Abramelin Posted January 23, 2021 #301 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Mario/Polar, you wrote this in your latest explanation: "the planet slightly expanded, as a consequence of said impact." Don't you think that event as you pictured it would have killed anything alive on this rock? The Chixculub impact event would have been peanuts compared to what you described. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted January 24, 2021 #302 Share Posted January 24, 2021 4 hours ago, Hyperionxvii said: Funny, wife and I are looking at buying some land and we want to raise some chickens. My wife was telling me how she used to watch her mom butcher the chickens and that she doesn't want to do it. I said 'But I don't want to be the chicken murderer, not my job!'. Good thing they have processors who will do that for you. Just take out contracts on the chickens - that or play depressing audio books to them until they commit suicide. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperionxvii Posted January 24, 2021 #303 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Hanslune said: Just take out contracts on the chickens - that or play depressing audio books to them until they commit suicide. I was thinking borrow some of those Russian grenades from Harte. Slain, plucked, fried, all in one step! They blew up real good! Darnit, got to buy another chicken coup. Edited January 24, 2021 by Hyperionxvii 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Posted January 24, 2021 Author #304 Share Posted January 24, 2021 21 hours ago, Abramelin said: Mario/Polar, you wrote this in your latest explanation: "the planet slightly expanded, as a consequence of said impact." Don't you think that event as you pictured it would have killed anything alive on this rock? The Chixculub impact event would have been peanuts compared to what you described. Definitely the most important question so far. A great extinction would seem the most logic consequence of such an impact. And yet we are here. The expansion of the planet is portrayed in this Neal Adams video (of an expanding earth). It is something i always wanted to ask folks around here. What's up with this model? Your input would be great. I propose something very similar but from an another perspective: https://photos.app.goo.gl/kGevN5SxbwG9VxsF7 https://photos.app.goo.gl/VnvNMLjhShiUDNAy9 https://photos.app.goo.gl/msMaLpSobakSybNa7 https://photos.app.goo.gl/jDvR6XjSc97RqLNC8 https://photos.app.goo.gl/1MHiLmmPYBG7BxMx9 https://photos.app.goo.gl/NnNBjvYGvdsh1C196 https://photos.app.goo.gl/yFBnSMphRWCSD6GV6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/dYVhtwLA26nXbbcD8 A momentary expansion of the earth by means of a sudden accretion (accumulation) of the impactor material on earth, would explain how continents could have been radially separated during said "Pangaea" break up by a process other than mantle convection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted January 24, 2021 #305 Share Posted January 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, Polar said: Definitely the most important question so far. A great extinction would seem the most logic consequence of such an impact. And yet we are here. The expansion of the planet is portrayed in this Neal Adams video (of an expanding earth). It is something i always wanted to ask folks around here. What's up with this model? Your input would be great. I propose something very similar but from an another perspective: https://photos.app.goo.gl/kGevN5SxbwG9VxsF7 https://photos.app.goo.gl/VnvNMLjhShiUDNAy9 https://photos.app.goo.gl/msMaLpSobakSybNa7 https://photos.app.goo.gl/jDvR6XjSc97RqLNC8 https://photos.app.goo.gl/1MHiLmmPYBG7BxMx9 https://photos.app.goo.gl/NnNBjvYGvdsh1C196 https://photos.app.goo.gl/yFBnSMphRWCSD6GV6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/dYVhtwLA26nXbbcD8 A momentary expansion of the earth by means of a sudden accretion (accumulation) of the impactor material on earth, would explain how continents could have been radially separated during said "Pangaea" break up by a process other than mantle convection. There will be no momentary expansion of the earth as any impactor approaching or exceeding the size of Chicxulub will cause an Extinction Level Event (ELE) yet WILL NOT appreciably add to the size of the earth. For something to do the latter it would cause the earth’s destruction leaving it, at best, as a dead husk of a planet. cormac 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted January 24, 2021 #306 Share Posted January 24, 2021 38 minutes ago, Polar said: Definitely the most important question so far. A great extinction would seem the most logic consequence of such an impact. And yet we are here. The expansion of the planet is portrayed in this Neal Adams video (of an expanding earth). It is something i always wanted to ask folks around here. What's up with this model? Your input would be great. I propose something very similar but from an another perspective: https://photos.app.goo.gl/kGevN5SxbwG9VxsF7 https://photos.app.goo.gl/VnvNMLjhShiUDNAy9 https://photos.app.goo.gl/msMaLpSobakSybNa7 https://photos.app.goo.gl/jDvR6XjSc97RqLNC8 https://photos.app.goo.gl/1MHiLmmPYBG7BxMx9 https://photos.app.goo.gl/NnNBjvYGvdsh1C196 https://photos.app.goo.gl/yFBnSMphRWCSD6GV6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/dYVhtwLA26nXbbcD8 A momentary expansion of the earth by means of a sudden accretion (accumulation) of the impactor material on earth, would explain how continents could have been radially separated during said "Pangaea" break up by a process other than mantle convection. I know of the 'expanding earth' idea. But even the video about that idea proves you wrong: Greenland doesn't move to your proposed place in front of the Strait of Gibraltar. And although I am not a geologist, I am fairly sure an impact that caused the earth to expand - if that is even possible because it's not a balloon - would create so much destruction no human would be alive now. