2020 US election

[TigerBright19]

Is this Trump's farewell speech?   

 

 

Edited November 13, 2020 by TigerBright19

[ChrLzs]

And, of course, Trump is grifting for the gullible to donate money to the cause - just check the above to see how much you are getting for your money.  That money will be going to DeutscheBank to help pay his debts...

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Hypocrite!!! You do it all the time. Shall I dredge up the myriad of post that prove my point?

On the other hand most people already know that.

Yes I agree they do already know already that your a Hypocrite, but I refuse to get into a battle of wits with you because you are totally unarmed!!! 

I say this inclosing, please dredge up your myriad of posts, because they will prove another point. Which is that you think your a hero, but in fact your a coward who needs the support of others to feel strong enough to attack the reputation of others But unlike you, I will standup and stick to my guns whether I am alone or supported, because I don't need support to openly speak my mind. Back to your bullying people who you do not agree with, this is a trait that cowards use to feel better about themselves and that is why you frequently do it. 

However, unless your assisted by a group of other forum members, you shrink into the shadows waiting for another opportunity.  This is the first time you have ever responded to me in this manner without assistance, so maybe your desperate to try and get your fix of self confidence. Like all bullies you operate better with a group of others cheering you on during your infantile attacks.  But here's the thing without them your lack of self confidence and inner self worth make you shrink from any situation. In the end all it takes to make any bully like you run away, is when your intended victim returns fire that easily devastates your fragil ego.

Then when your intended victim pushes you into a position where your backed up against the wall, you will wet yourself like a puppy who is frightened by a load noise. So go on and continue to act like a Key Board Warrior, because that's the only type of warrior you have ever been or ever will be!!!

 

Edited November 13, 2020 by Manwon Lender

[Grim Reaper 6]

Well I just received this in an email from a source at the White House, the reason President Trump and Mitch McConnell haven't been seen lately. Is because they have decided that they can not live without power and the political authority to wield it. So they have decided to spend their last days together in the White House Bunker. Currently Allied forces have retaken the White House. 

One after Donald Trump was Captured at the White House, he has been found guilty of Crimes against America. President Biden has requested legislation to make this day a Ntional Holiday!!

[Peter B]

So, senior Republicans are asking that Biden be allowed to see security briefings, the US Government's Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Agency said there was "...no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised...", and the largest law firm representing the Trump campaign has withdrawn from post-election litigation.

I don't have a problem with court cases as such, but can you understand why it's increasingly hard to believe that the President has a pathway to victory?

[acidhead]

3rd Debate 2000

Full video - PBS

 

[acidhead]

The reason Biden was chose to go up against Lord Commander Trump was because nobody will REALLY question why he lost. Bad candidate. Long shot with the Obama endorsement but then why didn't they run Michelle than? 

She would hv won for sure.

It's a rigged game folks!

[ExpandMyMind]

2 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

OK, so how are the court cases going?  I'm glad you asked...

From Philadelphia/Pennsylvania
(regarding Trump supporters allegedly not gaining access as observers)
Judge: Were they in the room or not?
Trump Lawyer: They are not being given equal access to the room.
Judge: Were they in the room?
Trump Lawyer: There is a non-zero number of people in the room. {????}
Judge: A non-zero number of people? I don't know what that is... As a member of the bar of this court, were people representing Donald Trump for president, representing the plaintiff, in that room?
Trump Lawyer: Yes.
Judge: I'm sorry, then what's your problem?

From Montgomery County, Maryland 
Judge: ..so you don't claim that any electors .. were guilty of fraud, correct?
Trump Lawyer: Your honor, accusing people of fraud is a pretty big step.  {oh, the delicious irony...}
Judge: I understand.  I am asking you a specific question and looking for a specific answer.  Are you claiming that there is any fraud in connection with the 592 disputed ballots?
Trump Lawyer: To my knowledge at present, no.

From Michigan
(right at end of case)
Judge: It is mere speculation by plaintiffs that hundreds or thousands of ballots have in fact been changed and presumably falsified.  {The case failed because} plaintiffs have made only a claim but have offered NO EVIDENCE.

 

There's more to come and it gets worse.  These are lawyers selected by the President....  Words almost fail me..

 

 

qʎ ʇɥǝ ʍɐʎ' ʇɥᴉs ndsᴉpǝ poʍu qnsᴉuǝss ɐuuoʎs ɯǝ....

There are consequences for lawyers who lie to a judge.

 

[the13bats]

1 hour ago, ChrLzs said:

And, of course, Trump is grifting for the gullible to donate money to the cause - just check the above to see how much you are getting for your money.  That money will be going to DeutscheBank to help pay his debts...

