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Katniss
8 minutes ago, toast said:

I think people like the OP are still dominated by the specific genetic code which make humans open for exploration, which was and is the key to general knowledge, means, as a trigger for human progress.

Just an example: it is very likely that it happened some hundred thousands years ago that humans met a saber-toothed tiger for the very first time and no one of the bunch of fellows did know what it was. The careful ones and the smart ones of that bunch kept distance but the all-around-idiot of that bunch, the most open for exploration, gave it a try to cuddle the animal with the result that the idiot got eaten. Stricktly speaking, the idiot did a good job because since then is was known that saber-toothed tigers a dangerous and each attempt to cuddle one would result into death.

Today, all the people who want to tell us C19 isnt that dangerous are not doing a good job because they didnt experienced the disease by themselfs but copy the opinions and claims of other idiots. They are triggered by something they cant control and/or even dont know about it. In addition, these very same people do lack common sense and even basic knowledge down to a level of zero. Instead of accepting C19 as a possible danger to mankind and participate to the precaution measures, they yell around and state things like: restricrion of fundamental rights/its a hoax/some doctors said/MSM/socialism yadayadyada. Its ridiculous and dangerous.

Now hold on, Mr. Toast! Some people can't help it if they have a great heavy influence of neanderthal genes in their genetic makeup. :lol:

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InconceivableThoughts
7 minutes ago, toast said:

If you get really sick do you avoid to see a doctor because your work and the economy is above everything, even above your health? If you answer is no, then you are an inconsistent paper tiger.

If your really sick go to the doctor. Im not sure why its has to be one or the other of these ultimatums. Most healthy people have hardly any symptoms. How is that dangerous?!?! Its not. People with underlying health issues are at risk yes but there at risk for everything.. The worst thing to do is shutdown the country because of a minority that might die from a diesese that is not worse then the flu.

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InconceivableThoughts
5 minutes ago, Katniss said:

Now hold on, Mr. Toast! Some people can't help it if they have a great heavy influence of neanderthal genes in their genetic makeup. :lol:

This statement is so Ironic.

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Desertrat56
3 minutes ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

This statement is so Ironic.

Can you explain why you think that?  What does "ironic" mean?

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InconceivableThoughts

I never stated that masks dont work, never stated that this disease is fake, and never once did I attack anyone on here. My opinion is that this virus is not deadly. The numbers will eventually prove that. Inflation of numbers do not count. One more time https://time.com/5798168/coronavirus-mortality-rate/

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stereologist
41 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

From the Link you provided. the same source you used.

The second table  weekly registered deaths. (the set of figures used by the govt from the start)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/dvc1024/fig1/datadownload.xlsx

Once again the table used by the Govt on a weekly basis. A source you yourself used only a few days ago. why do you have conflicting numbers? Would you explain why the figures you provide conflict. both are ONS.

 

And you again PROVE you are wrong by pointing out that the number of flu deaths is low.

Thank you for being a huge failure and a liar. Please continue to show you lied by mixing in other deaths with flu deaths.

The number of deaths form the flu is lower than the number from COVID-19.

Why lie and then provide the definitive dat from the government to show you lied? Just plain old cluelessness on your part.

Pretending there is some sort of conflict in the numbers is not getting you out of your ludicrous failure.

Deaths from the flu in an 18 year period are approximately 1/10 the deaths from COVID-19 so far this year.

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InconceivableThoughts

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InconceivableThoughts
5 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Can you explain why you think that?  What does "ironic" mean?

Just that i find her to be a tag along with nothing of real value to add. Only thing shes said is "HOSPITAL BEDS" . Then just furthered along the attack with a snide remark. It just shows me she cant think of anything . She reminds me of that dumb side kick of the villan saying "good one boss , you really got him there".

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Katniss
57 minutes ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

I also love thats the only thing your holding on to .  People die from many different things. As we move on we will start to see that this virus is not that serious.

 

33 minutes ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

Like I said the virus is not deadly. The numbers will prove that in the end. People that would die from the flu that die from covid should not be included in the mortality rate. Im sorry i feel this way. This virus is not that serious.

And BTW. No you didn't, you said "this virus is not that serious."

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toast
7 minutes ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

Its not ridicolus to question why the government shutdown.