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted January 24, 2021 #307 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Abramelin said: I know of the 'expanding earth' idea. But even the video about that idea proves you wrong: Greenland doesn't move to your proposed place in front of the Strait of Gibraltar. And although I am not a geologist, I am fairly sure an impact that caused the earth to expand - if that is even possible because it's not a balloon - would create so much destruction no human would be alive now. I am not against 'alternative' theories about plate tectonics. As long as they seem at least somewhat believable. Here's one: Edited January 24, 2021 by Abramelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted January 24, 2021 #308 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Problem is in the proof here. There is either no proof or proof that has yet to be found. I appreciate the thread and the ideas. imo it wouldn’t take much for an extinction level event to happen. I’m not a geologist but an impact causing expansion would be a pretty severe event. I think evidence of this would be all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Posted January 24, 2021 Author #309 Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Abramelin said: I know of the 'expanding earth' idea. But even the video about that idea proves you wrong: Greenland doesn't move to your proposed place in front of the Strait of Gibraltar. And although I am not a geologist, I am fairly sure an impact that caused the earth to expand - if that is even possible because it's not a balloon - would create so much destruction no human would be alive now. Is there a proof that Greenland was in fact in front of Gibraltar? I hope you know the answer to that question. It is not there in the video because nobody knows about this. Yeahh i know, think whatever... And although "accretion" is a gradual process, it is the best i can describe this hypothetical "insufflation". The planet grew in its early stages by "accretion" of impactors since its beginning, 4 Billion years ago, right? I propose a rapid expansion by impact, which would be also one of the reasons to justify how continental landmasses could have moved faster and smoother, than if you had "just" a semi molten crust in a static inertial state. But let me explain the best i can regarding the destruction, you mentioned. I firmly believe that there was ice on earth "the likes one never seen before". The only solution i found for the problem of the extreme heat is the cooling effect of the ice that existed, a gigantic cryosphere generated by the hypothetical earth's rotational pattern, with the north pole pointing towards the sun, like Uranus. Then there would be enough cooling power to appease the molten crust, where it extruded its "guts" out. Likewise the snowball earth is part of my "weaving shroud", although completely "out of time", but that is another story: Quote The Snowball Earth hypothesis proposes that during one or more of Earth's icehouse climates, Earth's surface became entirely or nearly entirely frozen, sometime earlier than 650 Mya (million years ago) during the Cryogenian period. Proponents of the hypothesis argue that it best explains sedimentary deposits generally regarded as of glacial origin at tropical palaeolatitudes and other enigmatic features in the geological record. Opponents of the hypothesis contest the implications of the geological evidence for global glaciation and the geophysical feasibility of an ice- or slush-covered ocean[3][4] and emphasize the difficulty of escaping an all-frozen condition. A number of unanswered questions remain, including whether the Earth was a full snowball, or a "slushball" with a thin equatorial band of open (or seasonally open) water. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth If something of this magnitude would have occurred on earth, the only reason we would have survived is because of the many kilometers of ancient ice provided that temperatures remained low enough for life to continue. And we know on the other hand that oceans rose more than 100 meters (at the end of the Pleistocene). