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Abramelin

Mario/Polar, you wrote this in your latest explanation:

"the planet slightly expanded, as a consequence of said impact."

Don't you think that event as you pictured it would have killed anything alive on this rock?

The Chixculub impact event would have been peanuts compared to what you described.

 

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4 hours ago, Hyperionxvii said:

Funny, wife and I are looking at buying some land and we want to raise some chickens. My wife was telling me how she used to watch her mom butcher the chickens and that she doesn't want to do it. I said 'But I don't want to be the chicken murderer, not my job!'. Good thing they have processors who will do that for you. 

Just take out contracts on the chickens - that or play depressing audio books to them until they commit suicide.

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9 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

Just take out contracts on the chickens - that or play depressing audio books to them until they commit suicide.

I was thinking borrow some of those Russian grenades from Harte. Slain, plucked, fried, all in one step! They blew up real good! Darnit, got to buy another chicken coup. 

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Polar
21 hours ago, Abramelin said:

Mario/Polar, you wrote this in your latest explanation:

"the planet slightly expanded, as a consequence of said impact."

Don't you think that event as you pictured it would have killed anything alive on this rock?

The Chixculub impact event would have been peanuts compared to what you described.

 

Definitely the most important question so far.

A great extinction would seem the most logic consequence of such an impact. And yet we are here.

The expansion of the planet is portrayed in this Neal Adams video (of an expanding earth). It is something i always wanted to ask folks around here. What's up with this model? Your input would be great.

I propose something very similar but from an another perspective:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/kGevN5SxbwG9VxsF7

https://photos.app.goo.gl/VnvNMLjhShiUDNAy9

https://photos.app.goo.gl/msMaLpSobakSybNa7

https://photos.app.goo.gl/jDvR6XjSc97RqLNC8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1MHiLmmPYBG7BxMx9

https://photos.app.goo.gl/NnNBjvYGvdsh1C196

https://photos.app.goo.gl/yFBnSMphRWCSD6GV6

https://photos.app.goo.gl/dYVhtwLA26nXbbcD8

A momentary expansion of the earth by means of a sudden accretion (accumulation) of the impactor material on earth, would explain how continents could have been radially separated during said "Pangaea" break up by a process other than mantle convection.

 

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8 minutes ago, Polar said:

Definitely the most important question so far.

A great extinction would seem the most logic consequence of such an impact. And yet we are here.

The expansion of the planet is portrayed in this Neal Adams video (of an expanding earth). It is something i always wanted to ask folks around here. What's up with this model? Your input would be great.

I propose something very similar but from an another perspective:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/kGevN5SxbwG9VxsF7

https://photos.app.goo.gl/VnvNMLjhShiUDNAy9

https://photos.app.goo.gl/msMaLpSobakSybNa7

https://photos.app.goo.gl/jDvR6XjSc97RqLNC8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1MHiLmmPYBG7BxMx9

https://photos.app.goo.gl/NnNBjvYGvdsh1C196

https://photos.app.goo.gl/yFBnSMphRWCSD6GV6

https://photos.app.goo.gl/dYVhtwLA26nXbbcD8

A momentary expansion of the earth by means of a sudden accretion (accumulation) of the impactor material on earth, would explain how continents could have been radially separated during said "Pangaea" break up by a process other than mantle convection.

 

There will be no momentary expansion of the earth as any impactor approaching or exceeding the size of Chicxulub will cause an Extinction Level Event (ELE) yet WILL NOT appreciably add to the size of the earth. For something to do the latter it would cause the earth’s destruction leaving it, at best, as a dead husk of a planet. 
 

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Abramelin
38 minutes ago, Polar said:

Definitely the most important question so far.

A great extinction would seem the most logic consequence of such an impact. And yet we are here.

The expansion of the planet is portrayed in this Neal Adams video (of an expanding earth). It is something i always wanted to ask folks around here. What's up with this model? Your input would be great.

I propose something very similar but from an another perspective:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/kGevN5SxbwG9VxsF7

https://photos.app.goo.gl/VnvNMLjhShiUDNAy9

https://photos.app.goo.gl/msMaLpSobakSybNa7

https://photos.app.goo.gl/jDvR6XjSc97RqLNC8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1MHiLmmPYBG7BxMx9

https://photos.app.goo.gl/NnNBjvYGvdsh1C196

https://photos.app.goo.gl/yFBnSMphRWCSD6GV6

https://photos.app.goo.gl/dYVhtwLA26nXbbcD8

A momentary expansion of the earth by means of a sudden accretion (accumulation) of the impactor material on earth, would explain how continents could have been radially separated during said "Pangaea" break up by a process other than mantle convection.