No kidding, im talking like 50 or more emails a day from trump, his sons, daughter, campaign, etc all begging and desperately pleading for his blind supporters to send money so he can fight the honest biden winning election outcome in courts,

Its sad, pathetic really that he wants his worshippers to do without their staples like prem beer, 305 cigs, chew, etc and pay for his follies and fails.

He should have honor and shame.

[RavenHawk]

40 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

There are consequences for lawyers who lie to a judge.

And there are consequences for judges that are complacent in a coverup.  I suspect it is for this reason that the initial suits are going as they are.  The A-Team are this nation's best constitutional lawyers.  They don't need to lie.  They have a playbook and are following it.

[DarkHunter]

Article is from yesterday but I just found out about it.

https://lancasteronline.com/news/politics/house-committee-to-audit-election-as-a-cloud-looms-over-pa-cutler-says/article_5ce0fbc8-23b1-11eb-9aa8-7b1562b0a2b1.html

Seems that the PA legislature will be doing an audit of the election too.  What should be more concerning is that a committee is going to review what it says was conflicting guidance given to the state on how to handle mail in votes (some counties told to reject any flawed votes, some counties told to notify the person on election day to correct the problem, and some counties telling people of the flaw when the ballot was received potentially giving them days or weeks to fix the problem) and the committee will be looking into the effect of two court rulings.  The court rulings being the extension for mail in ballots to arrive and not requiring signatures to match the signatures on record for the mail in ballots.  

It is important to mention in PA the state legislature is dominated by the Republicans by a pretty good margin and they essentially have complete control over certification and picking the electors.

Also increasing number of members in the PA legislature are calling for the certification of the votes to be blocked until the legislature ran audit is completed.

This should be really concerning for Democrats and really the nation as a whole.  There are legitimate legal issues now being raised about the election in PA despite people wanting to pretend they dont exist.  Different counties being given different guidance and the large security difference between in person and mail in ballots is going to be problematic.  Will these issues flip the state to Trump, its possible but unlikely but that also isnt what is important.  What is important is the fact that PA might not certify the results in time which would mean that the 20 electoral college votes from PA might not get cast for any candidate.  For a candidate to win the presidency they still need 270 electoral college votes whether the 20 from PA are cast or not.

[Peter B]

10 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

And there are consequences for judges that are complacent in a coverup.  I suspect it is for this reason that the initial suits are going as they are.  The A-Team are this nation's best constitutional lawyers.  They don't need to lie.  They have a playbook and are following it.

Do you mean complicit?

I mean, a complacent judge isn't much good either, but it's slightly amusing if you've made the same sort of mistake (using incorrect words) that a couple of these suits have made (ballet for ballot, for example)...

Just sayin'

[psyche101]

1 hour ago, President-Elect Acidhead said:

The reason Biden was chose to go up against Lord Commander Trump was because nobody will REALLY question why he lost. Bad candidate. Long shot with the Obama endorsement but then why didn't they run Michelle than? 

She would hv won for sure.

It's a rigged game folks!

[+DieChecker]

8 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

Because that is the current situation - how long will this take, and what are they waiting for - more folks to respond to the $1m challenge and write up more 'affidavits' in the hope they might score some cash?  (The US legal system is almost as bad as it's electoral system...)

Well, I agree on the legal system.

Are you afraid Trump might win back some states? Or that he might prove widespread fraud?

If there was fraud, shouldn't it be rooted out? Or is it more important that Trump loses?

Anyway, if Trump is committing fraud, like having people lie for him, then isn't that good, since he'll get caught and punished even worse, and STILL lose??

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I'm sure that mental picture you have makes you feel superior, but why not just post the evidence?  It seems you might be just another in the dark room.

What law requires the government to disclose evidence in a federal lawsuit? None that I know of, unless one is the defendent.

Trump has no requirement to show you, or anyone, his evidence other then the courts. If he has none, even his own appointees aren't going to give him a victory. If there's no evidence, then he will lose. 

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DON'T misrepresent what is being said.  I love the way Trumpers make up a statement and then argue with it.  YES, Trump is welcome to try to get lawsuits up, but if he hasn't got evidence they should be quickly rejected.  Thankfully that's what is happening, to date.  It would be better if he just conceded - that's what a NORMAL person would do in the face of such a huge defeat.

OK then. Let him have his lawsuits. 

As to "normal". Well, few would label Trump as normal. 

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Are you serious - the problem is that this should be a transition time.  NOTHING is happening, no money is getting to those who desperately need it, people are dying needlessly becasue of Trump's mishandling of the pandemic - those are just a couple of the reasons why he was DUMPED.

