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"Though rogue planets (those without stars) have been discovered before, they're extremely hard to spot."

https://www.foxnews.com/science/bizarre-earth-sized-rogue-planet-floating-milky-way

 

 

 

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From the vast quantity of matter circulating in space, small planets may slowly accumulate. They grow by meteoric accretion and by minor collisions. In certain sectors of space, conditions favor such forms of planetary birth. Many an inhabited world has had such an origin.


Collisional debris often constitutes the material nucleuses for the subsequent formation of planetary bodies adapted to mortal habitation.


As your star students scan the heavens, they will seldom detect evidence of the formation of those small, nonluminous collections of matter which serve as inhabited planets, the most important of the vast material creations

 

- The Urantia Book 

 

 

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Davros of Skaro

Nothing phenomenal in knowledge at the time of the UB's creation. Yet you continue to ignore the blatant errors it contains.

 

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4 minutes ago, Davros of Skaro said:

Nothing phenomenal in knowledge at the time of the UB's creation.

:tsu:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Worlds_Collide

"Sven Bronson, a Swedish astronomer working at an observatory in South Africa, discovers a pair of rogue planets, Bronson Alpha and Bronson Beta, which will soon enter the Solar System."

-1933

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Davros of Skaro
4 minutes ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

:tsu:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Worlds_Collide

"Sven Bronson, a Swedish astronomer working at an observatory in South Africa, discovers a pair of rogue planets, Bronson Alpha and Bronson Beta, which will soon enter the Solar System."

-1933

In Will's mind it just confirms the UB anyway.

Muslims have Will beat in the mental gymnastics reality dodge game. 

Koran Debunked By What It Really Says

Marmaduke Pickthall translation is used because it's the most honest, and does not use the cheating brackets "[ ]" that later translations use to assert meanings to fit modern knowledge. Classical Arabic is a sloppy language since one word can be stuffed with many meanings (good for making words rhyme).

4.082 *"Will they not then ponder on the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah they would have found therein much incongruity."*

Challenge accepted.

21.030 *"Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water. Will they not then believe?"*

Muslim apologists point to this verse as evidence that knowledge of the Big Bang theory (the universe started out as a single point then expanded) is revealed, and the fact that we are made up of mostly water. Actually it's a vague reference to Genesis in the OT where the Earth was entirely covered in water (one piece) which God separated, and brought life from the water.

Genesis 1:2a (NRSV) "the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep,"

1:6b "let it separate the waters from the waters."

1:20a "And God said, "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures,"

The Koran is just a muddy (pun intended) plagiarism of the OT.

25.054a *"And He it is Who hath created man from water,"*

23.012 *"Verily We created man from a product of wet earth"*

It just coincides with Genesis in that man was created with wet mud.

Genesis 2:6b-:7a "water the whole face of the ground - then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground,"

So what is the "forbidding ban between them", and "barrier between the two seas"?

25.053 *"And He it is Who hath given independence to the two seas (though they meet); one palatable, sweet, and the other saltish, bitter; and hath set a bar and a forbidding ban between them."*

27.061 *"Is not He (best) Who made the earth a fixed abode, and hath set a barrier between the two seas. Is there any God beside Allah ? Nay, but most of them know not!"*

55.019-020 *"He hath loosed the two seas. They meet. There is a barrier between them. They encroach not (one upon the other)."*

Apologists like to cherry pick these verses to coincide with the modern discovery of density barriers found in the deepest oceans. The truth is the Koran is talking about the molten glass dome firmament coming down 360° that separates and holds up the ocean of Heaven. For this is why the sky is blue and rain comes from Heaven.

Genesis 1:6a "And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters,"

Just look at the blue sky coming down meeting, but not mixing with the ocean on the horizon.

016.014a *"And He it is Who hath constrained the sea..."*

1:7 "So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so."

14a "And God said, “Let there be lights in the dome of the sky"

Psalm 148:4-6 "Praise him, you highest heavens, and you waters above the heavens! Let them praise the name of the LORD, for he commanded and they were created. He established them forever and ever; he fixed their bounds, which cannot be passed."

Proverbs 8:28-29 "when he made firm the skies above, when he established the fountains of the deep, when he assigned to the sea its limit, so that the waters might not transgress his command, when he marked out the foundations of the earth,"

Job 37:18 "Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard as a molten mirror?"

Job 23:12, :14c “Is not God high in the heavens? See the highest stars, how lofty they are!" "...and he walks on the dome of heaven.’"

54.011 *"Then opened We the gates of heaven with pouring water"*

Genesis 7:11d "...and the windows of the heavens were opened."

8:2bc "the windows of the heavens were closed, the rain from the heavens was restrained,"

Isaiah 24:18b "For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble."

Also the Koran says (27.061) that the Earth is *"a fixed abode"* which affirms the OT.