As there are still too much idiots who dont participate to the precaution measures, a lockdown will be the consequence.

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How can you claim something is dangerous when if the whole world got it 98 percent of the population would come out alive?

First, you 98% figure is incorrect, its 97,27% based on the current values and by math it would result into 11.3M deaths. Harmless? In addition, we dont know much about the late effects of the virus yet but it seems that there are many. Thus, its not only about the number of deaths but also about follow-up costs in the years to come, to the disadvantage of the golden calf, the economy.

BTW, risk assessement and risk management isnt your strenght, thats pretty clear.

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InconceivableThoughts
7 minutes ago, toast said:

As there are still too much idiots who dont participate to the precaution measures, a lockdown will be the consequence.

First, you 98% figure is incorrect, its 97,27% based on the current values and by math it would result into 11.3M deaths. Harmless? In addition, we dont know much about the late effects of the virus yet but it seems that there are many. Thus, its not only about the number of deaths but also about follow-up costs in the years to come, to the disadvantage of the golden calf, the economy.

BTW, risk assessement and risk management isnt your strenght, thats pretty clear.

11 million deaths? Im sorry i fail to see the severity in that . Also im guessing you didnt read my link. It clearly states that countries that test less have a higher mortality rate. Its because many people that have it arnt getting tested. Meaning the mortality rates are inflated. Again this disease is not deadly.  11 million is also a projected number. If the mortality rates are inflated and causes of death are attributed to only corona virus then yes there will be inflated numbers across the board.

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Desertrat56
26 minutes ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

What a dry shot. Its not ridicolus to question why the government shutdown. What is though is just to go along with it . How can you claim something is dangerous when if the whole world got it 98 percent of the population would come out alive?

So I am going to say what you criticized @Katniss of saying.  The shut down was because of lack of HOSPITAL BEDS.  If people just did business as usual in March and April there would be a lot more dead because of lack of hospital resources, and yes, many of those would not have been because they got the virus, but something worse, critical injuries or illnesses that would not have been treated.  You might think that what was reported in NYC was all a hoax but it was real.  ER rooms were moved to the parking lot because the hospitals were overflowing.  I know it was true because I am related to a nurse who worked in a covid ward in NYC. Because of politics they did not even have the supplies, like masks, that they needed to take care of the patients and themselves.   Imagine if the businesses had not been closed and people were not told to stay home, NYC would not have recovered, many more people would have died.

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InconceivableThoughts

Picking at straws are we?

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InconceivableThoughts
1 minute ago, Desertrat56 said:

So I am going to say what you criticized @Katniss of saying.  The shut down was because of lack of HOSPITAL BEDS.  If people just did business as usual in March and April there would be a lot more dead because of lack of hospital resources, and yes, many of those would not have been because they got the virus, but something worse, critical injuries or illnesses that would not have been treated.  You might think that what was reported in NYC was all a hoax but it was real.  ER rooms were moved to the parking lot because the hospitals were overflowing.  I know it was true because I am related to a nurse who worked in a covid ward in NYC. Because of politics they did not even have the supplies, like masks, that they needed to take care of the patients and themselves.   Imagine if the businesses had not been closed and people were not told to stay home, NYC would not have recovered, many more people would have died.

How many times do i have to say that its not serious. If there wasnt a hord of non life threating corna virus infecties then there would of been plenty of room for the people that needed it. No but the government pushed for testing and got its wish with droves of people going in that wasnt even necessary. Healthy people do not die from this disease!

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InconceivableThoughts

A inflated less then 3 percent mortality rate is not serious. Especially when most of that 3 percent would of died from the flu.

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stereologist
32 minutes ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

Like I said the virus is not deadly. The numbers will prove that in the end. People that would die from the flu that die from covid should not be included in the mortality rate. Im sorry i feel this way. This virus is not that serious.

The data is clear that COVID-19 is deadlier than the flu. 

In the UK there have been 10 times as many deaths from COVID-19 as there were from the flu in the years 2001 to 2018.

In the US there are 60,000 deaths from the flu in a year, assuming a bigger death count, and so far over 220,000 deaths from COVID-19.

The same exists for countries across the world.

