2) The "sinking" of "Atlantis" is a significant element in Plato's morality tale. Major flaw in your non-argument.

3) Exactly how many critical aspects of the original writings will you attempt to alter in order to support a demonstrably incorrect fantasy.?

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16 minutes ago, Swede said:

1) Plato describes "Atlantis" as an island.

2) The "sinking" of "Atlantis" is a significant element in Plato's morality tale. Major flaw in your non-argument.

3) Exactly how many critical aspects of the original writings will you attempt to alter in order to support a demonstrably incorrect fantasy.?

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I can answer #3. “As many as possible”.

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1 hour ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

This brings up an important question: Is it truly a civilization if they don't have porn ?

Well.....

Not advanced, obviously.

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jaylemurph, I know that you are smart, highly educated, and have the ability to figure things. So, let me ask you to figure out one thing that should take you only a few minutes. Here is a quote from Plato and a link to Google maps.  I’m asking you to match the terrain features to the text:

“Now, the largest of the zones into which a passage was cut from the sea was three stadia in breadth, and the zone of land which came next of equal breadth; but the next two zones, the one of water, the other of land, were two stadia, and the one which surrounded the central island was a stadium only in width. The island in which the palace was situated had a diameter of five stadia”

Map: https://goo.gl/maps/ZiqdTts1UagspXNf9

You might have to change the text to get the match. Or you might be able to figure it out without changing the text. In any case, if you make the match, then we can discuss the area without anyone getting upset at the other one.

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The map doesn’t matter, however compelling you want it to be. All any map will prove is that you have the ability to convince yourself of what you already believe to be true. That’s not a good thing. It leads to the stunning intellectual positions of a c***king or a docy****.
 

I wasn’t kidding when I suggested you take a basic freshman composition class at a local community college or junior college. You don’t seem to even comprehend your arguments are specious and unconvincing to the majority of posters here, which means you have no ability to understand your audience or construct even basic arguments they’ll consider. 

Come back and talk to me when you understand the concept of verisimilitude.
 

Unless you’re prepared to have a conversation where you demonstrate you understand what it is and how it’s used, all you’re doing is wasting everyone’s time in suggesting clearly fictional places are real; you are literally no different from fools looking for Hogwarts, Gallifrey, Avalon, or Cockaigne. 

—Jaylemurph 

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wish you guys get over the American theories, that are not true or proven.

no cow bulls , chariots,ect :)    

war-chariot, so as to make up a total of ten thousand chariots; also two horses and riders for them, and a pair of chariot-horses without a seat, accompanied by a horseman who could fight on foot carrying a small shield, and having a charioteer who stood behind the man-at-arms to guide the two horses; also, he was bound to furnish two heavy armed soldiers, two slingers, three stone-shooters and three javelin-men, who were light-armed, and four sailors to make up the complement of twelve hundred ships. Such was the military order of the royal city-the order of the other nine governments varied, and it would be wearisome to recount their several differences.
 

 

There were bulls who had the range of the temple of Poseidon; and the ten kings, being left alone in the temple, after they had offered prayers to the god that they might capture the victim which was acceptable to him, hunted the bulls, without weapons but with staves and nooses; and the bull which they caught they led up to the pillar and cut its throat over the top of it so that the blood fell upon the sacred inscription.

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Why isn't there geologic evidence of this event? Keep in mind there's a pretty solid and complete record of native inhabitation along the Florida coast, how was it that this event could be strong enough to completely erase all archeological evidence of Atlantis but leave these native sites intact? 

 

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Atlantis was not in North America. It was in the actual European continent closer enough to the Greek civilisation and not far from ancient Babylon in Northern Africa. The most qualified place according to real experts, not arm chair experts is the actual Black Sea known to have been a lake separated by Mediterranean sea by a very thin land piece which broke 6500 to 7500 years ago. Perfect timing for the beginning of civilization to be remembered. There is an island now in the black sea called the island of snakes with some serious ancient artifacts which according to historians the name resonates to the older habitats of the island who were extremely smart , snake being the symbol of science in ancient times.

