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So I was searching through curezone and found this article. It comes from the Monthly Homeopathic Review, Vol. 31, published 1887. 

>Mr. I.K. was bitten by a small dog on the leg. He killed the dog. The wound was only slight, and no notice was taken of it. In three weeks he became restless and irritable, and in three days he had an attack of fury, attempting to injure himself and others. He was found at 2 o'clock in the morning, by the medical man, in severe spasms, requiring six men to keep him on the bed. Guided by the symptoms, bell. 3 was given. The spasms ceased, and he passed the rest of the night quietly, taking bell. 3 and acon. 3, drop doses, every hour alternately. About 7 a.m. spasms returned with increased severity, and as hyos. seemed now to be indicated, drop doses of the 3rd dilution were given at half-hour intervals. After the third dose, no effect being produced, verat. 2 in some degree mitigated the spasmodic action; but as neither verat. nor hyos. produced any decided effect, bell. 1 was persevered with in drop doses every half hour, till the spasms abated — about 12 p.m. From this time he remained quiet until evening, taking medicine at intervals of an hour.

>The spasmodic attacks began with darting pains in the temple, increasing in severity until he became insensible — a thrill or shudder then passing over his frame and lasting about a minute; teeth set, muscles of face and neck rigid, breathing laboured. After a while these symptoms would gradually disappear, and the patient would be quiet for a few minutes, when a new spasm, commencing like the first, or very suddenly, with no other symptom of warning other than a shudder, would occur. The spasms occurring in the latter way were of the most violent description; in a moment he would be violently convulsed; and during the attack, would strike and bite at those around in the most fearful manner. During the spasmodic action, any fluid touching him, or placed near him, produced violent spasms. In the lucid intervals he complained of thirst, and if drink were offered him, would close his eyes, grasp the vessel in a hurried manner. At other times, he swallowed with great difficulty, and after repeated attempts. This was during the long periods between the spasmodic attacks; during which, also, he was conscious and calm, and would earnestly caution his friends to be on their guard.

>About 6 p.m. spasms returned and lasted till 2 a.m., when, after a very severe one, they ceased, and he sunk into a quiet sleep, lasting till 4 p.m., when the spasms returned in a milder form. About 11 next day one or two severe spasms occurred, so chloric ether was applied. The contact of the moist sponge with his lips threw him into the most violent spasm. About 1 a.m. spasms again ceased, and began again at 4 a.m. Chloric ether was applied, and, despite his struggles, continued until its effects were produced. The effect lasted about twenty minutes. He had no return of the spasms after this; became quite well, and is attending to his business.

>The son of a Mr. Waite, of Cincinnati, was recently seized with hydrophobia. We learn by the Cincinnati Gazette he has entirely recovered, through a running wound is purposely kept up where the lad was bitten. The vesicles which formed under the tongue rapidly disappeared under lachesis; and the spasms were prevented by belladonna and other remedies.

>Offenberg's case of cure of supposed hydrophobia by curare was reported in the Wiener Ally. Med. Zig. The patient was a girl twenty-four years of age, who had been bitten eighty days previously by a dog supposed to be rabid. After the ineffectual hypodermic injections of morphia and the administration of chloroform, seven doses of 0.2 gram. of curare were injected in five-and-a-half hours. First the muscular restlessness declined, then the convulsive attacks became less frequent, the dread of water and photophobia disappeared, the anxiety diminished. However, paralytic symptoms appeared, which attained their maximum on the following day. The next day the hydrophobic symptoms returned, but in slighter degrees, and the injection of 0.03 grm. of curare sufficed to suppress them.

>The patient recovered slowly; two months afterwards, she still felt weak and prostrated, moved her limbs slowly and without energy, and complained of slight photophobia and dimness of sight. At the point of injection there occurred inflammation and infiltration, but no suppuration.

