Israel founders were ‘thieves’

[Eldorado]

Early Jewish settlers in Palestine “looted Arab property”, a new book by an Israeli historian has said, adding “authorities turned a blind eye”.

In what has been described as the “first-ever comprehensive study” by an Israeli historian, Adam Raz described “the extent to which Jews looted Arab property” during the Jewish gangs’ attack in 1948 on Palestinians and their homes, and explains why Ben-Gurion said “most of the Jews are thieves.”

Writing in Haaretz, Ofer Aderet’s review of Raz’s book was entitled: “Jewish soldiers and civilians looted Arab neighbors’ property en masse in ’48. The authorities turned a blind eye.”

Full monty at Middle east monitor: Link

[Autochthon1990]

You mean the British Empire?

 

...Yeah that does stack up, the British Museum is pretty much a giant evidence warehouse.

[zep73]

"Giving" Palestine to the Jews, was a crime. They should have at least aimed for a two-state solution.

I like Jews, don't get me wrong, but You can't just give people's home away to strangers.

[Hankenhunter]

1 hour ago, Eldorado said:

Early Jewish settlers in Palestine “looted Arab property”, a new book by an Israeli historian has said, adding “authorities turned a blind eye”.

In what has been described as the “first-ever comprehensive study” by an Israeli historian, Adam Raz described “the extent to which Jews looted Arab property” during the Jewish gangs’ attack in 1948 on Palestinians and their homes, and explains why Ben-Gurion said “most of the Jews are thieves.”

Writing in Haaretz, Ofer Aderet’s review of Raz’s book was entitled: “Jewish soldiers and civilians looted Arab neighbors’ property en masse in ’48. The authorities turned a blind eye.”

Full monty at Middle east monitor: Link

In before anti-semite gets shouted.

[+and-then]

It's pretty difficult to "steal" something that the Arabs didn't OWN, to begin with.

[+and-then]

8 hours ago, zep73 said:

They should have at least aimed for a two-state solution.

The Peel commission DID attempt to do exactly what you ask for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peel_Commission

The Jews were ready to accept a MUCH smaller portion of Palestine just so they could have a homeland.  The Palestinians and other Arabs in the region refused and have continued to do so up til now.

[Orphalesion]

On 11/1/2020 at 7:45 AM, and then said:

It's pretty difficult to "steal" something that the Arabs didn't OWN, to begin with.

So after about 800 years of living there the Palestinians didn't own their own country? 

On 11/1/2020 at 8:01 AM, and then said:

The Peel commission DID attempt to do exactly what you ask for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peel_Commission

And that article says that neither side accepted a permanent solution like that. The Arab side downright refused (though consider that the plan included the absorption of Palestine into Jordan) , while the Jewish side largely only accepted it as a temporary solution with the hope of gaining more land in the future. 

The article also points out that there was radicalization on both ends, starting in primary education. 

Now... It goes without saying that the whole Israel-Palestine conflict is very, very, very complicated and was further worsened by the persecution Jewish people suffered in Europe and Russia, the Holocaust and Post-Colonial empire building by the European powers. I'm not denying the right for an autonomous Jewish state (other that I kinda oppose the idea of any National states anywhere) But you can't deny the rights of the people who lived there for centuries only because some mythology said it was given to a people that, by that time had lived in Europe for centuries and had largely become Europeans.

The attempted comparisons to the partition of India are flawed, since there the Muslims and Hindus had both lived there for a long time (and even so it caused enough suffering) 

I really doubt there is, or ever was, any good solution to the situation. Blame the Ancient Romans for causing the Diaspora in the first place. 

[RoofGardener]

On 10/31/2020 at 10:49 PM, zep73 said:

"Giving" Palestine to the Jews, was a crime. They should have at least aimed for a two-state solution.

I like Jews, don't get me wrong, but You can't just give people's home away to strangers.

They didn't. The jews had a historic presence there for something like 2500 years. The Arab invaders didn't turn up until about 800 AD ? And the British Mandate DID create a country - a large one - for the Arabs, carved out of Palestine. It is called Jordan. 

