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Desertrat56
12 hours ago, simplybill said:

Hi Desertrat56:
Social programs and Socialist government are two separate things. Social Security, museums, road construction, etc. are government-funded programs.

Obamacare, before the Supreme Court struck down the unconstitutional segments, was the textbook definition of Socialist governance:
“a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state“.  (Merriam-Webster Dictionary)
 

The reason we on the right are so reluctant to accept government-controlled Healthcare is because the government would have been in control of 18% of the American economy, with the potential to extend into other areas of production simply by controlling industries that produce medical equipment, pharmaceuticals, and hospital-related construction projects, to name a few. 
 

No, the reason we don't have government controlled healthcare is because of the insurance company and pharmaceutical company lobbyists.  Our healthcare is shameful compared to the rest of the first world.  In fact it is one of the reasons we will soon no longer be part of the first world countries and will be sitting  between 1st & 3rd.  There are other reasons and they have all come to a head in the last 4 years.  The next four years are going to be tough and we may or may not come out of it to begin again (check all the elections that happened on a 0 year and the span of 20 years, 5 X 4 years - maybe the curse of Tecumseh is real),

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InconceivableThoughts
7 hours ago, Setton said:

You think anyone actually expects a conspiracy theorist crackpot to change their mind just because they're presented with actual evidence?

No. We're calling you out so that others who aren't as fanatical don't get dragged into believing your unsupported lies.

I cant tell you how wrong you are. Im not a conspiracy theorist . We landed on the moon, no such thing as ancient aliens, cryptids aren't real, the paranormal is a joke, and finnally covid is real. I'm going off the numbers which i believe to be inflated . i say again this virus is not serious. That is not a lie it is a opinion. 

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InconceivableThoughts
7 hours ago, toast said:

 

Whos it deadly to ? People with underlying conditions. Covid may have been the tipping point but then again anything would of. Healthy people don't die from it. While there being select cases where people die when healthy that dosent mean anything. Its like saying because one person has six fingers that now you say people either have 6 fingers or 5. While in fact the one person is an abnormality. Which I believe should be excluded when deciding if a virus is deadly or not to healthy people.

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toast
8 minutes ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

Healthy people don't die from it.

Wrong and no, I will not provide a link because I`m not your Google monkey. 

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Setton
2 hours ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

I cant tell you how wrong you are.

That is obvious.

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Im not a conspiracy theorist .

You've literally just been banging on for pages about how COVID is being used as an excuse to extend postal voting in the US, without a shred of evidence, based on some mysterious global plot by equally mysterious forces.

That is the definition of a conspiracy theory.

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 . i say again this virus is not serious. That is not a lie it is a opinion. 

It is a stupid opinion that does not reflect reality. You know it does not reflect reality.

Therefore you are either lying or delusional.

Which is it?

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SKINWALKER19

The UK government are getting desperate now , they are conducting tests on sewage. This will obviously  be used to isolate and lockdown areas where high levels of Covid are  supposedly detected, the fact the fatality figures are not even remotely into pandemic statistics will not deter the UK government from the narrative of a pandemic sweeps across the land !

Covid 19 has a long way to go to compete with influenza deaths globally, alas the Covid control mechanism snowball is gathering ever more momentum as the MSN regurgitates the scripted doom n gloom .

The great thing is , Covid has woken more people up to the fact the world and it’s governments  aren't what they perceived  them to be , that  realisation genie cannot be put back in the bottle 

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Desertrat56
12 minutes ago, SKINWALKER19 said:

The UK government are getting desperate now , they are conducting tests on sewage. This will obviously  be used to isolate and lockdown areas where high levels of Covid are  supposedly detected, the fact the fatality figures are not even remotely into pandemic statistics will not deter the UK government from the narrative of a pandemic sweeps across the land !

Covid 19 has a long way to go to compete with influenza deaths globally, alas the Covid control mechanism snowball is gathering ever more momentum as the MSN regurgitates the scripted doom n gloom .

The great thing is , Covid has woken more people up to the fact the world and it’s governments  aren't what they perceived  them to be , that  realisation genie cannot be put back in the bottle 

Another one.  Jeez~!

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Setton
21 minutes ago, SKINWALKER19 said:

The UK government are getting desperate now , they are conducting tests on sewage. This will obviously  be used to isolate and lockdown areas where high levels of Covid are  supposedly detected, the fact the fatality figures are not even remotely into pandemic statistics will not deter the UK government from the narrative of a pandemic sweeps across the land ! 