>In the British Medical Journal for 1881 (vol. ii) is narrated a case by John Ruxton, Surgeon, A.M.D., in which Indian hemp, in repeated physiological doses, was given in hydrophobia, and was followed by recovery. A boy between five and six years of age, in the East Indies, was attacked by hydrophobia a month after being severely bitten. The bites having been well cauterised by fuming nitric acid within half-an-hour after infliction. Dr. Ruxton mentions that on one of his visits the boy "had chronic interrupted muscular contractions, twisting sometimes to the side, foaming at the mouth, spitting saliva from between his teeth, dreading all liquids, the slightest disturbance reproducing these frightful contortions." The lad was removed to hospital to die and as a palliative 5 minims of tincture of cannabis indica were with difficulty given by the mouth and followed by short sleep; "but he had again awoke in a wild screaming fit, and spitting saliva from between his teeth. The room was darkened and isolated, most complete quietude rigidly enforced and a m v. of the tincture of cannabis Indica were taken by the mouth in short convulsive gulps, most of it, however, was swallowed. A deep sleep, lasting for ten hours, soon followed, and he awoke conscious of those around him, recognising his mother for the first time for 24 hours. His pupils were contracted to a point, and he, seeming very heavy, went quickly to sleep again for another 12 hours, with slight interruptions, after which he took some milk and beef-tea without difficulty and dozed off to sleep at intervals during the day;" beef-tea and m v. of the tincture was given, and he slept 18 hours. When he awoke he was drowsy, weak and blanched, but free from fits and other serious symptoms. He recovered completely.

>In the fourth volume of Frank's Magazine, Dr. Rust reports a case of hydrophobia treated by cantharis.

>A girl of 20 was bitten by a rabid dog in the left upper extremity, on the 20th January.

>There were two wounds about three inches from one another, penetrating through the skin into the cellular substance beneath. They were immediately cut out, and the part cauterised with lunar caustic; and in order, if possible, to ward off the danger, belladonna with calomel and sal volatile was administered.

On the 12th of March, after she had taken in all 36 grains of belladonna, as many of calomel, and 24 of sal volatile, she suddenly became low spirited, wept continually, complained of pains in the injured arm, principally midway between the two wounds. She was feverish, and had a horror of fluids. She would take a teaspoonful of water into her mouth with her eyes shut, but was unable to swallow it, and spat it out again. She now got pulv. canthar. gr. ss. in powders, one to be taken every two hours. At the same time caustic was applied to the painful part. The next day after she had taken nine powders, she had scalding on making water, and at the same time the fever declined, the hardness and fullness of the pulse diminished, the fixed pain in the arm went off completely, and she was much more composed. The powders were discontinued, and with great difficulty she was induced to take an oleaginous mixture. On the morning of the 14th the scalding was gone, and she got four grains more of cantharis, as before. In the afternoon burning thirst, she asked for beer and drank half a pint. On the 15th, three more powders. She was now able to take her usual food and drink. On the 30th scalding on passing water again occurred, and was treated as before. Dismissed cured on the 28th.

>It has been suggested that this was not a case of hydrophobia, but that the hydrophobic symptoms were due to the large quantities of belladonna taken by the patient. If so, the homeopathic relation of belladonna and hydrophobia is supported by the case.

>Dr. Cockburn, of Dundee, considers the following a case of hydrophobia, not fully developed. It is reported in Brit. Journ. of Homeopathy, vol. viii.

"On Monday, the 22nd of October, a mare was bit by a mad dog at the north mains of Castle Huntly; the dog, though at the time was not suspected of being mad, was killed on the spot by a man who has charge of the mare, and the latter continuing to be quite well, the matter was forgot in a few days. On Monday, the 5th November, the mare was observed to be more restless and more inclined to snap than usual, and to have lost its appetite. On the evening of the 16th, it became very wild and restive, biting and tearing at everything. Mr. Baster, the veterinary surgeon at Balledgerns, was sent for, and gave it some medicine; in doing so, he was obliged to have the hand in the animal's mouth; on the hand were two old sores only half scabbed over. On the 7th the mare became quite furious, biting at everything within its reach, even the stones of the wall, and in the afternoon of the same day it expired.

>On the 8th of November, about 2 o'clock a.m. Mr. Baxter became ill, and sent for me to come and see him. Saw him at 9 a.m. and found the following symptoms: pain and burning, with a little inflammation in the sores on the hand; severe pains all up the arm; pain and stiffness of the neck; tickling soreness of the throat, causing frequent hawking and spitting; shuddering of the body, but not cold; feverish, with considerable excitement. Gave merc. 1, to be followed by bell. next day if he was no worse.