Huh? You still blaming dying people on Trump.

Maybe we should blame stuff on Obama and Bush too.

Go read up on covid. It is making a comeback, but that has zero to do with Trump IMHO.

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Until when, Diechecker?  What will stop him from appealing or adding new lawsuits and refusing to leave office.  It's Trump who's in his little darkroom, too.

I think I said Dec 15....

Are you scared then? That he might pull something out that works? Given time?

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You have an interesting definition of 'winning'...  Which numbers do you dispute, and why?  Oh, that's right, only trump knows, and it's a secwut.

Oh, im sorry. Let me check the Constitution. Nope,  nothing about the AP deciding who won.

Apparently the votes have to be submitted and electors picked. That hasn't happened yet. So technically no one has won yet.

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Patience is running out. And while the clock ticks, the damage to your democracy is HUGE. Also, Republicans are now going to be associated with this sort of behavior for many decades. Enjoy.

Meh. I disagree. 

Count every legal vote. Remove the illegal votes. Thats pure democracy.

Decades? Ha. LOL. We'll see. Most likely event is Biden does zip in two years and then House flips to Republicans. Then its Cruz elected in 2024.

[+DieChecker]

14 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

This should be really concerning for Democrats and really the nation as a whole.  There are legitimate legal issues now being raised about the election in PA despite people wanting to pretend they dont exist.  Different counties being given different guidance and the large security difference between in person and mail in ballots is going to be problematic.  

Just to add...

And the counties given the extra time were the Democrat heavy urban counties. The rural counties threw out votes that the urban counties retained. Its not known yet how many. But its probably not a tremendous number. But given the other various issues in PA, it would definitely take another chunk out of Bidens lead. Combined these issues could put Trump into the lead. But it would still be tight.

[+DieChecker]

1 hour ago, the13bats said:

No kidding, im talking like 50 or more emails a day from trump, his sons, daughter, campaign, etc all begging and desperately pleading for his blind supporters to send money so he can fight the honest biden winning election outcome in courts,

Its sad, pathetic really that he wants his worshippers to do without their staples like prem beer, 305 cigs, chew, etc and pay for his follies and fails.

He should have honor and shame.

Hey. Ive not got a single one. And I voted for him twice. I feel ripped off now.

Please post the text of a couple so we can see what we're missing. 

[+DieChecker]

3 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

And, of course, Trump is grifting for the gullible to donate money to the cause - just check the above to see how much you are getting for your money.  That money will be going to DeutscheBank to help pay his debts...

Whoa! Got a link? 

An accusation of such fraud SURELY has some actual evidence.

[DarkHunter]

1 minute ago, DieChecker said:

Just to add...

And the counties given the extra time were the Democrat heavy urban counties. The rural counties threw out votes that the urban counties retained. Its not known yet how many. But its probably not a tremendous number. But given the other various issues in PA, it would definitely take another chunk out of Bidens lead. Combined these issues could put Trump into the lead. But it would still be tight.

The PA election truly was a massive mess and it's probably only going to get worse.  

I cant even see how the issue could be resolved easily or quickly.  They could try to count the ballots in rural counties that were thrown out but I'm not sure if those even still exist or if they have already been destroyed.  I'll be honest I'm not sure what the legal procedure is for rejected mail in ballots for PA.  There is also the alternative that they throw out the ballots that were counted in urban counties.  Has the problem of potentially getting rid if tens of thousands to possibly a hundred thousand ballots but legally since according to the state law they never should of been counted in the first place it arguably has the stronger legal standing.

I just got a feeling that this election is far from over yet and the worst has yet to even begin.

[+DieChecker]

22 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

I just got a feeling that this election is far from over yet and the worst has yet to even begin.

But just winning PA won't unseat Biden. Trump will have to flip another state.

Maybe Arizona. Maybe Georgia.

EDIT: Was just looking at the count again. Trump needs all three. Georgia is leaning Biden, but not called yet.

Edited November 13, 2020 by DieChecker

[+DieChecker]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/12/upshot/election-arizona-georgia-results.html

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President Trump has closed to within around 11,000 votes in Arizona, but there is no longer a realistic path for him to erase the rest of the gap.

There are only around 16,000 votes left to be counted, most of them provisional ballots, and not all of those will ultimately be verified as eligible votes. The late ballots coming in have generally been in his favor, but Mr. Trump would need to win the remaining vote by over a 60-point margin to fight Joe Biden back to a draw.

Certainly possible.

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The count might be even closer to its conclusion in Georgia, where Mr. Biden now leads by nearly three-tenths of a percentage point, or about 14,000 votes. Mr. Trump has even less cause for hope here.

