alfa015 Posted November 14, 2020 #1 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Hello, I recently wrote a paper (which I present here https://youtu.be/DbxH_E8Iy1U) suggesting which star has the highest probability of being the source of the WOW! Signal. Do you think that we should reply to the WOW! Signal or not? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted November 14, 2020 #2 Share Posted November 14, 2020 44 minutes ago, alfa015 said: Do you think that we should reply to the WOW! Signal or not? Done already: space.com 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphalesion Posted November 14, 2020 #3 Share Posted November 14, 2020 (edited) Yes we should. There is very little to fear from a space faring civilization. And frankly I'm positively sick of people suggesting we should just cower on our planet in fear of aliens hurting us, it's silly. (That is if the WOW signal was created by a civilization at all...) Edited November 14, 2020 by Orphalesion 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted November 14, 2020 #4 Share Posted November 14, 2020 34 minutes ago, Orphalesion said: There is very little to fear from a space faring civilization. What about the WOW! signal makes you think it comes from a space faring civilisation? If it comes from a civilisation, they could be like us. Practically locked in their own solar system, barely leaving their own planet's orbit. 38 minutes ago, Orphalesion said: And frankly I'm positively sick of people suggesting we should just cower on our planet in fear of aliens hurting us, it's silly. If we get in contact with an aggressive alien race, it will be our descendants who will pay the price for our cosmic social needs. I'm not saying we should stay silent, but we should carefully consider the risks we submit our grandchildren to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphalesion Posted November 14, 2020 #5 Share Posted November 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, zep73 said: What about the WOW! signal makes you think it comes from a space faring civilisation? If it comes from a civilisation, they could be like us. Practically locked in their own solar system, barely leaving their own planet's orbit. I'm not. It most likely isn't. Just in the incredibly small chance that it is someone, then we should answer. Quote If we get in contact with an aggressive alien race, it will be our descendants who will pay the price for our cosmic social needs. I'm not saying we should stay silent, but we should carefully consider the risks we submit our grandchildren to. I'm really tired of explaining this over and over again. Assuming that they would even be able to get to us (which is very unlikely) Then there is no reason for them to do anything to us or our precious grandchildren. A civilization that has the ability to travel at light speed (or faster) would be able to get any resource we could give from the vastness of space (water from ice asteroids, for example) and the vastness of space removes the need for competition for space or resources. So no there are no risks. And before you try to pull the "but colonization!" argument: No human history of colonization and subjugation of indigenous people is not comparable to this, since in the colonization period humans were fighting over limited space and resources (both of which are practically infinite in inter-stellar space) Them attacking us for a resource would be like the conquistadors ignoring the gold lying in the street because they want a couple of coins located in one specific, pox-ridden house. The only situation where there might be risks is IF they are some sort of lifeform that actively seeks others to destroy them for fun or whatever, and I find that very unlikely. And in that case they'd find us anyway due to picking up broadcast signals and such.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethrofloyd Posted November 14, 2020 #6 Share Posted November 14, 2020 We can replay with this song! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted November 14, 2020 #7 Share Posted November 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, Orphalesion said: I'm really tired of explaining this over and over again. people can get tired of trying to explain a fact to folk who don't understand... But what you've said is just your opinion. You'll be tired for a long time I feel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted November 14, 2020 #8 Share Posted November 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Orphalesion said: I'm really tired of explaining this over and over again. Assuming that they would even be able to get to us (which is very unlikely) Then there is no reason for them to do anything to us or our precious grandchildren. A civilization that has the ability to travel at light speed (or faster) would be able to get any resource we could give from the vastness of space (water from ice asteroids, for example) and the vastness of space removes the need for competition for space or resources. So no there are no risks. And before you try to pull the "but colonization!" argument: No human history of colonization and subjugation of indigenous people is not comparable to this, since in the colonization period humans were fighting over limited space and resources (both of which are practically infinite in inter-stellar space) Them attacking us for a resource would be like the conquistadors ignoring the gold lying in the street because they want a couple of coins located in one specific, pox-ridden house. The only situation where there might be risks is IF they are some sort of lifeform that actively seeks others to destroy them for fun or whatever, and I find that very unlikely. And in that case they'd find us anyway due to picking up broadcast signals and such.. What if habitable planets are extremely rare, and they lost their own? Then it won't be the resources they are looking for, but a home. And we would be in their way. (Assuming they're malevolent.) I think your Spielberg approach is a bit naive. There are many possible scenarios to consider. Some we might not even have thought of. And remember. Spielberg might have started with Close Encounter... and E.T., but he finished with War of the Worlds 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted November 14, 2020 #9 Share Posted November 14, 2020 2 hours ago, zep73 said: What about the WOW! signal makes you think it comes from a space faring civilisation? If it comes from a civilisation, they could be like us. Practically locked in their own solar system, barely leaving their own planet's orbit. If we get in contact with an aggressive alien race, it will be our descendants who will pay the price for our cosmic social needs. I'm not saying we should stay silent, but we should carefully consider the risks we submit our grandchildren to. Who could be more aggressive than earth humans? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted November 14, 2020 #10 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Just now, Desertrat56 said: Who could be more aggressive than earth humans? No argument there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Razman Posted November 14, 2020 #11 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted November 15, 2020 #12 Share Posted November 15, 2020 7 hours ago, Desertrat56 said: Who could be more aggressive than earth humans? Hippos and Moose. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted November 15, 2020 #13 Share Posted November 15, 2020 22 hours ago, Orphalesion said: I'm not. It most likely isn't. Just in the incredibly small chance that it is someone, then we should answer. I'm really tired of explaining this over and over again. Assuming that they would even be able to get to us (which is very unlikely) Then there is no reason for them to do anything to us or our precious grandchildren. A civilization that has the ability to travel at light speed (or faster) would be able to get any resource we could give from the vastness of space (water from ice asteroids, for example) and the vastness of space removes the need for competition for space or resources. So no there are no risks. And before you try to pull the "but colonization!" argument: No human history of colonization and subjugation of indigenous people is not comparable to this, since in the colonization period humans were fighting over limited space and resources (both of which are practically infinite in inter-stellar space) Them attacking us for a resource would be like the conquistadors ignoring the gold lying in the street because they want a couple of coins located in one specific, pox-ridden house. The only situation where there might be risks is IF they are some sort of lifeform that actively seeks others to destroy them for fun or whatever, and I find that very unlikely. And in that case they'd find us anyway due to picking up broadcast signals and such.. Space is infinitely large AND sparsely filled. You discount the really large chance that for such a long trip to visit that visitors could very well be at a very large energy and material deficit. This reply of yours is extremely naive in its assumptions. However I am of the opinion that at most we will find cosmic pen pals. I don’t buy into near or faster than light travel- nor wormholes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted November 15, 2020 #14 Share Posted November 15, 2020 54 minutes ago, Nobu said: This reply of yours is extremely naive in its assumptions. you can only be naive when dealing with facts. I'm quite sure there are other lifeforms out there but in reality, we know nothing about what's out there regarding life & it's capabilities.... An intelligent lifeform could well look at faster than light travel as we now look at the horse & cart.... Who knows? I don't that's for sure 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted November 15, 2020 #15 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) Are we just going to ignore this, or am I missing something? https://phys.org/news/2017-06-wow-mystery-space.html https://earthsky.org/space/wow-signal-explained-comets-antonio-paris Edited November 15, 2020 by Hazzard 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted November 15, 2020 #16 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) Tattoo a "W" on each buttocks Edited November 15, 2020 by Golden Duck 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted November 15, 2020 #17 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Hazzard said: Are we just going to ignore this, or am I missing something? https://phys.org/news/2017-06-wow-mystery-space.html https://earthsky.org/space/wow-signal-explained-comets-antonio-paris Non publishable research was not published. ”Paris’ paper – about his team’s observations and their ideas on the Wow! signal – is not published in one of the usual journals, but it does appear onlinevia The Center for Planetary Science, a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization, of which Paris is Chief Scientist” also ”Paris admits it is not certain that the Wow! signal was generated by Comet 266/P Christensen; however, his team concludes that the 1977 Wow! signal was a natural phenomenon generated by a comet.” That being said... it could have been a comet. Edited November 15, 2020 by Nobu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted November 16, 2020 #18 Share Posted November 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Nobu said: Non publishable research was not published. ”Paris’ paper – about his team’s observations and their ideas on the Wow! signal – is not published in one of the usual journals, but it does appear onlinevia The Center for Planetary Science, a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization, of which Paris is Chief Scientist” also ”Paris admits it is not certain that the Wow! signal was generated by Comet 266/P Christensen; however, his team concludes that the 1977 Wow! signal was a natural phenomenon generated by a comet.” That being said... it could have been a comet. I think Im going with Sir Occam on this one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted November 16, 2020 #19 Share Posted November 16, 2020 11 hours ago, Nobu said: Non publishable research was not published. ”Paris’ paper – about his team’s observations and their ideas on the Wow! signal – is not published in one of the usual journals, but it does appear onlinevia The Center for Planetary Science, a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization, of which Paris is Chief Scientist” also ”Paris admits it is not certain that the Wow! signal was generated by Comet 266/P Christensen; however, his team concludes that the 1977 Wow! signal was a natural phenomenon generated by a comet.” That being said... it could have been a comet. Highly unlikely. http://naapo.org/WOWCometRebuttal.html 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmk1245 Posted November 16, 2020 #20 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Hazzard said: I think Im going with Sir Occam on this one. Nope, wont work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted November 16, 2020 #21 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, bmk1245 said: Nope, wont work. Oh, ok Edited November 16, 2020 by Hazzard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted November 16, 2020 #22 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, psyche101 said: Highly unlikely. http://naapo.org/WOWCometRebuttal.html I learn something new every day, thanks for posting that, psyche. Back to the FRB theory I guess? Edited November 16, 2020 by Hazzard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted November 16, 2020 #23 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Not even the repeating signals I always wanted are safe from those pesky astronomers anymore! https://news.sky.com/story/alien-radio-signals-detected-repeating-with-a-regular-16-day-cycle-11931306 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted November 16, 2020 #24 Share Posted November 16, 2020 6 hours ago, psyche101 said: Highly unlikely. http://naapo.org/WOWCometRebuttal.html But I’m gathering it still could have been a comet- just an unknown one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilthor Posted November 16, 2020 #25 Share Posted November 16, 2020 On 11/14/2020 at 7:14 AM, alfa015 said: Do you think that we should reply to the WOW! Signal or not? Absolutely not. Now, a WAP! signal, on the other hand... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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