>"Next day he was much better, and on the tenth felt almost well. On the eleventh did not feel so well, was very restless and disturbed all the day, but could not tell what was the matter. Next morning I found him with the following symptoms; prickling and jumping kind of pain in both arms; pain and stiffness in both sides of the neck; pain in the back of the neck and occiput, with stiffness; giddiness and great confusion in the head; stupid and restless; irrigation and tickling in the throat; copious perspiration all over the body; burning pain behind the ear coming round behind the jaw; the papillary on left side of frenum linguae, large and inflamed, but nothing like a vesicle. Gave laches. Next day he was much better, and in three days after was quite well, and is so at present.

>From an old newspaper cutting the Homeopathic World reproduces the following:—

>"When we were at Ahmednuggar in 1853-4 we were acquainted with Dr. David Wyllie, civil surgeon there. He told us of a case the day it happened, coming to us directly after the patient was relieved. That morning a boy was brought into the hospital suffering from hydrophobia. Dr. Wyllie immediately had a pan of live charcoal brought and placed on the ground under a cane-bottomed chair. The boy was entirely undressed, placed on the chair, and enveloped in blankets. Then several grains of mercury (I forgot how many) were thrown on the charcoal, and the former so impregnated the boy's body that in a quarter of an hour the saliva was pouring out of his mouth; the rigidity caused by the spasms ceased, and the poison came out of the boy. What happened after, whether the malady ever recurred, I know not; but the boy lived, and so did all other cases of Dr. Wyllie when taken in time."

>In the British Medical journal occurs the following letter:—

"The following case of hydrophobia, treated with chloroform, may perhaps interest your readers. It occurred in one of the suburbs of Bombay.

>"L.M., a native Christian, aged 18, had been bitten on the calf of the right leg, two months before, by a dog believed to be rabid. The wound had healed, and there were three cicatrices resembling those caused by a bite. The night before he was seen, he was restless and alarmed with dreams. On the following morning, there was a constant hawking and spitting of frothy mueus, with a frequent ringing scream. These symptoms were increased in paroxysms from time to time. He looked anxious and distressed. He did not seem to be affected by currents of air, but became much excited when water was brought near him, and was unwilling to drink or even touch it. Noises distressed him very much. The pulse was feeble, the skin of natural temperature. Occasional twitchings of muscles were observed, but no marked spasms. Half a dracham of chloroform (afterwards increased to a dracham) on a handkerchief, and gradually brought near the face; it was inhaled with apparently partial relief. This was repeated every half hour, and in all twelve drachams were used. On the following morning, the patient was to all appearances well, and three days after resumed his usual duties.
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@Spetsnazz    Rabies is a virus.

https://www.cdc.gov/rabies/index.html

Those treatments may or may not have kept the people alive in those stories.   If you have a good immune system you probably can survive it, but nothing mentioned in your post is a cure. Virus don't have cures, they have vaccination that cause the body to create antibodies to specifically fight that virus.

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Interesting but it's a number of unrelated individual cases without scientific overwatch...

''Once a rabies infection is established, there's no effective treatment. Though a small number of people have survived rabies, the disease usually causes death. For that reason, if you think you've been exposed to rabies, you must get a series of shots to prevent the infection from taking hold''

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/rabies/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20351826#:~:text=Once a rabies infection is,the infection from taking hold.

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13 minutes ago, Jon the frog said:

Interesting but it's a number of unrelated individual cases without scientific overwatch...

''Once a rabies infection is established, there's no effective treatment. Though a small number of people have survived rabies, the disease usually causes death. For that reason, if you think you've been exposed to rabies, you must get a series of shots to prevent the infection from taking hold''

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/rabies/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20351826#:~:text=Once a rabies infection is,the infection from taking hold.

It comes from here. 

https://books.google.com/books?id=Cz8CAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA215&lpg=PA215&dq=john+ruxton+rabies&source=bl&ots=eciDFYTAan&sig=ACfU3U2o71UR218yIm_5o5YLOvJMHxzp8A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjbttKX8t_sAhVQp1kKHcLtBhYQ6AEwEnoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=john ruxton rabies&f=false

Similarly, Dr. William B. O'Shaughnessy documented a case of treating rabies with Cannabis. 

