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Schoolteacher beheaded in France

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Wepwawet

Reminds me not so much of the major atrocities France has been subjected to, but that of the priest who had his throat cut while he was celebrating morning Mass. Sometimes these smaller attacks seem more brutal. Time to avoid the media for a day or so to avoid the apologists for terror....

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papageorge1

the attacker was an 18-year-old man of Chechen origin

 

Same as the young Boston Marathon attackers. Suggests similar backgrounds and motivations coupled with immature pespectives. 

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Solipsi Rai

Again, terrorism strikes France and they had enough of years of bombings, stabbings, shootings, hostage situations and hostile encounters with the police. France had racial rioting during the COVID-19 lockdown back in April involved North Africans who claim they were constant victims of police brutality and blamed for the pandemic in the country (i.e. "bio weapon terrorism" theories). Muslims in France (mostly of Algerian, Moroccan and Tunisian descent) are a minority group in a similar position like African-Americans in the US, and the inequality they face can make some French Muslims turn to radical Islamism. Knowing French history since my father is from there (the Nord Pas-de-Calais region), France ruled North Africa until the late 1950s-early 1960s. My thoughts and prayers to the teacher who was beheaded, because political extremism doesn't solve social problems, it only leads to murder.   

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Aroundthecorner
1 hour ago, Solipsi Rai said:

Again, terrorism strikes France and they had enough of years of bombings, stabbings, shootings, hostage situations and hostile encounters with the police. France had racial rioting during the COVID-19 lockdown back in April involved North Africans who claim they were constant victims of police brutality and blamed for the pandemic in the country (i.e. "bio weapon terrorism" theories). Muslims in France (mostly of Algerian, Moroccan and Tunisian descent) are a minority group in a similar position like African-Americans in the US, and the inequality they face can make some French Muslims turn to radical Islamism. Knowing French history since my father is from there (the Nord Pas-de-Calais region), France ruled North Africa until the late 1950s-early 1960s. My thoughts and prayers to the teacher who was beheaded, because political extremism doesn't solve social problems, it only leads to murder.   

Religion strikes again and all because a teacher dared show a cartoon, condolences to his family. 

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itsnotoutthere

Ah well, 'all part of life in the big city' as Mayor Khan would say.

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Solipsi Rai
15 hours ago, Aroundthecorner said:

Religion strikes again and all because a teacher dared show a cartoon, condolences to his family. 

It is forbidden for Muslims to draw images of the Prophet Muhammad, this is what triggered the Charlie Hebdo shootings 5 years ago, and just like back then, it's still not an excuse to murder someone. 

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itsnotoutthere
2 minutes ago, Solipsi Rai said:

It is forbidden for Muslims to draw images of the Prophet Muhammad, this is what triggered the Charlie Hebdo shootings 5 years ago, and just like back then, it's still not an excuse to murder someone. 

Well, patently it is an excuse for some.

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Wepwawet

Number of people beheaded or killed in some other way as the result of "The Life of Brian" = 0

Bishop Mervyn Stockwood called it blasphemy and said it should be banned, and so did the usual ragbag of holier than thou po-faced puritan busybodies, but their red-faced harumphing was a bad as it got.

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Setton
13 minutes ago, Wepwawet said:

Number of people beheaded or killed in some other way as the result of "The Life of Brian" = 0

Bishop Mervyn Stockwood called it blasphemy and said it should be banned, and so did the usual ragbag of holier than thou po-faced puritan busybodies, but their red-faced harumphing was a bad as it got.

Interestingly, if they actually watched it, Life of Brian is pretty much faithful to the story in the Bible. It's just Brian only crosses over with Jesus once or twice.

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third_eye

Brian was just a naughty boy, The Last Temptation of Christ though... 

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Abramelin
19 hours ago, Wepwawet said:

Number of people beheaded or killed in some other way as the result of "The Life of Brian" = 0

Bishop Mervyn Stockwood called it blasphemy and said it should be banned, and so did the usual ragbag of holier than thou po-faced puritan busybodies, but their red-faced harumphing was a bad as it got.

Christians have an advantage of some 5 centuries. How did those Christians behave in the 15th century? Think "Inquisition" or "Holy Crusades" or "witch hunts".

And this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_antisemitism

 

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Wepwawet
1 hour ago, Abramelin said:

Christians have an advantage of some 5 centuries. How did those Christians behave in the 15th century? Think "Inquisition" or "Holy Crusades" or "witch hunts".