 

I know of the 'expanding earth' idea. But even the video about that idea proves you wrong: Greenland doesn't move to your proposed place in front of the Strait of Gibraltar.

And although I am not a geologist, I am fairly sure an impact that caused the earth to expand - if that is even possible because it's not a balloon - would create so much destruction no human would be alive now.

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jaylemurph

Behold, as Mario shrugs aside the inevitable conclusions of his drivel without seriously considering anything anyone had said. 

This is what happens when we feed his delusions of competence and understanding science. 

—Jaylemurph 

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Abramelin
1 hour ago, Abramelin said:

I know of the 'expanding earth' idea. But even the video about that idea proves you wrong: Greenland doesn't move to your proposed place in front of the Strait of Gibraltar.

And although I am not a geologist, I am fairly sure an impact that caused the earth to expand - if that is even possible because it's not a balloon - would create so much destruction no human would be alive now.

I am not against 'alternative' theories about plate tectonics. As long as they seem at least somewhat believable.

Here's one:

 

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Problem is in the proof here. There is either no proof or proof that has yet to be found. I appreciate the thread and the ideas.

imo it wouldn’t take much for an extinction level event to happen. I’m not a geologist but an impact causing expansion would be a pretty severe event. I think evidence of this would be all over the place.

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There is, however, proof /against/ virtually every claim Mario makes. 

What he’s suggesting is no less than every geologist on Earth, throughout history, is fundamentally wrong. He can provide no logical, reasonable mechanism by which what he claims happened could happen and his pervasive, militant ignorance of reality prevents him from even admitting the possibility he’s wrong. 

People like Mario, who believe what they want in the teeth of fact and basic reality, aren’t noble dreamers on a quest whose validity will one day be successful. They are dangerous and reckless and undermine the foundations of our common, Enlightenment values of reason and sound methodology.

It’s easy to draw a direct line between what Mario is trying to do and Trump-inspired seditionists attacking the US Capital to capture and kill Congress to end the “rule” of Q. They both thrive on fake news and substituting their personal fantasies for real facts. Mario may seem like a harmless eccentric, but he represents a real threat. He may well be the forerunner of a new Dark Age. 

—Jaylemurph 

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2 hours ago, Abramelin said:

I know of the 'expanding earth' idea. But even the video about that idea proves you wrong: Greenland doesn't move to your proposed place in front of the Strait of Gibraltar.

And although I am not a geologist, I am fairly sure an impact that caused the earth to expand - if that is even possible because it's not a balloon - would create so much destruction no human would be alive now.

Is there a proof that Greenland was in fact in front of Gibraltar? I hope you know the answer to that question. It is not there in the video because nobody knows about this. Yeahh i know, think whatever...

And although "accretion" is a gradual process, it is the best i can describe this hypothetical "insufflation". The planet grew in its early stages by "accretion" of impactors since its beginning, 4 Billion years ago, right?

I propose a rapid expansion by impact, which would be also one of the reasons to justify how continental landmasses could have moved faster and smoother, than if you had "just" a semi molten crust in a static inertial state. 

But let me explain the best i can regarding the destruction, you mentioned. I firmly believe that there was ice on earth "the likes one never seen before". The only solution i found for the problem of the extreme heat is the cooling effect of the ice that existed, a gigantic cryosphere generated by the hypothetical earth's rotational pattern, with the north pole pointing towards the sun, like Uranus.

Then there would be enough cooling power to appease the molten crust, where it extruded its "guts" out. Likewise the snowball earth is part of my "weaving shroud", although completely "out of time", but that is another story:

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The Snowball Earth hypothesis proposes that during one or more of Earth's icehouse climates, Earth's surface became entirely or nearly entirely frozen, sometime earlier than 650 Mya (million years ago) during the Cryogenian period. Proponents of the hypothesis argue that it best explains sedimentary deposits generally regarded as of glacial origin at tropical palaeolatitudes and other enigmatic features in the geological record. Opponents of the hypothesis contest the implications of the geological evidence for global glaciation and the geophysical feasibility of an ice- or slush-covered ocean[3][4] and emphasize the difficulty of escaping an all-frozen condition. A number of unanswered questions remain, including whether the Earth was a full snowball, or a "slushball" with a thin equatorial band of open (or seasonally open) water.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth

If something of this magnitude would have occurred on earth, the only reason we would have survived is because of the many kilometers of ancient ice provided that temperatures remained low enough for life to continue. And we know on the other hand that oceans rose more than 100 meters (at the end of the Pleistocene). 