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted January 24, 2021 #310 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Polar said: Is there a proof that Greenland was in fact in front of Gibraltar? I hope you know the answer to that question. It is not there in the video because nobody knows about this. Yeahh i know, think whatever... And although "accretion" is a gradual process, it is the best i can describe this hypothetical "insufflation". The planet grew in its early stages by "accretion" of impactors since its beginning, 4 Billion years ago, right? I propose a rapid expansion by impact, which would be also one of the reasons to justify how continental landmasses could have moved faster and smoother, than if you had "just" a semi molten crust in a static inertial state. But let me explain the best i can regarding the destruction, you mentioned. I firmly believe that there was ice on earth "the likes one never seen before". The only solution i found for the problem of the extreme heat is the cooling effect of the ice that existed, a gigantic cryosphere generated by the hypothetical earth's rotational pattern, with the north pole pointing towards the sun, like Uranus. Then there would be enough cooling power to appease the molten crust, where it extruded its "guts" out. Likewise the snowball earth is part of my "weaving shroud", although completely "out of time", but that is another story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth If something of this magnitude would have occurred on earth, the only reason we would have survived is because of the many kilometers of ancient ice provided that temperatures remained low enough for life to continue. And we know on the other hand that oceans rose more than 100 meters (at the end of the Pleistocene). No. Said accretion occurred billions of years ago and is completely irrelevant to the timeframes of humans, meaning the last 2.8 million years. Which is neither in evidence nor how plate tectonics works. Surface ice during an Ice Age has NO direct effect on the cooling of tectonic plates nor can it. You’re mixing apples and oranges. Your ignorance of multiple scientific disciplines is embarrassing. cormac Edited January 24, 2021 by cormac mac airt 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted January 25, 2021 #311 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Tone down the hostilities please folks. The topic can be discussed without resorting to derogatory diatribes about other members. Don't make things personal - discuss the points being presented, not the person who is making them. Thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenemet Posted January 25, 2021 #312 Share Posted January 25, 2021 On 1/24/2021 at 11:57 AM, Polar said: Definitely the most important question so far. A great extinction would seem the most logic consequence of such an impact. And yet we are here. The expansion of the planet is portrayed in this Neal Adams video (of an expanding earth). It is something i always wanted to ask folks around here. What's up with this model? Your input would be great. Stupidest. Model. Ever. And I'm trying to be polite. If there *had* been (by some ridiculous mechanism) a planet expanding from below, then there would be no mountains and a lot more cracks than we have. Don't believe me? Dip a partly inflated balloon in paint, let the paint dry, then blow it up to 2-3 times the partly inflated size. You'd get a lot of tiny islands and interwoven waters (assuming you can construct a source for water.) Expanded because of stuff falling on it? Then the pits and valleys would fill up and you'd end up with a featureless world. There is no process (other than Handwavium and "Magicalness") that would produce the geology we see today with that absurd, science-free model. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kenemet Posted January 25, 2021 #314 Share Posted January 25, 2021 31 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: jmccr8 ...and budgies. I forgot budgies. They explain everything. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted January 26, 2021 #315 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Polar said: What should i expect from you? no more no less. What's up with the liar and thief thing, are you a fan of Nirvana? Let me ask you something: If you were looking for a landmass (Atlantis) in front of Gibraltar, and found out that a few landmasses fit together, what would you do? Would you think you are a charlatan? Are you implying that i altered these reconstructions in order to make them look the way they do? If not why is it there, this (apparent) continental fiting? These partial "reconstructions" were made with Google earth imagery at a same scale. What are the odds? You threw my research in the trash and you become furious about simple and straight forward stuff. Yes, the current knowledge of earth sciences invalidates my theory. But, my reconstructions of the Gibraltar region are a strange fact, do you not agree? If you say they do not match, you need an eye doctor. You cannot tell that they do not match simply because you want to. There are ways to check this, but i did not have the time nor the expertise to do so, although i am getting there. I wonder why nobody commented on Neal Adams video, not even you. That video does forward something very scary. I do not agree with Neal Adams that there is any academic conspiracy against his theory. I disagree with everything other than the reconstruction. Again i do not know whether it could be true, but there is a great coincidence that the continents