Still Waters Posted October 27, 2020 #1 Share Posted October 27, 2020 The definition of dog heaven is straightforward enough: bottomless biscuits, walks on demand, squirrels you can actually catch. Whether it exists is a thornier question. But according to a new study, owners of all kinds of domestic animals have become more likely to believe in a pet afterlife – and have used gravestones and memorials to express their faith that they will one day be reunited. A new analysis published in the journal Antiquity, examining the history of pet cemeteries in Newcastle and London over 100 years from 1881, found an increase in the proportion of graves that reference the animals’ immortal souls. “Few 19th-century gravestones reference an afterlife, although some may ‘hope’ to see their loved ones again,” said Dr Eric Tourigny, author of the study, who looked at more than 1,000 animal headstones. “By the mid-20th century, a greater proportion of animal gravestones suggest owners were awaiting a reunion in the afterlife.” https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/oct/27/do-all-dogs-go-to-heaven-pet-owners-increasingly-think-so-says-study https://www.inverse.com/culture/pet-cemetery-study 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted October 27, 2020 #2 Share Posted October 27, 2020 I wouldn't accept any concept of an afterlife without dogs!!!! What sort of an afterlife would that be! See. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted October 27, 2020 #3 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 hour ago, psyche101 said: I wouldn't accept any concept of an afterlife without dogs!!!! What sort of an afterlife would that be! One run by cats 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendy Demon Posted October 27, 2020 #4 Share Posted October 27, 2020 How is a belief in an afterlife for a non-human any different than one for humans? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted October 27, 2020 #5 Share Posted October 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, Bendy Demon said: How is a belief in an afterlife for a non-human any different than one for humans? For some, the concept of an immortal soul is restricted to humans and is what separates us from beasts. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted October 27, 2020 #6 Share Posted October 27, 2020 My bird hung around for a while. Still rides my shoulder frequently in my dreams, but that could just be a dream. For about three or four years after he died I would find his feathers. I tore up the carpet and refinished the hardwood floors and still found his feathers. He used to run along the back of the sofa while I sat there, I got a new sofa and love seat and would still find his feathers on the back of the new sofa. His empty cage still sits in the corner where it always has because I want him to feel like he's still welcome to hang out. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted October 27, 2020 #7 Share Posted October 27, 2020 11 hours ago, psyche101 said: I wouldn't accept any concept of an afterlife without dogs!!!! What sort of an afterlife would that be! A sh-- one,don't worry 101 they will be there waiting for us. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted October 28, 2020 #8 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Tatetopa said: For some, the concept of an immortal soul is restricted to humans and is what separates us from beasts. true There is a (philosophical/theological) difference between having your pet animals reincarnated with you after death, and there being animals in the after life Traditional christianity allows for the presence of all animals in an after life (on the new earth) which means you could have companions, but it doesn't allow for the reincarnation, or rebirth, of a dog's conscious self awareness, because that is not recognised to exist, as it does with humans If my wife and i encountered all our "pet" animals after rebirth it would be interesting. There would be two dozen dogs, a few dozen cats, 13-20 sheep, half a dozen cattle, and numerous guinea fowl, bantams, peacocks, rabbits, guinea pigs, silk worms, bantams, ducks, native birds like magpies and wattle birds, and lizards, as well as a dozen goldfish . We would need one of the bigger mansions to accommodate them all Even then, with plenty of space, it would be interesting to watch them all establish the new "pecking order." Cats on top, of course, but WHICH cat ? Mufti the Chinchilla Persian, or Christmas, the jet black stray, who arrived as a starving kitten on our back ramp on the farm on christmas day and lived for a record setting 26 years (longest lived cat treated and recorded in our state according to the vet) Possibly even our latest, "Precious," who survived a dog attack which killed his siblings when they were very young by taking refuge in the engine of a motor car, and now bosses our two golden retrievers/labs Beau and Misty, and even the boisterous kelpie, Ruby. Interesting to watch a 5 kg cat push around a 30 kg dog, or one evolved to hunt and round up other animals.I am not surprised the labs allow themselves to be bossed around as they have a good temperament but The kepie should be harder to dominate The kepie chases the cat across the yard , then the cat turns around and biffs her on the nose , and Ruby runs away. The dogs have two rugs to lie on, but if the cat demands one for herself, it gets it, no argument. The 3 dogs then have to try and fit on the remaining rug. Edited October 28, 2020 by Mr Walker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eight bits Posted October 28, 2020 #9 Share Posted October 28, 2020 For those who want to read the original article, it's open access (free to read): https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/antiquity/article/do-all-dogs-go-to-heaven-tracking-humananimal-relationships-through-the-archaeological-survey-of-pet-cemeteries/F44BE9BC2990709675C9A15D340D7F5F/core-reader# Although the study concerns modern expressions of human attitudes about other animals via funerary arrangements, there is a strong suspicion that some ancient people have done similar things. https://uncertaintist.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/did-long-ago-people-think-that-dogs-have-souls/ As to the title question of the new article, Do all dogs go to heaven? If any dog can't get into heaven, then the rest of us are in big trouble. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted October 28, 2020 #10 Share Posted October 28, 2020 20 hours ago, RoofGardener said: One run by cats There's motive there...... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted October 28, 2020 #11 Share Posted October 28, 2020 10 hours ago, openozy said: A sh-- one,don't worry 101 they will be there waiting for us. Well if there is and I get there and no dogs.... I'm leaving. In a huff! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted October 28, 2020 #12 Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 hours ago, psyche101 said: There's motive there...... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted October 28, 2020 #13 Share Posted October 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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openozy Posted October 28, 2020 #16 Share Posted October 28, 2020 7 hours ago, psyche101 said: Lucky guy,lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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