Now numerous vestiges are discovered at the bottom of the black sea which due to high salinity and anaerobic bacteria had kept them preserved.

This story had been exacerbated in time and became the Atlantis story, not even slightest resamble with the Atlantic Ocean although trough the Mediterranean sea, the black sea do get access to the Atlantic Ocean.

This article is pointing out with more accuracy its location. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Location_hypotheses_of_Atlantis

 

German researchers Siegfried and Christian Schoppe locate Atlantis in the Black Sea. Before 5500 BC, a great plain lay in the northwest at a former freshwater-lake. In 5510 BC, rising sea level topped the barrier at today's Bosporus. They identify the Pillars of Hercules with the Strait of Bosporus.[41] They gave no explanation how the ships of the merchants coming from all over the world had arrived at the harbour of Atlantis when it was 350 feet below global sea-level.

They claim Oreichalcos means the obsidian stone that used to be a cash-equivalent at that time and was replaced by the spondylus shell around 5500 BC, which would suit the red, white, black motif. The geocatastrophic event led to the neolithic diaspora in Europe, also beginning 5500 BC.

In 2000, the Guardian reported that Robert Ballard, in a small submarine, found remains of human habitation around 300 feet underwater in the Black Sea off the north coast of Turkey. The area flooded around 5000 BC. This flood is also thought to have inspired the Biblical story of Noah's Ark known as the Black Sea deluge theory.

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Stone Age comet destroys North America ?

There is no evidence of a comet that hit north  America, only millions of years ago that destroyed the dinosaurs :)

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4 minutes ago, qxcontinuum said:

Atlantis was not in North America. It was in the actual European continent closer enough to the Greek civilisation and not far from ancient Babylon in Northern Africa. The most qualified place according to real experts, not arm chair experts is the actual Black Sea known to have been a lake separated by Mediterranean sea by a very thin land piece which broke 6500 to 7500 years ago. Perfect timing for the beginning of civilization to be remembered. There is an island now in the black sea called the island of snakes with some serious ancient artifacts which according to historians the name resonates to the older habitats of the island who were extremely smart , snake being the symbol of science in ancient times.

Now numerous vestiges are discovered at the bottom of the black sea which due to high salinity and anaerobic bacteria had kept them preserved.

This story had been exacerbated in time and became the Atlantis story, not even slightest resamble with the Atlantic Ocean although trough the Mediterranean sea, the black sea do get access to the Atlantic Ocean.

This article is pointing out with more accuracy its location. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Location_hypotheses_of_Atlantis

 

German researchers Siegfried and Christian Schoppe locate Atlantis in the Black Sea. Before 5500 BC, a great plain lay in the northwest at a former freshwater-lake. In 5510 BC, rising sea level topped the barrier at today's Bosporus. They identify the Pillars of Hercules with the Strait of Bosporus.[41] They gave no explanation how the ships of the merchants coming from all over the world had arrived at the harbour of Atlantis when it was 350 feet below global sea-level.

They claim Oreichalcos means the obsidian stone that used to be a cash-equivalent at that time and was replaced by the spondylus shell around 5500 BC, which would suit the red, white, black motif. The geocatastrophic event led to the neolithic diaspora in Europe, also beginning 5500 BC.

In 2000, the Guardian reported that Robert Ballard, in a small submarine, found remains of human habitation around 300 feet underwater in the Black Sea off the north coast of Turkey. The area flooded around 5000 BC. This flood is also thought to have inspired the Biblical story of Noah's Ark known as the Black Sea deluge theory.

Just what we need, another "theory" that ignores what Plato actually writes.

Once again we have people first decide that a place is Atlantis and then take elements out of Platos story to sort of fit and discard the rest. Why is this approach compelling to people ?