 

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24 minutes ago, Polar said:

Is there a proof that Greenland was in fact in front of Gibraltar? I hope you know the answer to that question. It is not there in the video because nobody knows about this. Yeahh i know, think whatever...

And although "accretion" is a gradual process, it is the best i can describe this hypothetical "insufflation". The planet grew in its early stages by "accretion" of impactors since its beginning, 4 Billion years ago, right?

I propose a rapid expansion by impact, which would be also one of the reasons to justify how continental landmasses could have moved faster and smoother, than if you had "just" a semi molten crust in a static inertial state. 

But let me explain the best i can regarding the destruction, you mentioned. I firmly believe that there was ice on earth "the likes one never seen before". The only solution i found for the problem of the extreme heat is the cooling effect of the ice that existed, a gigantic cryosphere generated by the hypothetical earth's rotational pattern, with the north pole pointing towards the sun, like Uranus.

Then there would be enough cooling power to appease the molten crust, where it extruded its "guts" out. Likewise the snowball earth is part of my "weaving shroud", although completely "out of time", but that is another story:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth

If something of this magnitude would have occurred on earth, the only reason we would have survived is because of the many kilometers of ancient ice provided that temperatures remained low enough for life to continue. And we know on the other hand that oceans rose more than 100 meters (at the end of the Pleistocene). 

 

No. 

Said accretion occurred billions of years ago and is completely irrelevant to the timeframes of humans, meaning the last 2.8 million years. 
 

Which is neither in evidence nor how plate tectonics works. 
 

Surface ice during an Ice Age has NO direct effect on the cooling of tectonic plates nor can it. You’re mixing apples and oranges. 
 

Your ignorance of multiple scientific disciplines is embarrassing. 
 

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Polar
1 hour ago, jaylemurph said:

There is, however, proof /against/ virtually every claim Mario makes. 

What he’s suggesting is no less than every geologist on Earth, throughout history, is fundamentally wrong. He can provide no logical, reasonable mechanism by which what he claims happened could happen and his pervasive, militant ignorance of reality prevents him from even admitting the possibility he’s wrong. 

People like Mario, who believe what they want in the teeth of fact and basic reality, aren’t noble dreamers on a quest whose validity will one day be successful. They are dangerous and reckless and undermine the foundations of our common, Enlightenment values of reason and sound methodology.

It’s easy to draw a direct line between what Mario is trying to do and Trump-inspired seditionists attacking the US Capital to capture and kill Congress to end the “rule” of Q. They both thrive on fake news and substituting their personal fantasies for real facts. Mario may seem like a harmless eccentric, but he represents a real threat. He may well be the forerunner of a new Dark Age. 

—Jaylemurph 

Why are you saying this? Wasn't there any better picture for you to paint of me? Forerunner of a Dark age? I admit that i can be wrong, that my theory can be wrong. Satisfied? I am not here to convert anyone, but rather trying to understand it myself...

I can prove that the northern MAR "bulge" in front of Gibraltar is equivalent to the area and shape of Greenland. What are you talking about?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/bkocm1w3YnRBBNCM9

I can also show that there is a continental fit between several landmasses, for several thousands of kilometers:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Re4659EuQKB4Pi9j6

I repudiate your opinion, especially with regards to thriving on fake news, what is the matter with you? Your eloquent "lynching" is not a good sign for further discussions. I don't know why i even bother...

 

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jaylemurph
3 minutes ago, Polar said:

I can prove that the northern MAR "bulge" in front of Gibraltar is equivalent to the area and shape of Greenland. What are you talking about?

No. You can't.

The idea that you can "prove" it is proof of both your ignorance of actual science and inability to accept basic reality. You disingenuously -- and tiresomely -- claim not to understand what I'm saying. Whether you are genuinely that stupid -- and I make no claims you are, only what you appear to demonstrate here-- or whether you are not and just pretend to be, it's clearly no use to actually converse with you directly.

But I can state my opinion on the consequences of indulging your fantasies.

3 minutes ago, Polar said:

I repudiate your opinion, especially with regards to thriving on fake news, what is the matter with you? Your eloquent "lynching" is not a good sign for further discussions. I don't know why i even bother...