26 minutes ago, Orphalesion said:

So after about 800 years of living there the Palestinians didn't own their own country? 

And that article says that neither side accepted a permanent solution like that. The Arab side downright refused (though consider that the plan included the absorption of Palestine into Jordan) , while the Jewish side largely only accepted it as a temporary solution with the hope of gaining more land in the future. 

The article also points out that there was radicalization on both ends, starting in primary education. 

Now... It goes without saying that the whole Israel-Palestine conflict is very, very, very complicated and was further worsened by the persecution Jewish people suffered in Europe and Russia, the Holocaust and Post-Colonial empire building by the European powers. I'm not denying the right for an autonomous Jewish state (other that I kinda oppose the idea of any National states anywhere) But you can't deny the rights of the people who lived there for centuries only because some mythology said it was given to a people that, by that time had lived in Europe for centuries and had largely become Europeans.

The attempted comparisons to the partition of India are flawed, since there the Muslims and Hindus had both lived there for a long time (and even so it caused enough suffering) 

I really doubt there is, or ever was, any good solution to the situation. Blame the Ancient Romans for causing the Diaspora in the first place. 

There WHERE no 'Palestinians'. There where Arabs from Jordan, Syria and Egypt. The whole concept of 'Palestinian' statehood was concocted by the PLO (with advice from the KGB) in the late 1960's. Even the original 1964 charter of the PLO doesn't stress Palestinian Nationality, but rather Arab. 

The region was   hugely underpopulated - and undeveloped - until the very late 1800's, when Jews started to migrate there and created industries and introduced western farming methods, attracting Arabs looking for employment. 

In terms of the partition of India, it is worth noting that Hindu's where the indigenous population. Muslims where invaders that arrived in about 1200  ? 

As for the Romans.. well.. pffft.. what had they ever done for us ANYWAY ?  

Edited November 3, 2020 by RoofGardener

[odas]

On 11/3/2020 at 4:34 AM, RoofGardener said:

They didn't. The jews had a historic presence there for something like 2500 years. The Arab invaders didn't turn up until about 800 AD ? And the British Mandate DID create a country - a large one - for the Arabs, carved out of Palestine. It is called Jordan. 

There WHERE no 'Palestinians'. There where Arabs from Jordan, Syria and Egypt. The whole concept of 'Palestinian' statehood was concocted by the PLO (with advice from the KGB) in the late 1960's. Even the original 1964 charter of the PLO doesn't stress Palestinian Nationality, but rather Arab. 

The region was   hugely underpopulated - and undeveloped - until the very late 1800's, when Jews started to migrate there and created industries and introduced western farming methods, attracting Arabs looking for employment. 

In terms of the partition of India, it is worth noting that Hindu's where the indigenous population. Muslims where invaders that arrived in about 1200  ? 

As for the Romans.. well.. pffft.. what had they ever done for us ANYWAY ?  

You are mixing up Palestinians with Arabs and you are doing it intentionally but it aint working. Palestine and Palestinians were there way before Arabs new it existed. But go on with your Fake News.

[RoofGardener]

1 hour ago, odas said:

You are mixing up Palestinians with Arabs and you are doing it intentionally but it aint working. Palestine and Palestinians were there way before Arabs new it existed. But go on with your Fake News.

Well then, if you are talking about the tribes that occupied the area formerly known as Judea - and renamed Syria Palaestina by the Romans - then the original Palestinains where.... Jews. 

The people we know of as 'Palestinians' in the modern days are nearly all Arab Immigrants from Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebannon. 

In terms of DNA, there are no unique markers that identify Palestinian Arabs as being distinct from Arabs from the surrounding Arab nations. Nor are there any major cultural markers such as clothing, music, food, or dances. 

The concept of a Palestinian Identity was created in the early 1960's. 

Edited November 8, 2020 by RoofGardener

[Golden Duck]

On 11/9/2020 at 3:59 AM, odas said:

You are mixing up Palestinians with Arabs and you are doing it intentionally but it aint working. Palestine and Palestinians were there way before Arabs new it existed. But go on with your Fake News.

He is mixing up "where" and "were" so go easy.