Fox News Host, Shreds Election Fraud Claims

[Raptor Witness]

10 hours ago, and then said:

What constitutes proof for you?  Have you paid any attention to the statements of eyewitnesses and the statistical data that's been presented?  Maybe you expect Biden to admit it?  Maybe you actually believe the senile old fool drew 80 million votes but couldn't generate enough interest or enthusiasm to get 80 people to a campaign event?  If Biden gets inaugurated, the rage will be very brief but the blowback will be years-long cold fury.  Those doing the laughing will find it increasingly more difficult to do.

The mathematics that you seem to be conveniently forgetting, are that the Republican Party actually did fairly well in most of their contested races. It’s just Donald Trump who got trounced, so you know that has to sting.

If the Democrats somehow stole the election for themselves, why didn’t they bother to easily steal the Senate for themselves, while they were at it?  

You cannot be an intelligent person and believe this nonsense that you keep parroting.

Have you ever tried thinking for yourself, for a change? When the next comet swings by, are you going to put on your tennis shoes and lay down on your little cot to die? 

 

[+and-then]

29 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Sure, i believe a lot of people want to distance themselves as far away from trump as possible and do it as safely for theirselves and their survival as they can

You speak about "survival" very casually.  Since when in America have we accepted violence against those who have different opinions about how the nation needs to proceed?  Do you even grasp how RADICAL your statement is?  It's like you are down with anything that your group feels it needs to do to force compliance.  Your America sounds a lot like a dictatorship.  That is never going to happen in my country.  

[the13bats]

1 hour ago, and then said:

You speak about "survival" very casually.  Since when in America have we accepted violence against those who have different opinions about how the nation needs to proceed?  Do you even grasp how RADICAL your statement is?  It's like you are down with anything that your group feels it needs to do to force compliance.  Your America sounds a lot like a dictatorship.  That is never going to happen in my country.  

Oooh more special capitalized words for the sake of drama.

There you go making up stuff a person never said, survival of the Republican party beavis, you know the party you were good with until they got over your messiahs buffooning and failures and showed him the door.

the GOP kicking trump to the curb for all his countless life costing epic failures and disaster of a presidency is not violent or radical at all, you have zero room to bray about radical,

i and many others here have seen you post about what you wouldnt stand for and your threats of violence and forced compliance if trump didnt win, not long back you posted you would only abide by laws biden passed if you were forced but your cop buddies would let you slide and be a law breaking thug,

The only dictator was trump and he was voted out in a big way in a fair election that you are in melt down over,

[RavenHawk]

4 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

 a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Of course, rarely does the “community” own or regulate the means of production under Socialism (of any flavor).  It usually turns out to be some group of power-hungry despots that usurp the community.  They control the means of production by raising taxes and increasing regulation, etc.

[RavenHawk]

5 hours ago, TigerBright19 said:

If voter fraud is properly investigated and exposed, then I wonder what the next election will look like?

 

2024 election - with increased security.

 

 

 

And what would look like if the fraud is not exposed?

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-26527422

 

One of the reasons that fraud can exist is because so very few actually do vote and the lax attention of maintaining the voter rolls.  I wonder if we had mandatory elections and an aggressive method of keeping the voter rolls clean, if that would thwart election tampering or would it just encourage the Antifa/Brownshirts types begin coercing voters?  If you can’t cheat then they will resort to violence.  That is what they tried most of this year.  Of course, if we go with mandatory voting, there needs to be an “NO” option on the ballot that represents that you are not voting for anyone, just performing one’s duty.  Also, if we go with a bitcoin strategy to tabulate votes, it wouldn’t matter if one votes in person, by mail-in, or even on-line, each vote can be analyzed by two distinct partisan groups, in different locations.  Bitcoin provides ballot verification.

 

[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, and then said:

You speak about "survival" very casually.  Since when in America have we accepted violence against those who have different opinions about how the nation needs to proceed? 

Such a strange place to jump based on survival.

 

Political survival andthen.  You think Trump upset the Dems?  What do you think he did to the Republicans?  Do you think guys who have been in charge under Democratic and Republican presidents for 20 years want to suddenly kis*- b*tt  for a clueless, lazy TV personality?  Did they resent him?  Probably, but he was useful.

It is not about different opinions whatsoever andthen. Different opinions are great and we can talk about them all day long.  Sometimes we even realize the other person made a point.  But this is not about different ideas.  It was not even between each side's supporters.

