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George Floyds case and trial

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spartan max2
1 hour ago, Eldorado said:

This is interesting...

MPD training materials show knee-to-neck restraint similar to the one used on Floyd

1minute 44secs:

 

Yeah this whole trial really comes down to: did the cop do what he training taught him to do not did he not.

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Raptor Witness
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7 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

They didn't get a "stat" call, when they arrived the realized it was a stat call.    

The first pandemic testified that the call was upgraded while they were in route.

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Desertrat56
1 minute ago, Raptor Witness said:

The first pandemic testified that the call was upgraded while they were in route.

Right, but they didn't know it was upgraded until they arrived and by the time the rest of the crew arrived they had taken Floyd and left because of the crowd.   They did not do anything wrong.   So is that what your point is, that they were negligent, or do you just like to argue?   

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the13bats
10 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

In my opinion Floyd died of the overdoses of drugs. He was high in the store and took more drugs he got from a guy in his car, he hid in his mouth . The cops did not killed him, but just did their jobs of holding him down after his struggle of getting a arrest in the police car. The cops did know something was wrong in him holding him down. They called a ambulance.

Nope,

Read this carefully...

8 hours ago, aztek said:

does not matter how fast emt got there,  cops wouldn't allow them to touch anyone until cops "are done with him" happened many times before, especially after shootings, cops wont let ems save  a suspect, cops wait till he dies. 

floyd and gardner were held in a positions they could not breathe for over 5 min not by accident, cops know after 4 min with no o2  a brain starts dying.  any cpr class teaches that,  and cops are cpr certified  

Face it docy the cops contributed to floyds death, caused it at that time.

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the13bats
7 hours ago, WVK said:

Then  why would  a veteran cop  do this to Floyd knowing the the entire world are  potentially witnesses?

Whats the story on floyd and chauvyn knowing each other before chauvyn causing floyds  death?

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Raptor Witness
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2 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

Right, but they didn't know it was upgraded until they arrived and by the time the rest of the crew arrived they had taken Floyd and left because of the crowd.   They did not do anything wrong.   So is that what your point is, that they were negligent, or do you just like to argue?   

You obviously didn’t listen to that part of the first paramedic’s testimony, about the change in status from a non-life threatening “mouth injury” while in route. The guy went into a lot of detail about the change in the call status. He said they started out without any lights and sirens and then they switched over to sirens and lights.

 

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On 3/6/2021 at 9:52 PM, South Alabam said:

And now you can see why this Officer who put his knee on the mans air supply for 9 minutes is on trial.

What Chauvin did he was TRAINED to do.  It was policy.  If that technique compromised airways it wouldn't have become policy.  It was a knee on Floyd's neck, but NOT in a place that could cause compression of his airway.

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South Alabam
1 hour ago, and then said:

What Chauvin did he was TRAINED to do.  It was policy.  If that technique compromised airways it wouldn't have become policy.  It was a knee on Floyd's neck, but NOT in a place that could cause compression of his airway.

Well he may have been trained to do it, but even at the trial everyone is saying it was unreasonable because of the length of time. Unless there is another reason he is on trial?

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Agent0range
2 hours ago, and then said:

What Chauvin did he was TRAINED to do.  It was policy.  If that technique compromised airways it wouldn't have become policy.  It was a knee on Floyd's neck, but NOT in a place that could cause compression of his airway.

He was trained to kneel on someone's neck, after multiple minutes, apply more pressure to the neck, while they were in control?  As former military, and current law enforcement, I don't think that's true one bit.  When dealing with someone, the key words to keep yourself out of trouble are "the least amount of force necessary."  When your coworkers are questioning your actions, and people that outrank you are questioning your actions on the stand...you done f'd up.

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docyabut2

It was so sad to see Floyd dying from a overdose of drugs frown.gif but sad to, to see the police doing their job training. Hope the trial comes out ok, and there's no more rioting and killing police.

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aztek

so other cops deny it was the training while we have training manual cover that has picture of that exact restraint lol,   i wonder how many cops will be willing to perjure themselves on the stand

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spartan max2
43 minutes ago, aztek said:

so other cops deny it was the training while we have training manual cover that has picture of that exact restraint lol,   i wonder how many cops will be willing to perjure themselves on the stand

No one's denying he was trained to use that type of restraint.

It's about whatever he was trained to use it in that type of scenario.

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17 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

 

It's about whatever he was trained to use it in that type of scenario.

i do not think it works that way, there is no way to predict any scenario, and one can turn into a very different one in an instant,  he was combative and non compliant from the start  so restraint was necessary.  cops are not trained to make you comfortable, or to hurt you the least,  they are trained to get compliance, use force to achieve it, if resistance met,  and protect themselves,   hundreds if not thousands of cases of alleged excessive force, that went to court in 99,9% cases were dropped,

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Cookie Monster
On 10/23/2020 at 1:21 AM, docyabut2 said:

According to prosecutors’ notes, Hennepin County Medical Examiner Andrew Baker told prosecutors that absent other apparent causes of death, it “could be acceptable” to rule the death an overdose, based on the level of fentanyl in Floyd’s system. A separate autopsy commissioned for Floyd’s family concluded he died of asphyxiation due to neck and back compression,

So I guess in the trial its going to depend in which the death was, an overdose, based on the level of fentanyl in Floyd’s system? or the separate autopsy commissioned for Floyd’s family concluded he died of asphyxiation due to neck and back compression? eight minutes ?