Dr William B. O’Shaughnessy, the renowned ‘father’ of medical cannabis in Western medicine, was the first to document the use of cannabis as a treatment for rabies. He noted in 1843 that a symptomatic patient who later died experienced some relief from his symptoms after being administered with cannabis resin. This patient was even able to partake of small amounts of food and fruit juice, something that hydrophobia usually renders impossible in latter-stage rabies.

O’Shaughnessy observed that treatment with cannabis resin caused normalisation of the patient’s greatly elevated pulse rate, reduced spasms and perspiration, and calmed anxiety and excitation. It also allowed consumption of food and liquids. However, after four days of treatment the patient became comatose and died, although ‘without further struggle’.

https://sensiseeds.com/en/blog/cannabis-as-a-treatment-for-rabies/

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17 minutes ago, Spetsnazz said:

It comes from here. 

https://books.google.com/books?id=Cz8CAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA215&lpg=PA215&dq=john+ruxton+rabies&source=bl&ots=eciDFYTAan&sig=ACfU3U2o71UR218yIm_5o5YLOvJMHxzp8A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjbttKX8t_sAhVQp1kKHcLtBhYQ6AEwEnoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=john ruxton rabies&f=false

Similarly, Dr. William B. O'Shaughnessy documented a case of treating rabies with Cannabis. 

Dr William B. O’Shaughnessy, the renowned ‘father’ of medical cannabis in Western medicine, was the first to document the use of cannabis as a treatment for rabies. He noted in 1843 that a symptomatic patient who later died experienced some relief from his symptoms after being administered with cannabis resin. This patient was even able to partake of small amounts of food and fruit juice, something that hydrophobia usually renders impossible in latter-stage rabies.

O’Shaughnessy observed that treatment with cannabis resin caused normalisation of the patient’s greatly elevated pulse rate, reduced spasms and perspiration, and calmed anxiety and excitation. It also allowed consumption of food and liquids. However, after four days of treatment the patient became comatose and died, although ‘without further struggle’.

https://sensiseeds.com/en/blog/cannabis-as-a-treatment-for-rabies/

If you understood how virus's actually work you might understand that these stories are just that.  Maybe canabis, belladonna or any of the other substances mentioned in your other article help the pain, or spasms, but it does nothing to fight the virus.   Your body has to create antibodies that kill the virus.  Have you never had the flu or a cold?

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11 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

If you understood how virus's actually work you might understand that these stories are just that.  Maybe canabis, belladonna or any of the other substances mentioned in your other article help the pain, or spasms, but it does nothing to fight the virus.   Your body has to create antibodies that kill the virus.  Have you never had the flu or a cold?

Right, but you can treat the symptoms using medication. And even if these stories weren't true, why shouldn't they be tried now? We could at least perform studies and research, whether that be on animals or humans, to see whether these results can be duplicated. Because rabies has been around for 4,000 years, it would be ludicrous to say that our ancestors didn't know what to do about it, given the fact that people were already inoculating themselves for smallpox via variolation as far back as the 10th century in China. So it would be nonsense to assert that our ancestors didn't know how to deal with viruses and other threats. If anything, I would even say that our ancestors knew more than modern medicine does. For example, scientists claim that they don't know what effects it can have on the brain. How it affects the brain. While we do already have a vaccine for it, our knowledge about this disease is still in the stone age. 

But the problem is, the most common response to success using non-FDA approved or 'unscientific'methods is to call it a farce. But have they tested it for themselves? For example, scientists will believe the Earth is spinning, even though Michelson & Morley demonstrated no such evidence. In fact, no experiment has ever demonstrated the Earth to be spinning, but yet scientists will still insist this using calculations and theory, when we're supposed to believe what we can see with our own eyes. Another example is cancer. You think that a country with a capitalist economic system (i.e. whatever profits is good) is gonna give out actual cures instead of giving people costly treatment (be it chemotherapy or drugs) that hasn't even been demonstrated to work? Think. 