1 Samuel 2:8b "For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s, and on them he has set the world."

Job 9:6c "...who shakes the earth out of its place, and its pillars tremble;"

Psalm 75:3c, 82:5c, 102:25a, 104:5

"...it is I who keep its pillars steady."

"...all the foundations of the earth are shaken."

"Long ago you laid the foundation of the earth,"

"You set the earth on its foundations, so that it shall never be shaken."

Job 26:7b "...and hangs the earth upon nothing." (Note: The Earth orbits by gravity which is not nothing)

The Koran reflects ancient cosmology meanwhile apologists try to put a "what we now know" spin on it. Of course ancient people seen how vast the land and sky is. Both are using the argument from ignorance (look at everything therefore God did it).

051.047-048 *"We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof). And the earth have We laid out, how gracious is the Spreader (thereof)!"*

Modern translations/apologists try to word the above to sound like the Big Bang, but it's just the OT God myth separating and stretching out what was already there (no creatio ex nihilo).

Isaiah 40:22 "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in;"

Isaiah 42:5a 5 "Thus says God, the LORD, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and what comes from it,"

The Koran does talk of terrestrial fresh/salt seas.

35.012 *"And the two seas are not alike: this, fresh, sweet, good to drink, this (other) bitter, salt. And from them both ye eat fresh meat and derive the ornament that ye wear. And thou seest the ship cleaving them with its prow that ye may seek of His bounty, and that haply ye may give thanks."*

The moon gives it's own light.

71.016 *"And hath made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp?"*

25.061b *"...and hath placed therein a great lamp and a moon giving light!"*

Genesis 1:16ab "God made the two great lights — the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night"

The Sun has an orbit.

21.033bc *"...the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit."*

36.040 *"It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit."*

55.005 *"The sun and the moon are made punctual."*

Ecclesiastes 1:5 "The sun rises and the sun goes down, and hurries to the place where it rises."

Joshua 10:12-14 "On the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the Israelites, Joshua spoke to the Lord; and he said in the sight of Israel, “Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and Moon, in the valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in midheaven, and did not hurry to set for about a whole day. There has been no day like it before or since, when the Lord heeded a human voice; for the Lord fought for Israel."

Psalm 19:1, :4c-6 "The heavens are telling the glory of God; and the firmament proclaims his handiwork." "...In the heavens he has set a tent for the sun, which comes out like a bridegroom from his wedding canopy, and like a strong man runs its course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them; and nothing is hid from its heat."

A Common Cosmology of the Ancient World

https://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/ngier/gre13.htm

"Finally, it is worth pointing out that the world picture of the Jewish people, as reconstructed from various passages in the Bible, was essentially the same as that of the Egyptians and the Babylonians. ...The flat, disc-shaped Earth is surrounded by a sea; beneath the Earth, there are wells and fountains connected with the upper part of the Earth as well as with the great deep, called Tehom. The Earth rests on pillars, and above it is the sky or firmament. Waters are to be found not only on the Earth or beneath it, but also above the firmament."

Helge S. Kragh, Conception of Cosmos, pp. 10

Also Koran verses 15.016, 37.006, 41.012, 67.005, 85.001, 15.016-.018, 37.006-.010, and 67.005 have shooting stars explained as projectiles sent by Allah to ward off devils that try to eavesdrop on his high council meetings with archangels. Apologists just point to modern knowledge of cosmic phenomenon to convey a miracle for these passages.

Here's just a sampling of what the Koran is peppered with that's designed to keep people in cognitive bonds so not to disbelieve.

040.070-072 *"Those who deny the Scripture and that wherewith We send Our messengers. But they will come to know, When carcans are about their necks and chains. They are dragged Through boiling waters; then they are thrust into the Fire."*

16.104-105 *"Lo! those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, Allah guideth them not and theirs will be a painful doom. Only they invent falsehood who believe not Allah's revelations, and (only) they are the liars."*

2.039 *"But they who disbelieve, and deny Our revelations, such are rightful Peoples of the Fire. They will abide therein."*

2.099 *"Verily We have revealed unto thee clear tokens, and only miscreants will disbelieve in them."*

85.010 *"Lo! they who persecute believing men and believing women and repent not, theirs verily will be the doom of hell, and theirs the doom of burning."*

2.010 *"In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie."*

2.017b-018 *"...Allah taketh away their light and leaveth them in darkness, where they cannot see, Deaf, dumb and blind; and they return not."*

 

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Nuclear Wessel

I want whatever is in that pipe of yours, Will.

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Davros of Skaro
3 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

I want whatever is in that pipe of yours, Will.

I think it's a Sativa dominant strain.

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Nuclear Wessel
Just now, Davros of Skaro said:

I think it's a Sativa dominant strain.

More of an indica man, myself.