  It is about power.

Donald Trump may indeed beat the Democrats, but they regroup and try again.   He swallowed the Republican party whole.  He tried to swallow their power and use it himself, and with his skills he could.  He was a greater threat to the Republicans and their leadership than he was to the Democrats.    Nancy Pelosi could stand up toe to toe with him  and give him the evil eye.  None of the Republicans would have survived that and they knew it.

If the election had been rigged, the Republicans, the DOJ and the FBI would know it.  Republican governors  would know it.  When they were sure Trump lost, he was not so useful anymore.   If they send him out crazy and unelectable, they probably think he is out of the picture..

Some of the Republican leadership may calculate that they will have more power and less headaches with Biden in the White House. than Trump. 

[Tatetopa]

19 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Also, if we go with a bitcoin strategy to tabulate votes, it wouldn’t matter if one votes in person, by mail-in, or even on-line, each vote can be analyzed by two distinct partisan groups, in different locations.  Bitcoin provides ballot verification.

Block chain do you mean?  I think the Post Office patented just such a thing for vote traceability this year or last.  I'm game.  Lets do it.  We can never sit back and assume it is infallible.  Somebody will find a way and we need to be ready for that too.

[RavenHawk]

5 hours ago, Autochthon1990 said:

Mail ins get counted last and one guy spent six months telling his minions not to use mail in votes.

That’s why mail-in is conducive to voter fraud.  That little observation gives cover to fraud.  Things must change.  Mail-in ballots must have a tight custodianship and count them as they come in.

 

And that one guy that spent six months telling his minions not to use mail in ballots, did so to assure them not to fear covid.  Covid has been turned into a monster.  Fear can be used in a manufactured crisis to manipulate the system.  If those voters had gone with mail-in, in the current system, would give those that are committing fraud, time to replace or cancel-out those votes.  But it wouldn’t have mattered how big the turn out was for Trump, even though it was record, because of mail-in, enough ballots for Biden to take the lead would be found.

 

[Rlyeh]

8 hours ago, and then said:

Have you even bothered to research the allegations or is the outcome already known, in your opinion?  I assume that you are just ignoring the witnesses and their allegations.  Not very scientific of you.  To reject a thing without investigation is the worst kind of ignorance.  

Like your research?  A senile old fool can't get 80 million votes, real scientific research there.

[Vorg]

13 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Those are only proof when the claims are examined in court.  Anybody can say anything they want with no repercussions in the media.  Anybody can pretend to display statistics with no repercussions in the media.

If evidence is placed before the bench and holds up to investigation and cross examination then it becomes proof.   That becomes proof for me.  I will honor the decisions made in court and open for public record whether I like them or not.

But the courts are investigating, even GOP judges are dismissing baseless claims and Trump does not honor the courts judgements.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

6 hours ago, and then said:

You speak about "survival" very casually.  Since when in America have we accepted violence against those who have different opinions about how the nation needs to proceed?  .  

1765 or thereabouts, certainly by 1861.

Edited December 1, 2020 by Sir Wearer of Hats

[Setton]

14 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

hope Trump will win again  to protect our world .

You're a couple of weeks late with that wish.

Incidentally, there's a lot more in Christianity to support socialism than capitalism. I suggest you step away from the nutty preachers and open a Bible.

[RavenHawk]

3 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

1765 or thereabouts, certainly by 1861.

I don't think that is what he meant.  But if we look at it your way, then the Left takes on the role of the British or the South.  In the beginning, they both had the upper hand but eventually ran into their respective high water marks (Saratoga and Gettysburg).  And the right side eventually won out despite the odds.

[RavenHawk]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

Incidentally, there's a lot more in Christianity to support socialism than capitalism. I suggest you step away from the nutty preachers and open a Bible.

That is incorrect and just out right wrong.  This is a subject of its own thread so I won’t labor the point much.  Socialism is an absence of private property rights.  GOD was pro-property rights from the covenant with Abraham that his children shall inherit the Land of Milk and Honey to Moses and the Ten Commandments stating that thou shall not steal or covet (implying property rights).  The whole concept of birthright is based on property rights.  That is central to the Jewish community and to the message of the Bible.  Yes, Jesus did tell others to sell all they have and give to the poor, but there’s more to that.  For one, Jesus came at a transient time in history.  Most were not property owners.  He spoke to the individual, not to a government or even a community.  The point being that it is up to the individual to take the initiative to give and not be coerced by the collective.  It is not a divine mandate of the government to force compliance and under Socialism, forcing compliance is a never-ending process.