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12 minutes ago, Spetsnazz said:

Right, but you can treat the symptoms using medication. And even if these stories weren't true, why shouldn't they be tried now? We could at least perform studies and research, whether that be on animals or humans, to see whether these results can be duplicated. Because rabies has been around for 4,000 years, it would be ludicrous to say that our ancestors didn't know what to do about it, given the fact that people were already inoculating themselves for smallpox via variolation as far back as the 10th century in China. So it would be nonsense to assert that our ancestors didn't know how to deal with viruses and other threats. If anything, I would even say that our ancestors knew more than modern medicine does. For example, scientists claim that they don't know what effects it can have on the brain. How it affects the brain. While we do already have a vaccine for it, our knowledge about this disease is still in the stone age. 

But the problem is, the most common response to success using non-FDA approved or 'unscientific'methods is to call it a farce. But have they tested it for themselves? For example, scientists will believe the Earth is spinning, even though Michelson & Morley demonstrated no such evidence. In fact, no experiment has ever demonstrated the Earth to be spinning, but yet scientists will still insist this using calculations and theory, when we're supposed to believe what we can see with our own eyes. Another example is cancer. You think that a country with a capitalist economic system (i.e. whatever profits is good) is gonna give out actual cures instead of giving people costly treatment (be it chemotherapy or drugs) that hasn't even been demonstrated to work? Think. 

We have rabies vaccines for animals (dogs, cats, other mammal pets).  We have shots that if given within 24 hours after  a person has been bitten by a rabid animal so what is it you are really after?  I know people balk at homeopathic remedies, but rabies is not something that you would go first to homeopathy.   Are you on this website to promote homeopathic cures?  

I agree not all FDA approved drugs are safe and some have worse side effects than homeopathic remedies but we currently live in a society that is run by big business and curing disease is bad for business, so allopathic doctors do not usually acknowledge anything not supported by the pharmaceutical companies.  And there are remedies that have been around for hundreds of years that do work better than over the counter medicines.  Like a slice of onion by your bed to open up your airways when you have a cold.

Why would you rather spend days and weeks in pain and suffering with the hope of surviving rabies rather than go to the doctor and get shots to not suffer from it?

 

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5 minutes ago, Spetsnazz said:

For example, scientists will believe the Earth is spinning, even though Michelson & Morley demonstrated no such evidence.

Michelson & Morley showed there was no aether the Earth was moving through.

 

5 minutes ago, Spetsnazz said:

In fact, no experiment has ever demonstrated the Earth to be spinning

Both the Foucault pendulum and the Coriolis effect is evidence of the Earth's spin.

 

5 minutes ago, Spetsnazz said:

Another example is cancer.

Cancer doesn't exist?

 

5 minutes ago, Spetsnazz said:

You think that a country with a capitalist economic system (i.e. whatever profits is good) is gonna give out actual cures instead of giving people costly treatment (be it chemotherapy or drugs) that hasn't even been demonstrated to work? Think. 

Right, a sick and dying population is going to make more money than a healthy one..  Come on, think.

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13 minutes ago, Spetsnazz said:

For example, scientists will believe the Earth is spinning, even though Michelson & Morley demonstrated no such evidence. In fact,

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9 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

Michelson & Morley showed there was no aether the Earth was moving through.

 

Both the Foucault pendulum and the Coriolis effect is evidence of the Earth's spin.

 

Cancer doesn't exist?

 

Right, a sick and dying population is going to make more money than a healthy one..  Come on, think.

I agree with the other parts, but the last one I am at disagreement with. For one, none of the food you eat is healthy. Look at the obesity rates in America. McDonalds, Burger King, Taco Bell or whatever. All of your fast food uses hydrogenated vegetable oils and MSG. Another example is cigarettes. They get millions upon millions of dollars every year from selling tobacco and adding all kinds of preservatives to it in factories, but yet it's e-cigs that we should go after? Like I said, if it profits, it is good for business. Health and safety is not on their list of what's important. I'm not saying that a sick and dying population you can profit from more, but rather whatever makes the most money is what's good in a capitalist system. Mainstream health authorities will call any kind of alternative medicine a "lie" even though they acknowledge they don't know what causes cancer. 