The prosecution team have to show beyond a reasonable doubt that the cop killed or murdered Floyd.

I dont know how many jury members are on the panel but lets say 90% have to agree on a verdict. Its just not going to pass. If they could prove the cop was racist, had violent tendencies, and Floyd didn`t have drugs in his system they would get the murder conviction. As it is the Jury are unlikely to deliver a unanimous verdict or even nearly one with 1 or 2 Jurys going against the panel.

They may have got a lessor charge of corporate manslaughter to stick due to the training manual of the police force, but even that isn`t a certainty because of the fentanyl in his system. All it would take is for the question would he have died if his system wasn`t under the extra pressure of illegal narcotics and the case is shredded. I`m surprised it made it to court and its obviously politically motivated.

The Jury would have been chosen because they are neutral on the case, neither swept along by the BLM hysteria or biased against people of a different race. While emotions may still be running high due to the death of Floyd the Jury are chosen to be impartial.

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Desertrat56
5 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

It was so sad to see Floyd dying from a overdose of drugs frown.gif but sad to, to see the police doing their job training. Hope the trial comes out ok, and there's no more rioting and killing police.

I suspect that if he is not convicted of at least manslaughter there will be lots of rioting.   The press and politicians have been priming for this kind of thing for quite a while.  That's why this case go the attention, and all the others that happened almost exactly like it across the country did not (also because most of those were not a white cop and a black man, so they did not fit the propaganda narrative)

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DieChecker

The problem i have isn't if he was trained to use the knee, but that he purposefully rejected reconsidering using it, even after several onlookers, and at least one other officer, suggested he reconsider. 

That purposeful rejection is what is going to get him a Murder3, or Manslaughter, conviction. 

I do think that regardless if he is convicted, that if he's not convicted of Murder1, there will be race riots.

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DieChecker
On 4/3/2021 at 8:41 AM, Desertrat56 said:

I suspect that if he is not convicted of at least manslaughter there will be lots of rioting.   The press and politicians have been priming for this kind of thing for quite a while.  That's why this case go the attention, and all the others that happened almost exactly like it across the country did not (also because most of those were not a white cop and a black man, so they did not fit the propaganda narrative)

I think the odds of him not being convicted, as a minimum, of manslaughter, is remote. But if he is found not guilty.... Riots for sure.

There could even be riots if any of the other three officers is found not guilty. 

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Posted (edited)

 Floyd was  dying from a overdose of drugs frown.gif his girlfriend said he had a over dose in march   a foaming in his mouth and the witnesses  saw  him foaming in his mouth .the cops didn't kill him :( 

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sorry if it was a white guy it would not have went on as racismfrown.gif

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Hugh Mungus
8 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

sorry if it was a white guy it would not have went on as racismfrown.gif

This is correct. But regardless of race, having 4 times the lethal dose of fentanyl in your system is usually a sign that your going to die regardless of what others are doing or not doing 

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Posted (edited)
44 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

 Floyd was  dying from a overdose of drugs frown.gif his girlfriend said he had a over dose in march   a foaming in his mouth and the witnesses  saw  him foaming in his mouth .the cops didn't kill him :( 

 

21 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

sorry if it was a white guy it would not have went on as racismfrown.gif

Your bigotry is showing,

The cop/cops contributed to that man dying at that time im just glad i do not have to decide to what degree they caused him to die at that time, im driven by logic not racism, racium clouds rational thinking.

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On 4/3/2021 at 5:59 AM, docyabut2 said:

It was so sad to see Floyd dying from a overdose of drugs frown.gif but sad to, to see the police doing their job training. Hope the trial comes out ok, and there's no more rioting and killing police.

It was sad to see cops contributing to the mans death at that time,

The police went overboard,

The courts now decide to what degree cops mucked up and caused a man to die at that time.

I agree i hope the outcome of this trail is fair and not used as an excuse to run amuck.

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docyabut2
Posted (edited)

They cant tried it was the police  they were the police that was fighting in him in the police car  rocking him back and fourth  and went into the down fall in his arrest  when he went  down in his is over dose.:)

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the13bats
Posted (edited)
16 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

They cant tried it was the police  they were the police that was fighting in him in the police car  rocking him back and fourth  when he went in  to the over dose

Huh?  the cop with his knee to floyds neck for over 9min contributed to his death at that time, it wasnt in a car, if floyd went in OD then the cop should have removed his knee and helped save him not continue to assist in him dying at thst moment.

Watch the trial.

Fīat jūstitia ruat cælum

 

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docyabut2
2 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Huh?  the cop with his knee to floyds nevk for over 9min contributed to his death at that time.

Watch the trial.

Fīat jūstitia ruat cælum

 

I and watching  the trial. and the defensed of the police  of the jury

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