 

[RavenHawk]

8 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Block chain do you mean?

That is probably a better term for the concept.  Bitcoin is probably the better known application.

 

I think the Post Office patented just such a thing for vote traceability this year or last.  I'm game.  Lets do it.  We can never sit back and assume it is infallible.  Somebody will find a way and we need to be ready for that too.

Anything Man can create, Man can also destroy.  So instead of trying to defend something and prevent attack, design it to withstand attempts to subvert it.

 

[Setton]

1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

That is incorrect and just out right wrong.  This is a subject of its own thread so I won’t labor the point much.  Socialism is an absence of private property rights.  GOD was pro-property rights from the covenant with Abraham that his children shall inherit the Land of Milk and Honey to Moses and the Ten Commandments stating that thou shall not steal or covet (implying property rights).  The whole concept of birthright is based on property rights.  That is central to the Jewish community and to the message of the Bible.  Yes, Jesus did tell others to sell all they have and give to the poor, but there’s more to that.  For one, Jesus came at a transient time in history.  Most were not property owners.  He spoke to the individual, not to a government or even a community.  The point being that it is up to the individual to take the initiative to give and not be coerced by the collective.  It is not a divine mandate of the government to force compliance and under Socialism, forcing compliance is a never-ending process.

 

 

 

Got it, you're not ignorant of Christianity, you're ignorant of socialism.

Socialism is in no way an absence of property rights. You're thinking of communism. As usual.

[Setton]

3 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

I don't think that is what he meant.  But if we look at it your way, then the Left takes on the role of the British or the South.  In the beginning, they both had the upper hand but eventually ran into their respective high water marks (Saratoga and Gettysburg).  And the right side eventually won out despite the odds.

So you agree Biden is the right side and has eventually won out despite Trump's stacking the odds in his favour with all his propaganda and fiddling the funds?

Excellent.

[Raptor Witness]

11 hours ago, the13bats said:

Oooh more special capitalized words for the sake of drama.

The best laugh of the day, so far.

@and then It’s like these people have opted for a voluntary lobotomy, and no amount of reason ever enters their brain, again.

[the13bats]

23 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

The best laugh of the day, so far.

@and then It’s like these people have opted for a voluntary lobotomy, and no amount of reason ever enters their brain, again.

Agreed, you did provide the best laugh of the day

[RavenHawk]

20 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Neither do you, like always you give dark unsubstantiated opinions, that are never backed up with any factual information. But, I suppose that when you have no proof for the comments you make Conspiracy theories are all you have left, so please knock yourself out!!  

“to stand up to China” – round one went to Trump with a deal known as Phase I.  The monies from that is distributed to our farmers and probably the wall.  Bidet will capitulate to Xi.  Bidet won’t even be able to stand up to his own party.  Bidet is in Xi’s back pocket.  There’ll be nothing to stop China’s expansion.  Round two would have occurred in Trump’s second term and he would be dictating terms to China.

 

“and Iran,” – after the killing of Soleimani and Fakhrizadeh, plus sanctions has Iran on the ropes and Bidet let them off and give them hundreds of billions of dollars to like us again.  Thomas Jefferson refused to make that mistake.

 

“to sue for peace in the Middle East,” – Who else is being nominated for 3 Noble Peace Prizes?  And it all started acknowledging Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.  It signaled the Arabs that the Palestinians were not players anymore.  How do you think Fakhrizadeh was able to be killed?  Israeli intel, Saudi Arabian logistics, and UAE hit teams.  Somehow, Bidet will mess all three of those peace initiatives up and get us into a shooting war with Russia, probably in Syria.  It’ll be Fast and Furious II, Damascus Drift.

 

“To stand up to allies and make them pull their own weight to stand up to Russia,” – our allies are stronger today because Trump pushed them to be better.  He let them know that they don’t need us to push back on Russia.  A strong European presence in Europe is far better than a US presence.  We still remain an ally and the Arsenal of Democracy.  After tasting the liberty of standing on their own two feet, Europe may not want Bidet mucking around with the new status quo.