That would be because you don't bother, not in any meaningful sense of the word. You blast out your non-sense without respect for the scholars whose work you pervert and disrespect by deliberate or accidental misrepresentation, and whose generous intention in publishing their results you insult by refusing to engage in meaningful learning or debate. Nor do you have any thought of or respect for the consequences of your words and actions, which is childishly irresponsible. I am sure, as a scholar myself, that the people whose work you ignorantly parrot and distort would object loudly and strenuously to your "interpretations," yet you seem not to care where your specious data comes from as long as you can alter it to make the points you want. 

You're a liar. You're a thief. You're intellectually irresponsible and that makes you dangerous.

Please spare us all the histrionics of a denial and the performance of your existential horror at being correctly understood as a charlatan. You ran out of a sympathetic audience for that years ago.

--Jaylemurph

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21 hours ago, jaylemurph said:

No. You can't.

The idea that you can "prove" it is proof of both your ignorance of actual science and inability to accept basic reality. You disingenuously -- and tiresomely -- claim not to understand what I'm saying. Whether you are genuinely that stupid -- and I make no claims you are, only what you appear to demonstrate here-- or whether you are not and just pretend to be, it's clearly no use to actually converse with you directly.

But I can state my opinion on the consequences of indulging your fantasies.

That would be because you don't bother, not in any meaningful sense of the word. You blast out your non-sense without respect for the scholars whose work you pervert and disrespect by deliberate or accidental misrepresentation, and whose generous intention in publishing their results you insult by refusing to engage in meaningful learning or debate. Nor do you have any thought of or respect for the consequences of your words and actions, which is childishly irresponsible. I am sure, as a scholar myself, that the people whose work you ignorantly parrot and distort would object loudly and strenuously to your "interpretations," yet you seem not to care where your specious data comes from as long as you can alter it to make the points you want. 

You're a liar. You're a thief. You're intellectually irresponsible and that makes you dangerous.

Please spare us all the histrionics of a denial and the performance of your existential horror at being correctly understood as a charlatan. You ran out of a sympathetic audience for that years ago.

--Jaylemurph

 

What should i expect from you? no more no less. What's up with the liar and thief thing, are you a fan of Nirvana? 

Let me ask you something: If you were looking for a landmass (Atlantis) in front of Gibraltar, and found out that a few landmasses fit together, what would you do? Would you think you are a charlatan?

Are you implying that i altered these reconstructions in order to make them look the way they do? If not why is it there, this (apparent) continental fiting? 

These partial "reconstructions" were made with Google earth imagery at a same scale. What are the odds?

You threw my research in the trash and you become furious about simple and straight forward stuff. Yes, the current knowledge of earth sciences invalidates my theory. But, my reconstructions of the Gibraltar region are a strange fact, do you not agree? 

If you say they do not match, you need an eye doctor. You cannot tell that they do not match simply because you want to. There are ways to check this, but i did not have the time nor the expertise to do so, although i am getting there. 

I wonder why nobody commented on Neal Adams video, not even you. That video does forward something very scary. I do not agree with Neal Adams that there is any academic conspiracy against his theory. I disagree with everything other than the reconstruction. Again i do not know whether it could be true, but there is a great coincidence that the continents fit together under a smaller earth. 

This touches Pangaea in more ways than one can think of... although it does not invalidate it either. 

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Adams believes the Earth is growing through a process called pair production.

Adams holds the work of Australian geologist Samuel Warren Carey in high esteem, but considers the term “Expanding Earth” a misnomer.

While Carey did advocate an expanding Earth in the mid-20th century, his model was rejected following the development of the theory of plate tectonics.

https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2015/12/17/neal-adams-01-the-growing-earth/

You are not honestly discussing, therefore there hasn't been any progress. I know that there are useful tips i can gather here. I am perfectly aware of the impossibility factor in the whole idea. You keep wasting you time reminding me of my ignorance, but i can assure you that i am very aware of the problems raised by my line of thinking. 

You said i am irresponsible and dangerous, among other things.

I ask, if in fact that reconstruction meant something tectonically speaking, should we not disclose it? I can be ignorant about a lot of stuff but you have to acknowledge that in fact there is a fit, perhaps a coincidence, but a continental fit nonetheless.

If you do not see this basic one on one fact, i have to say you aren't up to discuss it adequately, again Ghandi would say that there hasn't been an honest disagreement...

But can anyone comment on Neal Adams other video. I hate when people speak of conspiracy theories, but i cannot ignore or deny the coincidental continental fit of expansionists reconstruction modelings. 

 

Take it easy, you'll live longer...

 

 

 

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Tone down the hostilities please folks.

The topic can be discussed without resorting to derogatory diatribes about other members.