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stevewinn
20 minutes ago, stereologist said:

And you again PROVE you are wrong by pointing out that the number of flu deaths is low.

Thank you for being a huge failure and a liar. Please continue to show you lied by mixing in other deaths with flu deaths.

The number of deaths form the flu is lower than the number from COVID-19.

Why lie and then provide the definitive dat from the government to show you lied? Just plain old cluelessness on your part.

Pretending there is some sort of conflict in the numbers is not getting you out of your ludicrous failure.

Deaths from the flu in an 18 year period are approximately 1/10 the deaths from COVID-19 so far this year.

Very strange behaviour, Its clear from my post what the discussion was about. you jumped in with liar accusations. and i've proved my case many times over with the stats and sources. but you never had the good grace to retract your accusation. Now many days later and no doubt many hours googling you thought you found the silver bullet in disproving. Yet you post conflicting numbers. and even when asked to explain this conflict between two sources your are unable to answer it. my suspicion is you cant tell why.

 

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Once again economic shutdown is the worst thing we could of done it will affect the next generations for years to come all because of fear mongering and what I believe to some sort of hidden agenda. One idea is its because they wanted mail in ballots to become nation wide. So to make it easier to change the outcome of an election.

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toast
34 minutes ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

The worst thing to do is shutdown the country because of a minority that might die from a diesese that is not worse then the flu.

CT blabla^^. First, C19 is more deadly than the flu and 2nd, we do have flue vaccines so your statement is pointless. In addition, you are selfish at a very high degree because you place your personal (economic) advantage above the health of others, maybe you have to because of the rotten or not existing social system in your country.

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InconceivableThoughts
3 minutes ago, stereologist said:

The data is clear that COVID-19 is deadlier than the flu. 

In the UK there have been 10 times as many deaths from COVID-19 as there were from the flu in the years 2001 to 2018.

In the US there are 60,000 deaths from the flu in a year, assuming a bigger death count, and so far over 220,000 deaths from COVID-19.

The same exists for countries across the world.

Ummm cite? I know your rather intellegent so why must i keep repeating the word inflation. 

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3 minutes ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

to make it easier to change the outcome of an election.

How?

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stereologist
3 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Very strange behaviour, Its clear from my post what the discussion was about. you jumped in with liar accusations. and i've proved my case many times over with the stats and sources. but you never had the good grace to retract your accusation. Now many days later and no doubt many hours googling you thought you found the silver bullet in disproving. Yet you post conflicting numbers. and even when asked to explain this conflict between two sources your are unable to answer it. my suspicion is you cant tell why.

 

You've shown that you continue to lie and you even post the evidence showing you lied.

Flu deaths are below COVID-19 deaths and will continue to do so since COVID-19 is deadlier than the flu.

You've repeated posted ONS data showing you are not to be trusted. 

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toast
10 minutes ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

Healthy people do not die from this disease!

Wrong.

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stereologist
19 minutes ago, InconceivableThoughts said:

11 million deaths? Im sorry i fail to see the severity in that . Also im guessing you didnt read my link. It clearly states that countries that test less have a higher mortality rate. Its because many people that have it arnt getting tested. Meaning the mortality rates are inflated. Again this disease is not deadly.  11 million is also a projected number. If the mortality rates are inflated and causes of death are attributed to only corona virus then yes there will be inflated numbers across the board.

Your inference is not based on facts, but your bad inference.

You should learn how CFRs and IFRs are computed and you will see that "Meaning the mortality rates are inflated" is telling us you don't understand the manner in which these values are computed.

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InconceivableThoughts
5 minutes ago, toast said:

CT blabla^^. First, C19 is more deadly than the flu and 2nd, we do have flue vaccines so your statement is pointless. In addition, you are selfish at a very high degree because you place your personal (economic) advantage above the health of others, maybe you have to because of the rotten or not existing social system in your country.

Personal??? I havent quit working. Not once since this all started. Its not about me . its about the future. Im thinking about all the small buisness owners that have to file bankruptcy. Lifes ruined over something that IMO was not serious enough for economic shutdown. While all the big corporations will just be bailed out with my tax dollars. Yes wear maks , wash hands, keep distance but down destroy the livelihoods of millions. When 97 percent of the population is safe other then from flu like symptoms.

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