Group of doctors claim pandemic is a sham

[stereologist]

On 10/22/2020 at 4:16 PM, InconceivableThoughts said:

Ok I scanned through them the best with my limited knowledge of the medical terminology. What I gathered was that there is some evidence of damage after the initial recovery though more studies need to be done. While I wont claim to this to be false I will say that it is way to small of a study to determine anything defiently. So as I said in my first post about there being zero proof until undeniable evidence comes to light. I still feel its fear mongering. I have several friends that have contracted the virus and while they supposedly have full recoveries more evidence(time, research) must be done to actually determine if there actually is any long term side effects.

So you are now just going to be a denier? There was damage across a large number of patients. One study and another study and more studies show this to be the case,

The size of the study was clear enough to show it happens. Not only that but I am only claiming 10% when the study was over 60%.

You think your casual non-medical knowledge of your friends trumps actual medical research?

I guess you missed the message. There is even damage in asymptomatic people. 

[stereologist]

On 10/22/2020 at 4:21 PM, InconceivableThoughts said:

I'm not unreasonable or stupid guys. Talk to me, if im misinformed, cite something I will read it. Its just I'm a sceptic to certain things especially when it involves money. Humans are very decietful and manipulative when it comes to getting what they want. But until undeniable proof comes around aaswell as me seeing a healthy 25-60 year old drop dead from this I wont consider it deadly. Now Ebola thats a bad one.

You seem to be unaware of people as young as 15 dying? Healthy people are dying. It happens with this disease.

Ebola is not going to spread in the US. It can't. It spreads where it does because of the culture. Look it up.

[stereologist]

On 10/22/2020 at 9:12 PM, InconceivableThoughts said:

I'll go with that. Although i feel some people on this site should choose their route of educating people more wisely. Insulting people always will be counter productive to anything thats trying to be accomplished.

You are quick to ask for citations yet you follow that up by being a denier. 

It seems that the people most likely to think that the virus is not a problem are those that know virtually nothing about the topic.

For example, the issue of even asymptomatic cases having organ damage has been in the news since April. How do people not know that? That was 6 months ago. 

[stereologist]

On 10/23/2020 at 10:29 AM, InconceivableThoughts said:

I cant tell you how wrong you are. Im not a conspiracy theorist . We landed on the moon, no such thing as ancient aliens, cryptids aren't real, the paranormal is a joke, and finnally covid is real. I'm going off the numbers which i believe to be inflated . i say again this virus is not serious. That is not a lie it is a opinion. 

How many dead people will make it serious for you? Do you have a cut off somewhere? 

What about the long term prospects of this disease. What if the number of people on dialysis is 10 times larger in a decade. Is that okay with you? What about 20 times as many people toting around green canisters because their lungs are shredded? Is that okay?

So  you think that the numbers of inflated. They are probably too low. The evidence today suggests the numbers are low. 

Do you have a reason for suggesting "i believe to be inflated" or is this just based on you not knowing much about what is happening?

[stereologist]

On 10/23/2020 at 10:37 AM, InconceivableThoughts said:

Whos it deadly to ? People with underlying conditions. Covid may have been the tipping point but then again anything would of. Healthy people don't die from it. While there being select cases where people die when healthy that dosent mean anything. Its like saying because one person has six fingers that now you say people either have 6 fingers or 5. While in fact the one person is an abnormality. Which I believe should be excluded when deciding if a virus is deadly or not to healthy people.

See here you post a lie: "Healthy people don't die from it."   That's not an opinion. It's a lie. Plenty of healthy people have died.  

[stereologist]

On 10/23/2020 at 1:18 PM, SKINWALKER19 said:

The UK government are getting desperate now , they are conducting tests on sewage. This will obviously  be used to isolate and lockdown areas where high levels of Covid are  supposedly detected, the fact the fatality figures are not even remotely into pandemic statistics will not deter the UK government from the narrative of a pandemic sweeps across the land !

Covid 19 has a long way to go to compete with influenza deaths globally, alas the Covid control mechanism snowball is gathering ever more momentum as the MSN regurgitates the scripted doom n gloom .

The great thing is , Covid has woken more people up to the fact the world and it’s governments  aren't what they perceived  them to be , that  realisation genie cannot be put back in the bottle 

Thank for showing you know nothing about the current pandemic, how epidemiologists do their work, or how many people die from COVID-19 and the flu. 

You really should learn something before posting such laughable rubbish as you did here.

[stereologist]

On 10/23/2020 at 2:55 PM, bee said:

 

Unfortunately the coronavirus Death Numbers cannot be trusted..... this became an issue early on and continues...

It must be very difficult for doctors who are pressurized in various ways to conform to the hype and cooperate with creating and sustaining the perception that coronavirus is bad enough to warrant the draconian measures forced on the General Population and the removal of rights and freedoms that just a few months ago we took for granted... as totalitarianism creeps ever deeper into out lives... courtesy of the virus...  

This is from back in April but is still educational here in October... Dr Scott Jensen talks to Laura Ingram...

