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Peter B

The linked article says: "In the end, there was no statistically significant difference between those who wore masks and those who did not when it came to being infected by Covid-19. 1.8 per cent of those wearing masks caught Covid, compared to 2.1 per cent of the control group. As a result, it seems that any effect masks have on preventing the spread of the disease in the community is small."

Masks are being encouraged not because they protect the wearer from catching the disease, but because they reduce an infected person's ability to spread the disease.

In other words, both the study and the article seem to completely miss the point of mask wearing.

Or have I missed something?

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35 minutes ago, Peter B said:

Masks are being encouraged not because they protect the wearer from catching the disease, but because they reduce an infected person's ability to spread the disease.

Yet, with overwhelming compliance, we continue to spike new cases.  Go figure...

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ian hacktorp

Top Pathologist Claims Coronavirus is “The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated on an Unsuspecting Public”
Says “masks are utterly useless.”

Published on 18 November, 2020

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Top pathologist Dr. Roger Hodkinson told government officials in Alberta during a zoom conference call that the current coronavirus crisis is “the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public.”

Noting that he was also an expert in virology, Hodkinson pointed out that his role as CEO of a biotech company that manufactures COVID tests means, “I might know a little bit about all this.”

“There is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians, it’s outrageous, this is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public,” said Hodkinson.

“Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever,” he said.

“Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signalling. They’re not even worn effectively most of the time. It’s utterly ridiculous. Seeing these unfortunate, uneducated people – I’m not saying that in a pejorative sense – seeing these people walking around like lemmings obeying without any knowledge base to put the mask on their face.”

https://summit.news/2020/11/18/top-pathologist-claims-coronavirus-is-the-greatest-hoax-ever-perpetrated-on-an-unsuspecting-public/

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48 minutes ago, Peter B said:

The linked article says: "In the end, there was no statistically significant difference between those who wore masks and those who did not when it came to being infected by Covid-19. 1.8 per cent of those wearing masks caught Covid, compared to 2.1 per cent of the control group. As a result, it seems that any effect masks have on preventing the spread of the disease in the community is small."

Masks are being encouraged not because they protect the wearer from catching the disease, but because they reduce an infected person's ability to spread the disease.

In other words, both the study and the article seem to completely miss the point of mask wearing.

Or have I missed something?

here in Portugal, the info was that the mask us to help prevent spreading by people that are ill, and mask mandatory was always seen as way to slow spreading even if only a bit in order to give medical services some slack.

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Katniss

Thanks. We'll let the rest of the healthcare community across the globe, and specifically surgeons, know they don't need to wear masks during routine patient healthcare and surgeries. Oh it will be so nice to breath our germs all over everybody. Yay! No wearing masks in hospitals, clinics and dentist offices, because "Face masks have no significant effect"!

 

 

:rolleyes:

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Michelle

Associated Press: 65 members of World Health Organization's staff have COVID, 1 cluster

The World Health Organization has recorded 65 cases of the coronavirus among staff based at its headquarters, including at least one cluster of infections, an internal email obtained by The Associated Press shows, despite the agency’s public assertions that there has been no transmission at the Geneva site.

The revelation comes amid a surge of cases in Europe, host country Switzerland, and the city of Geneva, in particular, and the email said about half of the infections were in people who had been working from home. But 32 were in staff who had been working on premises at the headquarters building, indicating that the health agency’s strict hygiene, screening and other prevention measures were not sufficient to spare it from the pandemic.

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https://www.wbrz.com/news/associated-press-65-members-of-world-health-organization-s-staff-have-covid-1-cluster/

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Dejarma

they are suggesting wearing a mask is more for protecting the non-infected. This to me is suggesting these face masks are great at reducing expelled air that's concentrated in a small area at high velocity..

If your face & nose is covered, how can you breathe in infected molecules when they are spread out pretty much floating & dropping lower than head height & velocity within seconds, therefore masks should protect the un-infected more than they are making out? It's basic physics, isn't it? What do I know

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Peter B
18 hours ago, and then said:

Yet, with overwhelming compliance, we continue to spike new cases.  Go figure...