The truth is, cancer is already in your body right now. It can become fatal once your genes mutate with all the dangerous habits you might have, like smoking for example. I think dieting could be the key to healing it. There's been people who've had it for years, even decades, and haven't died, provided that they practiced good eating habits. See Steve Jobs and Aajonus Vanderplanitz for example. I think it's total BS to assume that chemotherapy and Big Pharma is generally the answer to everything. 

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6 minutes ago, Spetsnazz said:

I agree with the other parts, but the last one I am at disagreement with. For one, none of the food you eat is healthy. Look at the obesity rates in America. McDonalds, Burger King, Taco Bell or whatever.

You haven't controlled for lifestyles.

Back then, in the "era of healthy food" people died at an average age of 50, nobody owned automobiles, and almost all jobs were manufacturing or labor and people often worked 12 hours or more.  People walked for miles because there was little transportation.  You were burning lots of calories.

So before you go hopping off on that, you need to look at the actual situations.  Our lifestyles today are very close to the lifestyles of the very wealthy during the Gilded age... and they were known as "fat cats" for good reasons... mainly because they did get fat (though they exercised more than your average office worker does today.)

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Mainstream health authorities will call any kind of alternative medicine a "lie" even though they acknowledge they don't know what causes cancer. 

I think you need to read up on cancer.

The word "cancer" is like the word "dinosaur."  You can have melanomas (of many types), sarconomas, leukemias, and more (just as there are tyrannosaurs, sauropods, velociraptors, and more.)  The things that cause one type of cancer (genetic variation in one gene) do not cause other types of cancers.  Things that cause one type of leukemia do not cause other types of leukemia.

And yes we know the causes of a lot of these things.

You need to find better information sources.  Wikipedia is always a good start since it covers the main types and the main causes of each of them:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer

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4 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

You haven't controlled for lifestyles.

Back then, in the "era of healthy food" people died at an average age of 50, nobody owned automobiles, and almost all jobs were manufacturing or labor and people often worked 12 hours or more.  People walked for miles because there was little transportation.  You were burning lots of calories.

So before you go hopping off on that, you need to look at the actual situations.  Our lifestyles today are very close to the lifestyles of the very wealthy during the Gilded age... and they were known as "fat cats" for good reasons... mainly because they did get fat (though they exercised more than your average office worker does today.)

I think you need to read up on cancer.

The word "cancer" is like the word "dinosaur."  You can have melanomas (of many types), sarconomas, leukemias, and more (just as there are tyrannosaurs, sauropods, velociraptors, and more.)  The things that cause one type of cancer (genetic variation in one gene) do not cause other types of cancers.  Things that cause one type of leukemia do not cause other types of leukemia.

And yes we know the causes of a lot of these things.

You need to find better information sources.  Wikipedia is always a good start since it covers the main types and the main causes of each of them:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer

I think it's a lost cause...

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11 hours ago, Spetsnazz said:

I agree with the other parts, but the last one I am at disagreement with. For one, none of the food you eat is healthy. Look at the obesity rates in America. McDonalds, Burger King, Taco Bell or whatever. All of your fast food uses hydrogenated vegetable oils and MSG. Another example is cigarettes. They get millions upon millions of dollars every year from selling tobacco and adding all kinds of preservatives to it in factories, but yet it's e-cigs that we should go after? Like I said, if it profits, it is good for business. Health and safety is not on their list of what's important. I'm not saying that a sick and dying population you can profit from more, but rather whatever makes the most money is what's good in a capitalist system. Mainstream health authorities will call any kind of alternative medicine a "lie" even though they acknowledge they don't know what causes cancer. 

You're comparing apples to oranges.  I was mainly talking about the government and medical science.  Fast food and cigarettes are not marketed as medical treatments.  Your problem seems to be with the free market.

Many alternative medicines have failed drug trials.

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I have been in the animal and nuisance wildlife industry for 31 years. There is no cure for it once it sets up in you’re brain. However if you catch it before then a vaccination can stop it. I had a relative die from it a long time ago. They had to be restrained to the bed until they died. You go mad and will hurt others or yourself. If you get bitten or scratched by any animal that has not been vaccinated against Rabies see a doctor quickly.

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