fit together under a smaller earth. This touches Pangaea in more ways than one can think of... although it does not invalidate it either. https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2015/12/17/neal-adams-01-the-growing-earth/ You are not honestly discussing, therefore there hasn't been any progress. I know that there are useful tips i can gather here. I am perfectly aware of the impossibility factor in the whole idea. You keep wasting you time reminding me of my ignorance, but i can assure you that i am very aware of the problems raised by my line of thinking. You said i am irresponsible and dangerous, among other things. I ask, if in fact that reconstruction meant something tectonically speaking, should we not disclose it? I can be ignorant about a lot of stuff but you have to acknowledge that in fact there is a fit, perhaps a coincidence, but a continental fit nonetheless. If you do not see this basic one on one fact, i have to say you aren't up to discuss it adequately, again Ghandi would say that there hasn't been an honest disagreement... But can anyone comment on Neal Adams other video. I hate when people speak of conspiracy theories, but i cannot ignore or deny the coincidental continental fit of expansionists reconstruction modelings. Take it easy, you'll live longer... I’d suggest you re-read my post to see why direct discussion with you is a waste of time, but we all know you don’t /read/ anything anyone else writes. Am I implying you doctor images you post? No. I am outright declaring it. That Kirchner image of the Isle of Atlantis was flagrantly upside down each of the fifty times you’ve posted. You’ve been called out on it a dozen times: either you conveniently forgot that (which I find highly improbable) or you’re lying. Yet again. Nobody commented on your video because no one watched it because no one wants to waste their time. —Jaylemurph 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted January 26, 2021 #316 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Saru said: Tone down the hostilities please folks. The topic can be discussed without resorting to derogatory diatribes about other members. Don't make things personal - discuss the points being presented, not the person who is making them. Thank you. With respect, part of any debate or discussion involves analyzing the source of information — and it’s all the more important to do so if and when the source is... manipulating the info provided. Mario does that. Frequently. He misrepresents the work of others — knowingly or not, I can’t say for sure, but I can say it’s habitual and has been pointed out to Mario hundreds of times. That’s not name-calling or being insulting when it 100% accurately and fairly describes the activities Mario chooses to engage in. —Jaylemurph 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted January 26, 2021 #317 Share Posted January 26, 2021 9 hours ago, jaylemurph said: With respect, part of any debate or discussion involves analyzing the source of information — and it’s all the more important to do so if and when the source is... manipulating the info provided. Mario does that. Frequently. He misrepresents the work of others — knowingly or not, I can’t say for sure, but I can say it’s habitual and has been pointed out to Mario hundreds of times. That’s not name-calling or being insulting when it 100% accurately and fairly describes the activities Mario chooses to engage in. —Jaylemurph Pointing out the fallacies in someone's position does not necessitate scathing derogatory personal remarks. Point out the fallacies by all means, but please keep it civil. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted January 26, 2021 #318 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) Mario, have you ever read this: LINK Btw., do you notice how well the west coast of Greenland fits the east coast of the islands? Edited January 26, 2021 by Abramelin 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted January 28, 2021 #319 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Thread cleaned. Folks, stop talking about each other, and stop making derogatory commentary about each other. Either stay on topic in a civil manner, or walk away from this conversation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Posted January 30, 2021 Author #320 Share Posted January 30, 2021 On 1/26/2021 at 4:49 PM, Abramelin said: Mario, have you ever read this: LINK Btw., do you notice how well the west coast of Greenland fits the east coast of the islands? Thanks for the article! In fact i never read it, although there are many geologic issues that i have knew before. As you might be aware this poses a direct threat to my theory, and the technical language is very complex for someone like myself to argue for or against it. Nevertheless, i want to show you the following, regarding your question about the fitting of west Greenland and Ellesmere and Baffin islands. I know people are going to knock me out on this, but it is just a raw reconstruction having Kircher's Insula Atlantis for comparison. But going back to the article you linked, there are a few points i would like to speak about. The first is the huge amounts of sediment found in east Greenland, Scandinavia and Svalbard. Absolutely