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Trumps transition to power not smooth in 2016

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Manwon Lender

According to White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany there were no calls for unity; there were no calls for healing. ... Let us not forget the inexcusable transition, or lack thereof, that President Trump had to endure in 2016 and four years into his presidency.”

The morning after the election was called for Trump in 2016, though, Clinton conceded and called on Americans to accept the results and continue the fight toward equality in the United States.

Two days after the 2016 election, then Vice President Joe Biden met with Vice President-elect Mike Pence, and Obama met with Trump to offer support for a smooth transition.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kayleigh-mcenany-said-trump-wasnt-given-an-orderly-transition-of-power-in-2016-he-was/ar-BB1beZyR?fullscreen=true#image=1

 

 

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Buzz_Light_Year

Smooth transition? Yeah and the Washington Post article on Jan 20, 2017 stated that the impeachment process was already underway.

Obama's smooth transition was just another photo op for the gullible.

https://time.com/4641233/donald-trump-inauguration-impeach/

And even before that.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-impeachment-213817

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“Impeachment” is already on the lips of pundits, newspaper editorials, constitutional scholars, and even a few members of Congress. From the right, Washington attorney Bruce Fein puts the odds at 50/50 that a President Trump commits impeachable offenses as president. Liberal Florida Rep. Alan Grayson says Trump’s insistence on building a wall at the U.S.-Mexico border, if concrete was poured despite Congress’s opposition, could lead down a path toward impeachment. Even the mainstream Republican head of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce recently tossed out the I-word when discussing the civilian backlash if Trump’s trade war with China led to higher prices on everyday items sold at WalMart and Target. On his radio show last month, Rush Limbaugh even put a very brisk timeline on it: “They’ll be talking impeachment on day two, after the first Trump executive order,” he said.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/sep/26/impeach-trump-preceded-even-donald-trumps-nominati/

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RAyMO
8 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Smooth transition? Yeah and the Washington Post article on Jan 20, 2017 stated that the impeachment process was already underway.

Obama's smooth transition was just another photo op for the gullible.

https://time.com/4641233/donald-trump-inauguration-impeach/

And even before that.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-impeachment-213817

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/sep/26/impeach-trump-preceded-even-donald-trumps-nominati/

none of what you wrote contradicts the the fact that the transition process was enacted, access to government was provided, funding for the incoming administration was given. 

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Buzz_Light_Year
19 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

none of what you wrote contradicts the the fact that the transition process was enacted, access to government was provided, funding for the incoming administration was given. 

Hillary conceded and Obama was the outgoing president. Trump is contesting the election so why would he offer a smooth transition of power while litigation is still pending?

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RAyMO
3 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Hillary conceded and Obama was the outgoing president. Trump is contesting the election so why would he offer a smooth transition of power while litigation is still pending?

to ensure that, if he loses his long shot legal cases, the United States of America is not disadvantaged come January 20.  

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Buzz_Light_Year
Just now, RAyMO said:

to ensure that, if he loses his long shot legal cases, the United States of America is not disadvantaged come January 20.  

So if he wins?

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RAyMO
1 minute ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

So if he wins?

then he wins. end of. transition payments and access to government for Biden and his team rescinded.  

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Buzz_Light_Year
1 minute ago, RAyMO said:

then he wins. end of. transition payments and access to government for Biden and his team rescinded.  

For Trump to entertain a smooth transition while litigation is pending can and will be misconstrued as a concession to the election. Again why would he do this?

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Manwon Lender
31 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Smooth transition? Yeah and the Washington Post article on Jan 20, 2017 stated that the impeachment process was already underway.

Obama's smooth transition was just another photo op for the gullible.

https://time.com/4641233/donald-trump-inauguration-impeach/

And even before that.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-impeachment-213817

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/sep/26/impeach-trump-preceded-even-donald-trumps-nominati/

Sir you don't even know what transition for a President means, the transition period is from the time of the election until the Presidents inauguration. During that time period every curiosity was given to President Elect Trump, he was included in the briefings, he was invited to and allowed to return to keep himself up to date. There was none this intentional sabotage that Trump is currently implementing in all branches of Givernment in an attempt to Make President Bidens Presidency more difficult from its beginning. While there was a much better possibility that election Fraud occurred in 2016, the entire election process was not disrupted with false unproven claims of fraud. So please post some more links now that you know what Presidential Transition actually means.:)     

Trump is a despicable unprofessional loser!!

 

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Manwon Lender
4 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

then he wins. end of. transition payments and access to government for Biden and his team rescinded.  

Are you buying any of this, Trump lost the election and there is not a prayer in hell that will change this, when are these people going to final stop grasping at straws and fact the music, its over!!!