The definition of a pandemic has nothing to do with the number or rate of deaths.

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Covid 19 has a long way to go to compete with influenza deaths globally, alas the Covid control mechanism snowball is gathering ever more momentum as the MSN regurgitates the scripted doom n gloom .

Estimates of global flu deaths vary, ranging from 250,000-650,000 per year.¹

COVID-19 has killed over 1,140,000 in just under a year.

¹https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6815659/

²https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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bee

 

Unfortunately the coronavirus Death Numbers cannot be trusted..... this became an issue early on and continues...

It must be very difficult for doctors who are pressurized in various ways to conform to the hype and cooperate with creating and sustaining the perception that coronavirus is bad enough to warrant the draconian measures forced on the General Population and the removal of rights and freedoms that just a few months ago we took for granted... as totalitarianism creeps ever deeper into out lives... courtesy of the virus...  

This is from back in April but is still educational here in October... Dr Scott Jensen talks to Laura Ingram...

Dr. Scott Jensen With Laura Ingraham and TheRidiculous CDC Guidlines.
 

 

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Minnesota doctor questions coronavirus death toll, claims 'influenza deaths ... have been called COVID-19'

Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota family physician and Republican state senator, told "The Ingraham Angle" Tuesday that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines for doctors to certify whether a patient has died of coronavirus are a "mess" and predicted that some fatalities initially reported to be COVID-19-related would be reclassified.

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1 hour ago, SKINWALKER19 said:

The UK government are getting desperate now , they are conducting tests on sewage. This will obviously  be used to isolate and lockdown areas where high levels of Covid are  supposedly detected, the fact the fatality figures are not even remotely into pandemic statistics will not deter the UK government from the narrative of a pandemic sweeps across the land !

Covid 19 has a long way to go to compete with influenza deaths globally, alas the Covid control mechanism snowball is gathering ever more momentum as the MSN regurgitates the scripted doom n gloom .

The great thing is , Covid has woken more people up to the fact the world and it’s governments  aren't what they perceived  them to be , that  realisation genie cannot be put back in the bottle 

 

re bolded...

and it looks like Influenza deaths and 'coronavirus' deaths are being (as said by this person on Twitter... 'lumped together' - 

???

 

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SKINWALKER19

bee , your posting very informative info AND your so awake like many on the forum . UKCOLUMN that airs on Monday’s  , Wednesday’s and Fridays on YouTube is constantly showing graphs that differ from the governments on Covid . They are also demanding we hold MPs to account over the Covid narrative.

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Setton
2 hours ago, SKINWALKER19 said:

 . UKDRIVEL that airs on Monday’s  , Wednesday’s and Fridays on YouTube is constantly showing graphs that differ from the governments on Covid . They are also demanding we hold MPs to account over the Covid narrative.

Oh, well if someone on YouTube says the experts are wrong, that changes everything!

Why didn't you lead with that?

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27vet

Hi folks, I personally don't believe that any information published regarding Covid-19 can be trusted at this time, no matter what the source. There is too much interference particularly with the upcoming USA presidential elections, to be able to trust any source of information. I personally transited 3 high risk countries (USA, France, England) in March to return to my home without mask or other interference and my country has one of the lowest incidences despite being on the danger list of the USA. You tube, facebook, CNN and twitter are far from experts and have no right censoring any information. It is up to the user to consult the relevant references and decide for themselves.Our best bet is to protect the frail.

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Golden Duck
On 10/23/2020 at 2:56 AM, InconceivableThoughts said:

It is not my fault we think differently when the word "socialism" is used.

Yeah, and I would've called it a chuzzwazza.

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LightAngel
On 10/18/2020 at 5:42 AM, Goddess of the Mist said:

Unfortunately now we have yet another thing to divide us as people.  As if we needed something else.  I see society and the way people interact with each other to be in a slow decline because of all this.  

 

So you don't think we have a choice?!

I think we have a choice, but we have to be strong.

This year has been insane on so many different levels. I've been fighting with people I normally get along with - we are all a little stressed.

What is important to me is that we protect the vulnerable and act responsibly towards each other.

We shouldn't live in fear because that will just create even more significant problems in our society.

 

 

 

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psyche101
5 hours ago, SKINWALKER19 said:

bee , your posting very informative info AND your so awake like many on the forum . UKCOLUMN that airs on Monday’s  , Wednesday’s and Fridays on YouTube is constantly showing graphs that differ from the governments on Covid . They are also demanding we hold MPs to account over the Covid narrative.