Are you sure?

People might like to try this little experiment: I googled people at trump rally and selected images. Obviously enough, the search result showed images of people at various Trump rallies.

The first five images I looked at showed plenty of people, but not a single face mask. The first face mask was in the sixth image.

Now obviously I may have missed someone in one of the earlier images - there were after all a lot of people at Trump rallies - but doesn't that only reinforce my point? Two of the three measures recommended for preventing the spread of COVID-19 are wearing a face mask and staying 6 feet apart, and these images very conspicuously show people not doing either of these things. So, sorry, I'm going to dispute the "overwhelming compliance" claim.

(And sure, I don't have a problem with googling people at blm rally usa as a cross-check - add usa because I was getting images from BLM protests in Australia.)

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Dreamer screamer

A mask is about slavery.

A Bug's Life - ''Then they ALL might stand up to us''

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Setton
On 11/19/2020 at 2:22 PM, WVK said:

Landmark Danish study shows face masks have no significant effect.....

.....on the wearer.

Which is exactly what everyone has said for months.

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Manwon Lender
On 11/20/2020 at 1:15 AM, and then said:

Yet, with overwhelming compliance, we continue to spike new cases.  Go figure...

What compliance are you talking about, there has been no compliance since the beginning of the Pandemic, thanks to President Trump and that idiot he has leading the Coronavirus Task Force. But, that's ok it's going to change very soon, and beyond that COVID19 is a big part of why he lost the Election:D, 1/4 of a million plus deaths under his watch, its dam shame, in reality he is a Serial Killer and nothing more!!!!:(

Here this just further proves you completely wrong!!

http://ftp.iza.org/dp13319.pdf

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Manwon Lender
On 11/19/2020 at 11:22 PM, WVK said:

Landmark Danish study shows face masks have no significant effect:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19-

 

Here is a more accurate Academic Peer Reviewed study on the subject if you would like additional proof that suggests you are incorrect I will be vey happy to supply them, on any COVID19 subject of your choice. Have a great night.

http://ftp.iza.org/dp13319.pdf

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Manwon Lender
On 11/20/2020 at 5:22 AM, Katniss said:

Thanks. We'll let the rest of the healthcare community across the globe, and specifically surgeons, know they don't need to wear masks during routine patient healthcare and surgeries. Oh it will be so nice to breath our germs all over everybody. Yay! No wearing masks in hospitals, clinics and dentist offices, because "Face masks have no significant effect"!

 

 

:rolleyes:

Yea they are all very strange people, I just dont get it, why would anyone want to take the chance of harming someone else, much less themselves or their own family. To me anyone who that little consideration for others, is a worthless mouth breather.

Here is a very good Peer Reviewed Paper on the subject, you may find interesting!

http://ftp.iza.org/dp13319.pdf

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glorybebe

Only 46% adhered by the rules.  Not wearing it properly defeats the whole test.  So many studies  are conducted to prove a preconceived finding.  No matter if you are pro-mask or no-mask you will find a study to back you up because someone was out to 'prove' their opinion.

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Manwon Lender
On 11/20/2020 at 1:23 AM, ian hacktorp said:

Top Pathologist Claims Coronavirus is “The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated on an Unsuspecting Public”
Says “masks are utterly useless.”

Published on 18 November, 2020

https://summit.news/2020/11/18/top-pathologist-claims-coronavirus-is-the-greatest-hoax-ever-perpetrated-on-an-unsuspecting-public/

You must be one of the usual Zombies that has been brought out by the Pandemic, here is an article written specifically for you, please enjoy.  Ha!!!  Ha!!!  Ha!!!

Ha!!!