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Buzz_Light_Year
9 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Sir you don't even know what transition for a President means, the transition period is from the time of the election until the Presidents inauguration. During that time period every curiosity was given to President Elect Trump, he was included in the briefings, he was invited to and allowed to return to keep himself up to date. There was none this intentional sabotage that Trump is currently implementing in all branches of Givernment in an attempt to Make President Bidens Presidency more difficult from its beginning. While there was a much better possibility that election Fraud occurred in 2016, the entire election process was not disrupted with false unproven claims of fraud. So please post some more links now that you know what Presidential Transition actually means.:)     

Trump is a despicable unprofessional loser!!

 

There is no transition while litigation is ongoing. HINT the outcome of the election is in dispute and until it is resolved there can not be a transition of the President to the DISPUTED winner of the election.

That is fairly elementary.

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Buzz_Light_Year
9 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Are you buying any of this, Trump lost the election and there is not a prayer in hell that will change this, when are these people going to final stop grasping at straws and fact the music, its over!!!

It's not grasping at straws as you say a process to dispute the election has been invoked and the process has to play out to the end.

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RAyMO
9 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

There is no transition while litigation is ongoing. HINT the outcome of the election is in dispute and until it is resolved there can not be a transition of the President to the DISPUTED winner of the election.

That is fairly elementary.

Its actually not. Trump could order:

The President of the United States has today without prejudice and, for the greater good of the United States, ordered that Emily Murphy, the head of the General Services Administration, takes such action as necessary to ensure an orderly transition of government can occur on January 20, should that eventuality occur. 

The 'without prejudice' meaning the president is allowing transition processes without conceding defeat nor accepting any dilution of his legal arguments.  

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Buzz_Light_Year
3 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

Its actually not. Trump could order:

The President of the United States has today without prejudice and , for the greater good of the United States, ordered that Emily Murphy, the head of the General Services Administration, takes such action as necessary to ensure an orderly transition of government can occur on January 20, should that eventuality occur. 

The 'without prejudice' meaning the president is allowing transition processes without conceding defeat nor accepting any dilution of his legal arguments.  

And the media headlines would say what?

I don't think that it would be a good idea for Trump to make such a statement.

 

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Peter B
58 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

So if he wins?

Then why hasn't he been doing President-y things lately? You know, attending security briefings, meeting with Congressional leaders or governors, attending G20 (I don't think sending tweets about the election less than 15 minutes after the start of a virtual conference counts as "attending" said conference)...

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razman

It all just shows more of what trump is. A poor loser who only cares about himself. 

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spartan max2
3 hours ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

There is no transition while litigation is ongoing. HINT the outcome of the election is in dispute and until it is resolved there can not be a transition of the President to the DISPUTED winner of the election.

That is fairly elementary.

Litigation is not happening because there is any evidence.

Litigation is happening because Trump does not want to transition.

See how that works. Trump is undemocratic and would gladly deny democracy if we didn't have enough checks and balances to stop him. 

I use to laugh at people when they called Trump a wanna- be dictator. But it's looking pretty clear that he would happy take the chance to stay in power through destroying the right to vote if he could.

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Buzz_Light_Year
8 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Litigation is not happening because there is any evidence.

Litigation is happening because Trump does not want to transition.

See how that works. Trump is undemocratic and would gladly deny democracy if we didn't have enough checks and balances to stop him. 

I use to laugh at people when they called Trump a wanna- be dictator. But it's looking pretty clear that he would happy take the chance to stay in power through destroying the right to vote if he could.

By LAW he has the right to challenge the results and pursue any steps necessary at his disposal.

I haven't any doubt that if the roles were to be reversed then you'd be a cheerleader for Team Biden to pursue challenges to the vote count.

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South Alabam

Trump's problem has always been his mouth. "We'll build a wall and make Mexico pay for it!!!"  This was seen as racist so they have fought him for 4 years and very little wall has been built, however who were the racist that built the previous 700 miles of border wall that no one had a problem with?

His mouth is his problem, as he cannot seem to keep it shut, well, until now that is, but on the same hand the hypocrisy of the left against everything he does is astounding.

Not to mention the leftish medias only report bad things on him and nothing positive, however on the same regard, it is his mouth that trashes them non stop, so what does he expect?

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spartan max2
20 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

By LAW he has the right to challenge the results and pursue any steps necessary at his disposal.

I haven't any doubt that if the roles were to be reversed then you'd be a cheerleader for Team Biden to pursue challenges to the vote count.

What Trump is trying to do, no president has ever done.

Trump is trying to throw out all of the votes in entire states. Million of votes. The last one in PA was literally him trying to throw out all of PA's millions of votes based on the fact TWO people allegedly didn't get a chance to recast their ballot after filling it out wrong. The judge himself said it's ridiculous because most people would push to remedy the situation by just letting the 2 votes be fixed and cast, not by disenfranchising millions of votes.