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Just now, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

Just what we need, another "theory" that ignores what Plato actually writes.

Once again we have people first decide that a place is Atlantis and then take elements out of Platos story to sort of fit and discard the rest. Why is this approach compelling to people ?

Its a theory older as hell...

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7 hours ago, Abramelin said:

So, we have Atlantis in:

  • North America
  • South America
  • Mexico
  • Bahama 's
  • Antarctica
  • Scandinavia
  • North Sea
  • Sahara
  • Iberia
  • the Mediterranean (4)
  • Sundaland
  • Australia
  • Azores
  • Greenland
  • France
  • and?

Cleveland, OH

Since I don't have to rely on Plato at all or provide an explanation for a lack  of archaeological evidence.

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4 minutes ago, qxcontinuum said:

Its a theory older as hell...

So what ? The age of a "theory" have nothing to do with its validity. The fact is that it doesn't fit with Platos desciption of Atlantis and Platos desciption is the only one we have. 

So I ask you again, why do you find an idea that discards most of Platos story as a compelling explanation for Platos Atlantis ?

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26 minutes ago, qxcontinuum said:

Atlantis was not in North America. It was in the actual European continent closer enough to the Greek civilisation and not far from ancient Babylon in Northern Africa. The most qualified place according to real experts, not arm chair experts is the actual Black Sea known to have been a lake separated by Mediterranean sea by a very thin land piece which broke 6500 to 7500 years ago. Perfect timing for the beginning of civilization to be remembered. There is an island now in the black sea called the island of snakes with some serious ancient artifacts which according to historians the name resonates to the older habitats of the island who were extremely smart , snake being the symbol of science in ancient times.

Now numerous vestiges are discovered at the bottom of the black sea which due to high salinity and anaerobic bacteria had kept them preserved.

This story had been exacerbated in time and became the Atlantis story, not even slightest resamble with the Atlantic Ocean although trough the Mediterranean sea, the black sea do get access to the Atlantic Ocean.

This article is pointing out with more accuracy its location. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Location_hypotheses_of_Atlantis

 

German researchers Siegfried and Christian Schoppe locate Atlantis in the Black Sea. Before 5500 BC, a great plain lay in the northwest at a former freshwater-lake. In 5510 BC, rising sea level topped the barrier at today's Bosporus. They identify the Pillars of Hercules with the Strait of Bosporus.[41] They gave no explanation how the ships of the merchants coming from all over the world had arrived at the harbour of Atlantis when it was 350 feet below global sea-level.

They claim Oreichalcos means the obsidian stone that used to be a cash-equivalent at that time and was replaced by the spondylus shell around 5500 BC, which would suit the red, white, black motif. The geocatastrophic event led to the neolithic diaspora in Europe, also beginning 5500 BC.

In 2000, the Guardian reported that Robert Ballard, in a small submarine, found remains of human habitation around 300 feet underwater in the Black Sea off the north coast of Turkey. The area flooded around 5000 BC. This flood is also thought to have inspired the Biblical story of Noah's Ark known as the Black Sea deluge theory.

Which means you’re not remotely up to date on the Black Sea flood. Go figure. 
 

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5 hours ago, Rojack said:

What if I showed you the small island of Atlantis with three large canals around it? Would you believe it then?

How could I believe that it was atlantis? Because it fits your perception of it.

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57 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Which means you’re not remotely up to date on the Black Sea flood. Go figure. 
 

cormac

Do you just restated something I already quoted? 

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1 hour ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

So what ? The age of a "theory" have nothing to do with its validity. The fact is that it doesn't fit with Platos desciption of Atlantis and Platos desciption is the only one we have. 

So I ask you again, why do you find an idea that discards most of Platos story as a compelling explanation for Platos Atlantis ?

It doesn't discard at all, you have not read the above well; 

"They identify the Pillars of Hercules with the Strait of Bosporus

 

 

 

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