This is about you

https://covid-19archive.org/files/original/7e496db924ebdcad0f4175d382697ca4d410da15.pdf

This is about you

https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-020-01556-3

This is about you

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landig/article/PIIS2589-7500(20)30084-4/fulltext?utm_source=First+Draft+Subscribers&utm_campaign=b971db429f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_03_26_08_17_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_2f24949eb0-b971db429f-330090393&mc_cid=b971db429f&mc_eid=2bc50315fc

Last but not least, this is also about you

http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/104651/1/Martin_how_hoax_information_on_social_media_about_covid_published.pdf

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RoofGardener
On 11/19/2020 at 4:23 PM, ian hacktorp said:

Top Pathologist Claims Coronavirus is “The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated on an Unsuspecting Public”
Says “masks are utterly useless.”

Published on 18 November, 2020

https://summit.news/2020/11/18/top-pathologist-claims-coronavirus-is-the-greatest-hoax-ever-perpetrated-on-an-unsuspecting-public/

Umm.. he's not a "top pathologist" ? 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dr-roger-hodkinson-covid-hoax/

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spartan max2

Interesting that they have them change max after 8 hours of use.

I don't really keep track of change out that frequently. I'm very confident I'm not the only one either.

I wonder if that effects the effectiveness of mask or not?

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Myles

The idiot Biden supporters rioting and protesting during a pandemic certainly haven't helped contain this virus.   

Masks do not make you invincible, but they are a good extra layer of protection.  

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ian hacktorp
1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

Snopes?  Surely you can do better than that...

Dr Roger Hodkinson

CEO & Medical Director – MA, MB, FRCPC, FCAP

Dr Hodkinson is the CEO of Western Medical Assessments, and has been the Company’s Medical Director for over 20 years. He received his general medical degrees from Cambridge University in the UK, and then became a Royal College certified pathologist in Canada (FRCPC) following a residency in Vancouver, BC

https://westernmedical.ca/employees/roger-g-hodkinson/

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Katniss
1 hour ago, Manwon Lender said:

Yea they are all very strange people, I just dont get it, why would anyone want to take the chance of harming someone else, much less themselves or their own family. To me anyone who that little consideration for others, is a worthless mouth breather.

Here is a very good Peer Reviewed Paper on the subject, you may find interesting!

http://ftp.iza.org/dp13319.pdf

Very interesting article. Thanks! :)

Because some think it's no worse than the common flu. I don't know how many times I've heard that ridiculous assumption. And they do not understand that it is new, and that even if they get a mild case of the disease, it can still screw up your insides long after you are virus free( overall long term effect), because it's a new virus and not fully understood yet. But oh, OH - these anti-virus/ anti-mask misinformationist have tons of medical experience with viruses and how our bodies handle viruses down to the cellular level. :rolleyes:

I compare wearing masks to wearing a rain coat or having an umbrella in the rain. it's not going to completely 100% keep you from getting wet, but it reduces the load you get. The same with masks, it reduces the viral load you get. Simple logic. Shielding 101.

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ian hacktorp
13 minutes ago, Katniss said:

Simple logic.

For the simple-minded.

Something for everyone!

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RoofGardener
34 minutes ago, ian hacktorp said:

Snopes?  Surely you can do better than that...

Dr Roger Hodkinson

CEO & Medical Director – MA, MB, FRCPC, FCAP

Dr Hodkinson is the CEO of Western Medical Assessments, and has been the Company’s Medical Director for over 20 years. He received his general medical degrees from Cambridge University in the UK, and then became a Royal College certified pathologist in Canada (FRCPC) following a residency in Vancouver, BC

https://westernmedical.ca/employees/roger-g-hodkinson/

That does NOT make him a "top pathologist". 

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ian hacktorp
5 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

That does NOT make him a "top pathologist". 

What does make a "top pathologist"?

An endorsement from Snopes?

Lol...

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RoofGardener
2 minutes ago, ian hacktorp said:

What does make a "top pathologist"?

An endorsement from Snopes?

Lol...

Well, working in pathology over the last 20 years would be a start, don't you think ? 

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