Don't make things personal - discuss the points being presented, not the person who is making them.

Thank you.

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On 1/24/2021 at 11:57 AM, Polar said:

Definitely the most important question so far.

A great extinction would seem the most logic consequence of such an impact. And yet we are here.

The expansion of the planet is portrayed in this Neal Adams video (of an expanding earth). It is something i always wanted to ask folks around here. What's up with this model? Your input would be great.

 

Stupidest. Model. Ever.  And I'm trying to be polite.

If there *had* been (by some ridiculous mechanism) a planet expanding from below, then there would be no mountains and a lot more cracks than we have.  Don't believe me?  Dip a partly inflated balloon in paint, let the paint dry, then blow it up to 2-3 times the partly inflated size.  You'd get a lot of tiny islands and interwoven waters (assuming you can construct a source for water.)

Expanded because of stuff falling on it?  Then the pits and valleys would fill up and you'd end up with a featureless world.

There is no process (other than Handwavium and "Magicalness") that would produce the geology we see today with that absurd, science-free model.

 

 

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...and budgies.  I forgot budgies.  They explain everything.

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2 hours ago, Polar said:

 

What should i expect from you? no more no less. What's up with the liar and thief thing, are you a fan of Nirvana? 

Let me ask you something: If you were looking for a landmass (Atlantis) in front of Gibraltar, and found out that a few landmasses fit together, what would you do? Would you think you are a charlatan?

Are you implying that i altered these reconstructions in order to make them look the way they do? If not why is it there, this (apparent) continental fiting? 

These partial "reconstructions" were made with Google earth imagery at a same scale. What are the odds?

You threw my research in the trash and you become furious about simple and straight forward stuff. Yes, the current knowledge of earth sciences invalidates my theory. But, my reconstructions of the Gibraltar region are a strange fact, do you not agree? 

If you say they do not match, you need an eye doctor. You cannot tell that they do not match simply because you want to. There are ways to check this, but i did not have the time nor the expertise to do so, although i am getting there. 

I wonder why nobody commented on Neal Adams video, not even you. That video does forward something very scary. I do not agree with Neal Adams that there is any academic conspiracy against his theory. I disagree with everything other than the reconstruction. Again i do not know whether it could be true, but there is a great coincidence that the continents fit together under a smaller earth. 

This touches Pangaea in more ways than one can think of... although it does not invalidate it either. 

https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2015/12/17/neal-adams-01-the-growing-earth/

You are not honestly discussing, therefore there hasn't been any progress. I know that there are useful tips i can gather here. I am perfectly aware of the impossibility factor in the whole idea. You keep wasting you time reminding me of my ignorance, but i can assure you that i am very aware of the problems raised by my line of thinking. 

You said i am irresponsible and dangerous, among other things.

I ask, if in fact that reconstruction meant something tectonically speaking, should we not disclose it? I can be ignorant about a lot of stuff but you have to acknowledge that in fact there is a fit, perhaps a coincidence, but a continental fit nonetheless.

If you do not see this basic one on one fact, i have to say you aren't up to discuss it adequately, again Ghandi would say that there hasn't been an honest disagreement...

But can anyone comment on Neal Adams other video. I hate when people speak of conspiracy theories, but i cannot ignore or deny the coincidental continental fit of expansionists reconstruction modelings. 

 

Take it easy, you'll live longer...

 

 

 

I’d suggest you re-read my post to see why direct discussion with you is a waste of time, but we all know you don’t /read/ anything anyone else writes. 

Am I implying you doctor images you post? No. I am outright declaring it. That Kirchner image of the Isle of Atlantis was flagrantly upside down each of the fifty times you’ve posted. You’ve been called out on it a dozen times: either you conveniently forgot that (which I find highly improbable) or you’re lying. Yet again. 

Nobody commented on your video because no one watched it because no one wants to waste their time. 

—Jaylemurph 

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2 hours ago, Saru said:

Tone down the hostilities please folks.

The topic can be discussed without resorting to derogatory diatribes about other members.

Don't make things personal - discuss the points being presented, not the person who is making them.

Thank you.

With respect, part of any debate or discussion involves analyzing the source of information — and it’s all the more important to do so if and when the source is... manipulating the info provided. 

Mario does that. Frequently. He misrepresents the work of others — knowingly or not, I can’t say for sure, but I can say it’s habitual and has been pointed out to Mario hundreds of times.  That’s not name-calling or being insulting when it 100% accurately and fairly describes the activities Mario chooses to engage in.

—Jaylemurph 

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