And this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_antisemitism

 

A while back, somebody whose name I don't remember, said that a major difference between Christianity and Islam is that they have not yet had their Reformation and Enlightenment. This, as you point out, is why in the 500 years since the Reformation we have moved on from religious inspired barbarity, though not from barbarity per se as the 20th Century has shown. It was also on the verge of the Reformation, and near the tail end of the process and the religious wars, that Jews came in from the cold, as it were. First with Pope Alexander VI when he allowed them into Rome, and then in England with Cromwell. Venice was part of this as well.

However, Islam and the Muslim world is not Europe at the turn of the 15th Century, and I do not see the same processes about to take place, no Savonarola and no Martin Luther, both very much products of the Europe of their day, and of the Humanism that had emerged, though Savonarola would of course disagree with Humanisn. There is also the irony that some of what was lost of the ancient world came back into Europe via the Muslims, or as a result of their actions, ie the fall of Constantinople. There is no equivalent today.

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itsnotoutthere
1 hour ago, Abramelin said:

Christians have an advantage of some 5 centuries. How did those Christians behave in the 15th century? Think "Inquisition" or "Holy Crusades" or "witch hunts".

And this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_antisemitism

 

And how is that response at all relevant to islamic beheadings in 21st century Europe, is it in some way to mitigate the barbarity of it? Are you suggesting that in some way we all deserve it? Please explain your connection of this weeks beheading of a young teacher in a Paris suberb with anything that happened in the middle ages.

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Abramelin

No, but every nation, and every religion has blood on its hands.

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itsnotoutthere
1 minute ago, Abramelin said:

No, but every nation, and every religion has blood on its hands.

Er...no it's not on our hands, its on their hands the ones who died 500 years ago ......whereas modern islam....

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Abramelin

Like I said: we have the advantage of like 5 centuries. Muslims are catching up.

Does that make what happens any less horrible? Of course not.

And those who know me personally know how I respond to fck ups like that Chechen son of a ***ch.

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itsnotoutthere
9 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Like I said: we have the advantage of like 5 centuries. Muslims are catching up.

Does that make what happens any less horrible? Of course not.

And those who know me personally know how I respond to fck ups like that Chechen son of a ***ch.

When you say 'catching up' what do you mean exactly?

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Abramelin

That they are mimicking the way Christians behaved centuries ago.

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itsnotoutthere

The silence of the anti-fascists

Where is the outrage over the medieval murder of Samuel Paty?

"And yet the self-styled anti-fascists of the European and American left have said barely a word. There have been no big protests outside of France, no angry rallies, no Twitterstorms, no knee-taking or fist-raising, no promises by ‘Antifa’ to face down these extremists who slaughter schoolteachers for talking about liberty. Their craven, cowardly silence is as revealing as it is depressing.

After every Islamist terror attack, we hear the same thing from significant sections of the Western left, including those who style themselves as anti-fascist. Their first concern is always, but always, that an Islamist terror attack might give rise to an ‘Islamophobic’ backlash. We have to be careful about how we talk about Islamist terrorism, they say, or we might help to make Muslim communities into targets for racist violence. This is such a morally warped response to the extremist violence of radical Islamists. Imagine if, following an act of far-right violence carried out by a white man, someone said ‘Let’s not get too angry about this because we might alienate white people and put them at risk’.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/10/18/the-silence-of-the-anti-fascists/

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Setton
32 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

The silence of the anti-fascists

Where is the outrage over the medieval murder of Samuel Paty?

"And yet the self-styled anti-fascists of the European and American left have said barely a word. There have been no big protests outside of France, no angry rallies, no Twitterstorms, no knee-taking or fist-raising, no promises by ‘Antifa’ to face down these extremists who slaughter schoolteachers for talking about liberty. 

Because these murderers are already held accountable under the law.

Are you finished or do you want to politicise this more?

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itsnotoutthere
58 minutes ago, Setton said:

Because these murderers are already held accountable under the law.

Are you finished or do you want to politicise this more?

All murderers are accountable under the law, including the policeman who killed Mr Floyd, It didn't stop leftwing activists politicizing it (for months on end & in the process killing 4 black police officers) though did it.

Are you finished or do you want to sidestep the point some more?

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Setton
2 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

All murderers are accountable under the law, including the policeman who killed Mr Floyd, It didn't stop leftwing activists politicizing it (for months on end & in the process killing 4 black police officers) though did it.

Are you finished or do you want to sidestep the point some more?

And yet there are plenty of police officers, in plenty of countries, who are still not held to account.

Besides, you protest to create change. You protest against the abuse of power by the authorities because maybe the authorities will listen.

Do you really think Islamist extremists will change their mind because anyone protests?

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