Dr. Scott Jensen With Laura Ingraham and TheRidiculous CDC Guidlines.
 

 

Great a politician who has been shown to be wrong on the Ingraham garbage show.

This is the guy that was investigated by the medical review board for spewing misinformation about COVID-19.

His innuendos were just that - vacuous claims with no substance. But they appealed to those with a tin foil hat.

 

[stereologist]

15 hours ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

Because its not there.

You are and have been arguing from a position of personal ignorance.

You claimed that no healthy people have died from COVID-19. Citation please.

[stereologist]

15 hours ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

Cant you see by just us having this argument if a virus is serious or not . That in fact its not that serious. No one ever has said Ebola isnt that serious.

Ebola is not a threat in the US. So its not serious.

[Setton]

7 hours ago, SKINWALKER19 said:

Setton  , I’m beginning to think your an operative of 77th brigade , that’s the online disinformation unit of the British army . They specialise in attacking any narrative that differs from the governments .

That's ok, I just think you're an idiot.

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Regarding UKCOLUMN, they only use and compare statistics that are legal , this explains why they haven’t been deplatformed from YouTube as many others have !

Anyone can lie about legal statistics. Doesn't make them reputable. 

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We are now seeing Covid tests  being sent back by the participant that  have deliberately  not swabbed the inside of the the mouth or nose only to receive a positive diagnosis letter back  ............. go figure !

Sure we are Vlad.

Edited October 24, 2020 by Setton

[InconceivableThoughts]

13 hours ago, stereologist said:

You seem to be unaware of people as young as 15 dying? Healthy people are dying. It happens with this disease.

Ebola is not going to spread in the US. It can't. It spreads where it does because of the culture. Look it up.

Ive googled how many healthy people die vs unhealthy and the difference is huge. Healthy people dying from covid is a anomoly. Like i said before its like someone being born with six fingers. Its dosent change to people are born with five or six fingers. Just like when a healthy person dies from this virus . My guess is that there is an underlying health problem that hadn't been detected before or even after the persons death.

Edited October 25, 2020 by InconceivableThoughts

[InconceivableThoughts]

12 hours ago, stereologist said:

Ebola is not a threat in the US. So its not serious.

I dont think you understood what I said...ill say Spanish flu...no one ever said " the Spanish flu wasnt that serious".

[InconceivableThoughts]

13 hours ago, stereologist said:

See here you post a lie: "Healthy people don't die from it."   That's not an opinion. It's a lie. Plenty of healthy people have died.  

No they haven't. Cite

[toast]

1 hour ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

No they haven't. Cite

They do but, hypothetically speaking, if not and when only individuals with pre-illnesses are effected do you think thats not a problem to society because they are ill somehow anyway? Euthanasia 2.0?

[OpenMindedSceptic]

Pandemic? BS.

There is a virus. Lockdowns and facemasks do sweet nothing to stop it. 

The narrative is a crock of ****.

Yes there are tragic stories. That doesn't deter from the fact that there is no pandemic.

GGovernment politicking around the globe, now entrenched in the lie.

Fact is, every conceivable measure shows a steep rise followed by andropping level. Just like every other virus before it. 

Thee problem is the supermarket staff who have had numerous interaactuisn throughout the pandemic and no noticeable excessive deaths. Same for bar and restaurant staff. 

Even the rise now is that of a low level, normal, viral stats spread. 

There aren't overrun hospitals. Some are busy with near capacity but guess what, a few miles down the road, they are empty. In the UK, they had nightingale hospitals set up in record time and ZERO people admitted.

It is why the WHO is advocatimg NO lockdowns. They do nothing and are ineffective. So the led by science narrative is nonsense. The science is clear. Face masks and lockdowns don't work. 

The predicted figures of doom... guess what, never materialised. They were way out of whack by a factor of 10 to 15. And before you think, oh because the lovkdowns worked, I bring in Sweden... regardless of their v light interference, they too had v low incidence of covid. As did every other nation. 

And no nation anywhere has had a significant above average number of deaths. Intervention or no intervention. 

And before you think that means Only Sweden, start with Brazil too.

So give me the science that proves lockdowns and facemasks are a way forward.

[+Desertrat56]

1 hour ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

Pandemic? BS.

There is a virus. Lockdowns and facemasks do sweet nothing to stop it. 

The narrative is a crock of ****.

Yes there are tragic stories. That doesn't deter from the fact that there is no pandemic.

GGovernment politicking around the globe, now entrenched in the lie.

Fact is, every conceivable measure shows a steep rise followed by andropping level. Just like every other virus before it. 

Thee problem is the supermarket staff who have had numerous interaactuisn throughout the pandemic and no noticeable excessive deaths. Same for bar and restaurant staff. 

Even the rise now is that of a low level, normal, viral stats spread. 

There aren't overrun hospitals. Some are busy with near capacity but guess what, a few miles down the road, they are empty. In the UK, they had nightingale hospitals set up in record time and ZERO people admitted.