 

“to make the economy robust enough to withstand the shutdowns,” – So what was the workforce participation under Obama?  What was it under Trump?  Where Obama had undermined American business and chased off jobs, Trump turned it around and allowed the market to roar and unemployment in every group to drop.  We are coming out of this recession in record time and that’s because of our strong economy.  Bidet will raise taxes and increase regulation which will cause jobs to go away, wages to stagnate, and price increases to be passed onto the consumer.  The economy will return to a poverty level growth just so that everybody can have equal outcome.

 

“to bring Operation Warp Speed to fruition (you may not like how he handled the front end of this pandemic, but the back end is going to save millions more lives than the millions he already has),” – The science said that if Trump did nothing that 2.2 million Americans would die.  Looks like his actions saved 2 million lives.  And in the coming months we will probably see more spikes in cases but the death rate will continue to drop and with the vaccines coming out in record time, we will have reached herd immunity.  Bidet will shutdown our economy until it won’t bounce back any time soon and the cure becomes more deadly than the disease.

 

“and to stand up to the Left and their minions.” – Trump has taken on the Socialists, their propaganda arm, and their brownshirts.  For four years, their TDS has lead to their ruin as they tried in vain to get this man out of office.  It is already backfiring on them from loses at the Congress and State legislature levels which will continue with more loses at the midterm.  To the rise of alternative social media sites that don’t censor.  Bidet is quickly going to turn into the worse President since Obama (and Carter before him).  But he probably won’t last 6 months anyway as they will use Hunter or his cognitive degeneration to remove him as President.  They might let him stay if the Dems don’t gain the Senate.  But the House will be interesting this time.  It still looks like the Republicans will get 213 seats (they are leading in every remaining contest).  That means that the Republicans will only need to persuade 5 moderate dems to vote against their party with no defection of their own to wield power.  Could be interesting times and in every situation but one, Bidet is already a lame duck.

 

This is Trumps legacy.  It has made America better than she was.  It hasn’t gone anywhere.  It is alive in millions of Americans.  It is stronger than ever and Trump did that.  It’s not about him, but just plain old Americanism reborn.  We’re not going to let fraud stop us.  The Left has expended all their capital.  The people do not trust elections anymore and they will resort to other means to defend their liberties.  The more Bidet calls for unity, the more opposition he will have.  We’ve had enough arrogance and hypocrisy.

 

Does any of this need backing up?  This is common knowledge.  It is “in the news”.  Only someone that refuses to see reality will also reject anything offered in support.  You’ve pretty much lost all credibility to ask or even demand supporting links, if you are not willing to go out and look at other things besides the MSM and what they feed you.  Trump is the light and he has exposed the darkness.

 

[RavenHawk]

2 hours ago, Setton said:

So you agree Biden is the right side and has eventually won out despite Trump's stacking the odds in his favour with all his propaganda and fiddling the funds?

Excellent.

No, I do not agree.  Bidet hasn’t been right for 50 years.  At their perspective times, England was wrong and the South was wrong.  They could not evolve beyond their antiquated ways.  Afterwards, they did change and evolve forwards.  People can move forward away from Socialism if they are given the chance.

 

And how is Trump stacking the odds?  It’s the Left that has stacked the odds.  Cheating is the only way they can win.

 

[RavenHawk]

3 hours ago, Setton said:

Got it, you're not ignorant of Christianity, you're ignorant of socialism.

I am ignorant of neither.  This needs to be its own thread.

 

Socialism is in no way an absence of property rights. You're thinking of communism. As usual.

There is no difference.  It is just a matter of degree.  The only real difference is academic.  Perhaps I should have said an absence of unabridged individual property rights.  Is that better?

 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

7 hours ago, Setton said:

You're a couple of weeks late with that wish.

Incidentally, there's a lot more in Christianity to support socialism than capitalism. I suggest you step away from the nutty preachers and open a Bible.

In fact, the first Christian communities, once the schism from Judaism had been completed after the destruction of the second Temple, established by either the Apostles or the Apostle’s initial apprentices (and therefore the Gospel writers) were very communistical. No individual property rights, everyone worked for the good of the community etc etc.

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

“to stand up to China” – round one went to Trump with a deal known as Phase I.  The monies from that is distributed to our farmers and probably the wall.  Bidet will capitulate to Xi.  Bidet won’t even be able to stand up to his own party.  Bidet is in Xi’s back pocket.  There’ll be nothing to stop China’s expansion.  Round two would have occurred in Trump’s second term and he would be dictating terms to China.