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Davros of Skaro
3 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

More of an indica man, myself.

Too much couchlock.

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onlookerofmayhem
3 minutes ago, Davros of Skaro said:

I think it's a Sativa dominant strain.

Nah. Will's pipe is filled with a product that is derived from the coca plant then cooked with baking soda. 

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Davros of Skaro
11 minutes ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

Nah. Will's pipe is filled with a product that is derived from the coca plant then cooked with baking soda. 

If that's the case? Then he must be posting from the local library?

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Will Do

 

:)

 

"Our fossil discovery, with its estimate of a 5-to-6-meter wingspan—nearly 20 feet—shows that birds evolved to a truly gigantic size relatively quickly after the extinction of the dinosaurs and ruled over the oceans for millions of years,"

https://phys.org/news/2020-10-antarctica-yields-oldest-fossils-giant.html

 

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45,000,000 years ago
A large ostrichlike land bird developed to a height of ten feet and laid an egg nine by thirteen inches. These were the ancestors of the later gigantic passenger birds that were so highly intelligent, and that onetime transported human beings through the air.


Early evolutionary man is not a colorful creature. In general, these primitive mortals are cave dwellers or cliff residents. They also build crude huts in the large trees. Before they acquire a high order of intelligence, the planets are sometimes overrun with the larger types of animals. But early in this era mortals learn to kindle and maintain fire, and with the increase of inventive imagination and the improvement in tools, evolving man soon vanquishes the larger and more unwieldy animals. The early races also make extensive use of the larger flying animals. These enormous birds are able to carry one or two average-sized men for a nonstop flight of over five hundred miles. On some planets these birds are of great service since they possess a high order of intelligence, often being able to speak many words of the languages of the realm. These birds are most intelligent, very obedient, and unbelievably affectionate. Such passenger birds have been long extinct, but your early ancestors enjoyed their services.

 

- The Urantia Book 

 

 

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Davros of Skaro

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Davros of Skaro
33 minutes ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

Nah. Will's pipe is filled with a product that is derived from the coca plant then cooked with baking soda. 

I think you're right.

 

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Nuclear Wessel
14 minutes ago, Will do said:

 

:)

 

"Our fossil discovery, with its estimate of a 5-to-6-meter wingspan—nearly 20 feet—shows that birds evolved to a truly gigantic size relatively quickly after the extinction of the dinosaurs and ruled over the oceans for millions of years,"

https://phys.org/news/2020-10-antarctica-yields-oldest-fossils-giant.html

 

 

 

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It is your thoughts, not your feelings, that lead you Godward.

 

 

 

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Manwon Lender
1 hour ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

I want whatever is in that pipe of yours, Will.

You may not, only Jesus knows what he may smoke!

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Will Do
12 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

only Jesus knows 

 

Yes. Which is why getting to know Jesus is such a good idea.

 

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Some day a reformation in the Christian church may strike deep enough to get back to the unadulterated religious teachings of Jesus

 

Some day.

 

 

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Manwon Lender
2 hours ago, Will do said:

 

"Though rogue planets (those without stars) have been discovered before, they're extremely hard to spot."

https://www.foxnews.com/science/bizarre-earth-sized-rogue-planet-floating-milky-way

 

 

 

 

 

Do you know what Rogue Planets have in common with the Star Ship Enterprise?:P

They both circle Uranus and search for Klingons!:w00t::whistle:

The Urantia Book!:rolleyes:

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Manwon Lender
1 hour ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

Nah. Will's pipe is filled with a product that is derived from the coca plant then cooked with baking soda. 

What do they call that, um butt crack!!:innocent:

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Will Do
4 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

What do they call that, um butt crack!!:innocent:

 

You talkin about that loser Joe Biden again? :D

 

 

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Davros of Skaro

@Will do

"It is your thoughts, not your feelings, that lead you Godward."

No, it's feelings that override thoughts that lead to fallacious reasoning.

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Will Do
2 minutes ago, Davros of Skaro said:

@Will do

"It is your thoughts, not your feelings, that lead you Godward."

No, it's feelings that override thoughts that lead to fallacious reasoning.

 

 

Davros, are you sure you're not talkin about yourself? :lol:

 

 

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Davros of Skaro
3 minutes ago, Will do said:

 

Davros, are you sure you're not talkin about yourself? :lol:

 

 

If I asked you for proof of God you would quote the UB. So no it's not me. 

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32 minutes ago, Will do said:

 

Yes. Which is why getting to know Jesus is such a good idea.

 

 

Some day.

 

 

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Your just such a huge influence on the forum Will. 

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6 minutes ago, Davros of Skaro said:

If I asked you for proof of God you would quote the UB. So no it's not me. 

 

Well there wasn't proof that there are planets existing in space without stars, now was there.

 

 

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