With that failing Trump's plan is to delay delay delay, so that the states do not certify the results, hoping that without a transition he can squeak by in the house. That means making tons of lawsuits without evidence. Which we see happening now.

Trump clearly gives zero care about democracy.

I would not cheer Biden if he did this. 

I no doubt see you have no problem with ignoring millions of votes if it gets your guy to win. Democracy be damned. 

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Autochthon1990
14 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

Trump's problem has always been his mouth. "We'll build a wall and make Mexico pay for it!!!"  This was seen as racist so they have fought him for 4 years and very little wall has been built, however who were the racist that built the previous 700 miles of border wall that no one had a problem with?

His mouth is his problem, as he cannot seem to keep it shut, well, until now that is, but on the same hand the hypocrisy of the left against everything he does is astounding.

Not to mention the leftish medias only report bad things on him and nothing positive, however on the same regard, it is his mouth that trashes them non stop, so what does he expect?

What good stuff? All the man has done for the last four years is shittalk our allies, make stupid choices, and terrify minorities. 

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Buzz_Light_Year
11 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

What Trump is trying to do, no president has ever done.

Trump is trying to throw out all of the votes in entire states. Million of votes. The last one in PA was literally him trying to throw out all of PA's millions of votes based on the fact TWO people allegedly didn't get a chance to recast their ballot after filling it out wrong. The judge himself said it's ridiculous because most people would push to remedy the situation by just letting the 2 votes be fixed and cast, not by disenfranchising millions of votes.

With that failing Trump's plan is to delay delay delay, so that the states do not certify the results, hoping that without a transition he can squeak by in the house. That means making tons of lawsuits without evidence. Which we see happening now.

Trump clearly gives zero care about democracy.

I would not cheer Biden if he did this. 

I no doubt see you have no problem with ignoring millions of votes if it gets your guy to win. Democracy be damned. 

Nowhere have I even suggested that or advocated for it. Yes fraudulent ballots by all means throw them out if they are determined to be so. If voting machine tampering is proven? Then what? You'll have no choice but to invalidate all the votes that, that machine(s) processed. Unless of course if the timeline and number of votes switched or deleted can be determined and then the vote count can be reset, however that really isn't very probable. 

Do you really think that there hasn't been any contentious elections in the past?

https://www.history.com/news/most-contentious-u-s-presidential-elections

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spartan max2
15 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Nowhere have I even suggested that or advocated for it. Yes fraudulent ballots by all means throw them out if they are determined to be so. If voting machine tampering is proven? Then what? You'll have no choice but to invalidate all the votes that, that machine(s) processed. Unless of course if the timeline and number of votes switched or deleted can be determined and then the vote count can be reset, however that really isn't very probable. 

Do you really think that there hasn't been any contentious elections in the past?

https://www.history.com/news/most-contentious-u-s-presidential-elections

And I have never said anything suggesting I would cheer Biden if he was doing what Trump is doing. But you still tried to accuse me of that.

I've defended Trump and right-wing policies dozens of times of UM. Hell, I voted for the guy in 2016. But right now Trump is flat out wrong, it's corrupt.

The things you mention would be concerning, if proven. Yet, Trump can't bring any evidence for those to court. The best he can do is try to use two voters to overturn millions. 

"Contentious elections" is not a synonym for what Trump is trying to do now. Look at all those examples and show me which president in the past tried to throw out millions of votes with no evidence, and then with that failing tried to delay delay and delay to stop the votes from getting certified in an attempt to stay in power.

Trump knows he is full of crap and he is purposely misleading his supporters. It's messed up.

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Agent0range
28 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Nowhere have I even suggested that or advocated for it. Yes fraudulent ballots by all means throw them out if they are determined to be so. If voting machine tampering is proven? Then what? You'll have no choice but to invalidate all the votes that, that machine(s) processed. Unless of course if the timeline and number of votes switched or deleted can be determined and then the vote count can be reset, however that really isn't very probable. 

Do you really think that there hasn't been any contentious elections in the past?

https://www.history.com/news/most-contentious-u-s-presidential-elections

And if a fleet of 2 million Aliens descended upon PA and voted, we should also throw out those votes.  I mean, I have just as much evidence of that happening as your hypothetical situations..

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South Alabam
44 minutes ago, Autochthon1990 said:

What good stuff? All the man has done for the last four years is shittalk our allies, make stupid choices, and terrify minorities. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-biggest-accomplishments-and-failures-heading-into-2020-2019-12#failure-charlottesville-and-george-floyd-6

He does have a few things that have been positive.

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