 

 

 

“and Iran,” – after the killing of Soleimani and Fakhrizadeh, plus sanctions has Iran on the ropes and Bidet let them off and give them hundreds of billions of dollars to like us again.  Thomas Jefferson refused to make that mistake.

 

 

 

“to sue for peace in the Middle East,” – Who else is being nominated for 3 Noble Peace Prizes?  And it all started acknowledging Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.  It signaled the Arabs that the Palestinians were not players anymore.  How do you think Fakhrizadeh was able to be killed?  Israeli intel, Saudi Arabian logistics, and UAE hit teams.  Somehow, Bidet will mess all three of those peace initiatives up and get us into a shooting war with Russia, probably in Syria.  It’ll be Fast and Furious II, Damascus Drift.

 

 

 

“To stand up to allies and make them pull their own weight to stand up to Russia,” – our allies are stronger today because Trump pushed them to be better.  He let them know that they don’t need us to push back on Russia.  A strong European presence in Europe is far better than a US presence.  We still remain an ally and the Arsenal of Democracy.  After tasting the liberty of standing on their own two feet, Europe may not want Bidet mucking around with the new status quo.

 

 

 

“to make the economy robust enough to withstand the shutdowns,” – So what was the workforce participation under Obama?  What was it under Trump?  Where Obama had undermined American business and chased off jobs, Trump turned it around and allowed the market to roar and unemployment in every group to drop.  We are coming out of this recession in record time and that’s because of our strong economy.  Bidet will raise taxes and increase regulation which will cause jobs to go away, wages to stagnate, and price increases to be passed onto the consumer.  The economy will return to a poverty level growth just so that everybody can have equal outcome.

 

 

 

“to bring Operation Warp Speed to fruition (you may not like how he handled the front end of this pandemic, but the back end is going to save millions more lives than the millions he already has),” – The science said that if Trump did nothing that 2.2 million Americans would die.  Looks like his actions saved 2 million lives.  And in the coming months we will probably see more spikes in cases but the death rate will continue to drop and with the vaccines coming out in record time, we will have reached herd immunity.  Bidet will shutdown our economy until it won’t bounce back any time soon and the cure becomes more deadly than the disease.

 

 

 

“and to stand up to the Left and their minions.” – Trump has taken on the Socialists, their propaganda arm, and their brownshirts.  For four years, their TDS has lead to their ruin as they tried in vain to get this man out of office.  It is already backfiring on them from loses at the Congress and State legislature levels which will continue with more loses at the midterm.  To the rise of alternative social media sites that don’t censor.  Bidet is quickly going to turn into the worse President since Obama (and Carter before him).  But he probably won’t last 6 months anyway as they will use Hunter or his cognitive degeneration to remove him as President.  They might let him stay if the Dems don’t gain the Senate.  But the House will be interesting this time.  It still looks like the Republicans will get 213 seats (they are leading in every remaining contest).  That means that the Republicans will only need to persuade 5 moderate dems to vote against their party with no defection of their own to wield power.  Could be interesting times and in every situation but one, Bidet is already a lame duck.

 

 

 

This is Trumps legacy.  It has made America better than she was.  It hasn’t gone anywhere.  It is alive in millions of Americans.  It is stronger than ever and Trump did that.  It’s not about him, but just plain old Americanism reborn.  We’re not going to let fraud stop us.  The Left has expended all their capital.  The people do not trust elections anymore and they will resort to other means to defend their liberties.  The more Bidet calls for unity, the more opposition he will have.  We’ve had enough arrogance and hypocrisy.

 

 

 

Does any of this need backing up?  This is common knowledge.  It is “in the news”.  Only someone that refuses to see reality will also reject anything offered in support.  You’ve pretty much lost all credibility to ask or even demand supporting links, if you are not willing to go out and look at other things besides the MSM and what they feed you.  Trump is the light and he has exposed the darkness.

 

 

 

Thank you very much for you opinion, now please do a colonic flush and get all of Trumps kool-aid out of you system! Here's your problem you like so many other people that are part of Trumps base, have fallen under is his spell. Sadly you don't even know it happened, but it's obvious that you  bought into his lies and now you can separate fact from fiction.