Very few votes remain to be counted, as most of Georgia’s counties — but not its most Democratic counties around Atlanta — have already certified their results.

And unlike in Arizona, the late ballots have broken toward Mr. Biden. He leads the provisional ballots counted so far, 63 percent to 35 percent, and he also has appeared to carry non-provisional ballots counted after the election, like those from overseas and ballots that had the chance to be “cured” of flaws like a missing signature.

 

Edited November 13, 2020 by DieChecker

[+DieChecker]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/12/georgia-vote-audit-recount/

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Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) ordered the recount as a part of the state’s risk-limiting audit process, which is required under a 2019 election overhaul law that Raffensperger supported. Originally, the requirement was to select a random, statistically significant sample of ballots to be reviewed by auditors to make sure ballots were accurately counted. The point is to do a manual check to make sure the ballots were properly scanned by machines.

Biden’s margin of victory in Georgia is quite narrow, at just 0.3 percent. A tight margin means there needs to be a bigger sample size — in this case, more than 1.5 million ballots, according to VotingWorks, a firm that specializes in risk-limiting audits and is working with Georgia officials. Along with state officials, they decided it would be less work to examine every ballot.

If there was any fraud, the recount should point something out.

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This effectively becomes a hand-recount of every single ballot cast in the presidential race. But there’s a separate recount that could be triggered later this month.

That’s because under Georgia law, the losing candidate can request a recount of the results if the margin is less than 0.5 percent of votes cast. But that request can come only after the statewide results are certified, which can come only after this audit is done. If Trump requests a recount of the final results, election officials would then re-scan the hand-verified ballots.

A second recount will likely be a waste of time.

[DarkHunter]

2 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

But just winning PA won't unseat Biden. Trump will have to flip another state.

Maybe Nevada. Maybe Georgia.

 

Technically Trump doesnt even need to win PA or any of the other states to win a second term.  All that needs to happen is for the vote certification to be delayed or stopped in enough states for Biden to not get over 270 electoral votes.  If that were to occur, even if Biden has more electoral college votes, the race would go to the House of Representatives where the representatives from each state would decide who their state picks for president and currently Republicans have majority representatives in over 25 states.

Currently in PA there is talk about not certify the election results but there is also some talk of that coming out from Wisconsin.  Georgia is doing a hand recount and audit of millions of votes, if legal challenges start popping up to delay them they might not certify the election in time to send their electors to vote.  There are still ongoing lawsuits in Michigan and I believe Nevada about freezing the certification process.  

While small the possibility does exist where we might have two people both claiming they actually won the presidency and both having different degrees of legal claims to it.  Essentially a complete nightmare scenario.

[+DieChecker]

I know you all want to just keep swearing at each other but...

Update on House races...

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/11/which-house-races-still-arent-called.html

Edited November 13, 2020 by DieChecker

[+DieChecker]

5 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Technically Trump doesnt even need to win PA or any of the other states to win a second term.  All that needs to happen is for the vote certification to be delayed or stopped in enough states for Biden to not get over 270 electoral votes.  If that were to occur, even if Biden has more electoral college votes, the race would go to the House of Representatives where the representatives from each state would decide who their state picks for president and currently Republicans have majority representatives in over 25 states.

Currently in PA there is talk about not certify the election results but there is also some talk of that coming out from Wisconsin.  Georgia is doing a hand recount and audit of millions of votes, if legal challenges start popping up to delay them they might not certify the election in time to send their electors to vote.  There are still ongoing lawsuits in Michigan and I believe Nevada about freezing the certification process.  

While small the possibility does exist where we might have two people both claiming they actually won the presidency and both having different degrees of legal claims to it.  Essentially a complete nightmare scenario.

Oh yeah, that's true. I was reading about that. Theres 27 Republican controlled states.

Can't Pelodi just end the session of Congress, or not allow the subject to be heard?

Edited November 13, 2020 by DieChecker

[DarkHunter]

9 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Oh yeah, that's true. I was reading about that. Theres 27 Republican controlled states.

Can't Pelodi just end the session of Congress, or not allow the subject to be heard?

If the election goes to the House from what I understand Pelosi would have no say in the matter.  Basically if no one wins 270 electoral college votes by the constitution the House must convene immediately and hold the vote for president.  There would simply be no way for her to do anything other then decide how the state of California will cast its vote.

Interestingly if this were to occur its possible Pence would not be the vice president.  While the house would be voting for president the Senate would be voting for the vice president and unlike the house each senator gets their own vote for vice president.  But given current make up of the senate Pence would probably win.

Edited November 13, 2020 by DarkHunter