amazing! https://www.researchgate.net/publication/242675155_Neoproterozoic_basin_evolution_in_Fennoscandia_East_Greenland_and_Svalbard#pf2 Plato stated that the north Atlantic became a shoal of mud, at the end of the Pleistocene: Quote But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island. http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/timaeus.html Quote [...] Atlantis, which, as was saying, was an island greater in extent than Libya and Asia, and when afterwards sunk by an earthquake, became an impassable barrier of mud to voyagers sailing from hence to any part of the ocean. http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html The second point is that actually there "are" highly debated issues e.g. regarding the relative position of the segments of Baltica and Laurentia... https://www.researchgate.net/publication/242675155_Neoproterozoic_basin_evolution_in_Fennoscandia_East_Greenland_and_Svalbard#pf2 But i did not understand why you linked an article about east Greenland, Scandinavia and Svalbard when you also referred to the west Greenland fit with Ellesmere and Baffin islands? I wonder why you did not talk about Greenland's continental fit with Scandinavia... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted January 30, 2021 #321 Share Posted January 30, 2021 It is not “a raw reconstruction.” It’s you using falsified, doctored information— information you know perfectly well is doctored and therefore falsified because you’ve been told, dozens of times — nor do you give due credit for the image — which you’ve also been made aware dozens of times. The best that can be said for either of those choices is “intellectually dishonest.” —Jaylemurph 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Posted January 30, 2021 Author #322 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, jaylemurph said: It is not “a raw reconstruction.” It’s you using falsified, doctored information— information you know perfectly well is doctored and therefore falsified because you’ve been told, dozens of times — nor do you give due credit for the image — which you’ve also been made aware dozens of times. The best that can be said for either of those choices is “intellectually dishonest.” —Jaylemurph I have in fact appropriated a lot of (specially) graphic information (topography, geoid, bathymetry, etc, etc). I intend to give due credit in my book, but there was so much information that i got lost, or sloppy... Sometimes i was overwhelmed by data from different subjects, that i ended up not worrying as to correctly cite the source of whatever material i was looking at the time. I give you that much, but its not like i am selling something without proper permission from the owner... Nevertheless I apologize for not having done the right thing. Someone has told me about taking notes, i guess i am too disorganized. I am now aware that it will take a lot of time for me to organize all the data in a acceptable format. But, when you say that i have falsified information, it is simply not true. Although i see that this is perfectly understandable since i am sort of "corrupting" the imagery after all. Those images are a consequence of Plato's statements, and therefore they are my representation of what he said. Again, this all could be untrue. But those were the premisses of each reconstruction. For instance when i wanted to investigate whether the Watkins range in east Greenland has any correspondence with the Gibraltar region (Iberian peninsula and the Atlas range in northwest Africa): (left) M. Morlighem, E. Rignot, J. Mouginot, H. Seroussi, and E. Larour. 2015. IceBridge BedMachine Greenland, Version 2. Boulder, Colorado USA: NASA DAAC at the National Snow and Ice Data Center. https://nsidc.org/data/IDBMG4/versions/2 (right) Google Earth. This reconstruction or "photomontage" was made since Greenland is always covered with ice (in Google Earth). I wanted to forward the similitude and dimensions between the Atlas and the Watkins mountain ranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 30, 2021 #323 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Polar said: As you might be aware this poses a direct threat to my theory, jmccr8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted January 30, 2021 #324 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Polar said: I give you that much, but its not like i am selling something without proper permission from the owner... You’re right about that. It isn’t /like/ that: it /is/ that. Both vanity presses exist and self-publishing exist and prosper these days, so I can’t you’ll never get published. But if you ever do, it’ll be amusing to see you sued for plagiarism and libel, which is precisely what you deserve, especially after publicly admitting to both above. —Jaylemurph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted January 31, 2021 #325 Share Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/26/2021 at 11:49 AM, Abramelin said: Mario, have you ever read this: LINK Btw., do you notice how well the west coast of Greenland fits the east coast of the islands? Yeah that was a pretty good read. Thanks man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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