No she is not, she is posting conspiracy theory rubbish. Doesn't matter what subject. Perhaps you can answer questions she cannot, like what's the big win for the government if they make everyone wear masks when they don't have to? So they just sit in a big room and chuckle at how they got people to wear masks? Some sort of Trading Places bet? 

You are just fear mongers. I think people like you are a much bigger enemy than anything a government can do. 

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InconceivableThoughts
12 hours ago, toast said:

Wrong and no, I will not provide a link because I`m not your Google monkey. 

Because its not there.

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InconceivableThoughts
11 hours ago, Setton said:

That is obvious.

You've literally just been banging on for pages about how COVID is being used as an excuse to extend postal voting in the US, without a shred of evidence, based on some mysterious global plot by equally mysterious forces.

That is the definition of a conspiracy theory.

It is a stupid opinion that does not reflect reality. You know it does not reflect reality.

Therefore you are either lying or delusional.

Which is it?

I only said that in one post about why the media in America is over hyping it so that mail in ballots will be pushed harder. I believe the numbers to be inflated. To say you know for a fact that the numbers haven't been is a stupid opinion(in my opinion of course).

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InconceivableThoughts
1 hour ago, psyche101 said:

No she is not, she is posting conspiracy theory rubbish. Doesn't matter what subject. Perhaps you can answer questions she cannot, like what's the big win for the government if they make everyone wear masks when they don't have to? So they just sit in a big room and chuckle at how they got people to wear masks? Some sort of Trading Places bet? 

You are just fear mongers. I think people like you are a much bigger enemy than anything a government can do. 

Cant you see by just us having this argument if a virus is serious or not . That in fact its not that serious. No one ever has said Ebola isnt that serious.

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41 minutes ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

Cant you see by just us having this argument if a virus is serious or not . That in fact its not that serious. No one ever has said Ebola isnt that serious.

 

yes when there was the threat of Ebola spreading we saw how an actually really dangerous virus was tackled... 

Ebola bio-hazard suit: How to wear it and what can go wrong

a daughter of my friend who is a nurse got coronavirus earlier in the year - had a couple or three of weeks off work then went back onto the wards... nursing staff don't wear the bio hazard suits that ebola necessitated .... 

people ill with suspected coronavirus are told to isolate and get better at home... that would have been unthinkable with ebola ---

 

 

 

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bee
2 hours ago, psyche101 said:

No she is not, she is posting conspiracy theory rubbish. Doesn't matter what subject. Perhaps you can answer questions she cannot, like what's the big win for the government if they make everyone wear masks when they don't have to? So they just sit in a big room and chuckle at how they got people to wear masks? Some sort of Trading Places bet? 

You are just fear mongers. I think people like you are a much bigger enemy than anything a government can do. 

 

you are welcome to your opinion  / analysis - even though you would deny others the same.... including the doctors, health professionals, experts and scientists - that are questioning what's going on and whether the lockdowns etc are necessary -

 

 

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toast
7 hours ago, 27vet said:

I personally transited 3 high risk countries (USA, France, England) in March to return to my home without mask ..

The world need more heros like you.

 

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3 hours ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

Cant you see by just us having this argument if a virus is serious or not . That in fact its not that serious. No one ever has said Ebola isnt that serious.

No-one's ever had any need to.

The entire country didn't go into lockdown for Ebola, as it was quickly controlled.

The nearest equivalent would be the 1918 influenza wave, where quarantines were imposed. During that epidemic, mask wearing also became political.

Some details from the New York Times, here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/us/mask-protests-1918.html

 

3 hours ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

I only said that in one post about why the media in America is over hyping it so that mail in ballots will be pushed harder. I believe the numbers to be inflated.

Whereas, the CDC thinks it might be underestimated:
 
mm6942e2_ExcessDeathsCOVID19_IMAGE_20Oct

More information here: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm

 

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SKINWALKER19

Setton  , I’m beginning to think your an operative of 77th brigade , that’s the online disinformation unit of the British army . They specialise in attacking any narrative that differs from the governments .

Regarding UKCOLUMN, they only use and compare statistics that are legal , this explains why they haven’t been deplatformed from YouTube as many others have !

We are now seeing Covid tests  being sent back by the participant that  have deliberately  not swabbed the inside of the the mouth or nose only to receive a positive diagnosis letter back  ............. go figure !

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