It is why the WHO is advocatimg NO lockdowns. They do nothing and are ineffective. So the led by science narrative is nonsense. The science is clear. Face masks and lockdowns don't work. 

The predicted figures of doom... guess what, never materialised. They were way out of whack by a factor of 10 to 15. And before you think, oh because the lovkdowns worked, I bring in Sweden... regardless of their v light interference, they too had v low incidence of covid. As did every other nation. 

And no nation anywhere has had a significant above average number of deaths. Intervention or no intervention. 

And before you think that means Only Sweden, start with Brazil too.

So give me the science that proves lockdowns and facemasks are a way forward.

Is your handle a joke?  Most of your posts show no open mindedness nor skepticism as you spout conspiracy theories, which is not skepticism,.

[Tiggs]

6 hours ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

I dont think you understood what I said...ill say Spanish flu...no one ever said " the Spanish flu wasnt that serious".

Sure they did — during it: https://www.history.com/news/1918-pandemic-spanish-flu-censorship

Hindsight is always 20/20.
 

6 hours ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

Ive googled how many healthy people die vs unhealthy and the difference is huge. Healthy people dying from covid is a anomoly. Like i said before its like someone being born with six fingers. Its dosent change to people are born with five or six fingers. Just like when a healthy person dies from this virus . My guess is that there is an underlying health problem that hadn't been detected before or even after the persons death.

Perhaps it would help if you were aware that the CDC estimates that 60% of Americans have at least one chronic medical condition. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0625-update-expands-covid-19.html

And that ~23% of the Covid-19 fatalities the CDC studied didn't have one. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e1.htm

[OpenMindedSceptic]

3 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

Is your handle a joke?  Most of your posts show no open mindedness nor skepticism as you spout conspiracy theories, which is not skepticism,.

Some things are so obvious once you lean against them that you start wondering why people think there's a pandemic.

Simple questions beyond the media headlines very quickly demonstrate a bed of disinformation.

What makes you believe them? 

[Setton]

4 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

It is why the WHO is advocatimg NO lockdowns. They do nothing and are ineffective. So the led by science narrative is nonsense. The science is clear. Face masks and lockdowns don't work

Nit true. The WHO is discouraging countries from using lockdown as their only response to increasing cases. Lockdown still serves a purpose - to get back on top of cases where they spiral out of control.

[OpenMindedSceptic]

3 hours ago, Setton said:

Nit true. The WHO is discouraging countries from using lockdown as their only response to increasing cases. Lockdown still serves a purpose - to get back on top of cases where they spiral out of control.

Only for operational reasons in a country, not to slow cases down. It doesn't slow them down. The WHO know it doesn't work, nor do those facemasks. 

[Golden Duck]

On 10/25/2020 at 5:09 AM, stereologist said:

See here you post a lie: "Healthy people don't die from it."   That's not an opinion. It's a lie. Plenty of healthy people have died.  

Yeah, no true Scotsman.

[Setton]

1 hour ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

Only for operational reasons in a country, not to slow cases down. It doesn't slow them down. The WHO know it doesn't work, nor do those facemasks. 

What 'operational' reasons would those be if not to slow transmission?

Masks do work as has been extensively demonstrated.

[Abecrombie]

On 10/16/2020 at 11:29 AM, bee said:

 

Reflecting what a growing number of people are saying or suspecting - there are doctors, scientists and experts coming together to say that the Covid 19 pandemic is a sham - that people don't need to be afraid and that there is no need to lose freedoms and destroy economies -

A short clip to start off with from a twitter account and quote from a link about it...

 

 

https://www.newswars.com/watch-international-group-of-medical-doctors-call-covid-19-a-hoax/

 

 

 

Hello there, I do appriciate your concern reguarding what is true or factual to what is not. I checked out the video and article. Are you familiar with Infowars.com ? If not you should go there and look at that source. This media infowars are a form of media to get reactions from people to oppose other people ,... hence infoWARS. Not a reliable source in my opinion. Just saying. 

[psyche101]

On 10/24/2020 at 2:00 PM, InconceivableThoughts said:

Cant you see by just us having this argument if a virus is serious or not . That in fact its not that serious. No one ever has said Ebola isnt that serious.

The death counts aren't that serious in your opinion?

[InconceivableThoughts]

The term "risk vs reward" comes to mind. Im sorry I just dont think its serious enough to shutdown down the economy. In my mind the repercussions of shuting down will be worse then if we just implemented the face masks and social distancing without the shutdown . That is my opinion and while the numbers might not reflect my opinion ive said a million times the numbers are inflated and inaccurate(imo). The human race will survive this disease. Maybe thats where I'm going wrong....that is my bar for serious and not serious is out of whack....i used to play a game on my phone called pandemic or something along those lines. Its where you try to kill humanity with a virus evolving it to a point where it kills everyone.. I'm thinking that ruined me on what a serious and none serious disease is.

I dont know. I'm afraid my son has it. I'll be be going to the hospital tonight. Oh the irony.

Edited October 26, 2020 by InconceivableThoughts