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On January 6, Mike Pence Counts EC Votes

On January 6, Mike Pence Counts Electoral Votes.  

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  1. 1. Will he accept votes from contested states? Or will he throw them out?

    • Pence accepts contested Electoral College votes.
    • Pence rejects Electoral College votes from 7 contested states.


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CrimsonKing
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27 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

I'd say the claims have cost the taxpayer a heck of a lot, disrupted the election process and destabilized public opinions of the voting system.

Once he had been dragged out of the Whitehouse, it seems a travesty of justice if he isn't made to stand trial to explain his false claims of election fraud and be held accountable for the costs generated. 

Americans often claim president's in the past have got away with hell I'm public office. This is a rather blatant example that many seem more than willing to overlook. Seems incredibly hypocritical of Trump supporters. 

I'll explain it in pretty short terms,as a person who voted for Trump the first time around but sat this election on the sideline.

When Trump first came into office,Hillary and Dems in the US and around the world said "the election was rigged by Trump and the Russians",cost as you said above "the taxpayer a heck of a lot" investigating for 4 years,and destablized voters on the lefts opinion of the voting system.

Hillary was still repeating 2016 was "Stolen" as recently as this past summer,along with democrat voters who just couldn't accept Mueller saying "nothing i can do"

All of that went on for almost 4 years...

I'm not siding with Trump on all this theatre,but it certainly isn't unprecedented...i see it as more pot meet kettle.

These last 2 elections and reactions by candidates and ALL full grown adult voters has been an embarrassment to this country...

Just my opinion

Eta

I'll change that to ALL voters who have acted like god damn babies over their "dear party" losing...

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psyche101
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9 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

I'll explain it in pretty short terms,as a person who voted for Trump the first time around but sat this election on the sideline.

When Trump first came into office,Hillary and Dems in the US and around the world said "the election was rigged by Trump and the Russians",cost as you said above "the taxpayer a heck of a lot" investigating for 4 years,and destablized voters on the lefts opinion of the voting system.

Hillary was still repeating 2016 was "Stolen" as recently as this past summer,along with democrat voters who just couldn't accept Mueller saying "nothing i can do"

All of that went on for almost 4 years...

I'm not siding with Trump on all this theatre,but it certainly isn't unprecedented...i see it as more pot meet kettle.

These last 2 elections and reactions by candidates and ALL full grown adult voters has been an embarrassment to this country...

Just my opinion

Wasn't there valid information that was thrown out because you can't charge a president? I was of the impression he escaped under a technicality. 

I don't remember seeing unfounded claims halting things like this has at great expense to taxpayers or such an agrressive attack without evidence. I haven't seen a president use the public like he does. Trumps comments on married women and the way he ripped off fellow Americans in the Baja Condos debacle shows he was never got for the role. I see that as deplorable behaviour toward the people he is supposed to be leading. Not to mention in all my life, I have never seen America as divided as it is under Trump. Globally, Trump's not popular. 

After 4 years, things look worse than ever and all in seeing is a self important jerk rorting public systems.

As a person I find Trump disgusting. Before politics I find as a human he failed. I would not want a person with those values and morals as my leader. Thankfully that's not an option for me. 

Also JMO, but that's where I'm coming from.

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Golden Duck
1 hour ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

I posted this question in another thread and no one answered, so maybe I will have more luck here:

Can any of the people who think the election was rigged tell me why the democrats apparently didn't rig the senate and house elections too ? 

I answered! ;)

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Golden Duck
1 hour ago, To do list said:

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Best Photoshop Ever

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CrimsonKing
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9 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Wasn't there valid information that was thrown out because you can't charge a president? I was of the impression he escaped under a technicality. 

I don't remember seeing unfounded claims halting things like this has at great expense to taxpayers or such an agrressive attack without evidence. I haven't seen a president use the public like he does. Trumps comments on married women and the way he ripped off fellow Americans in the Baja Condos debacle shows he was never got for the role. I see that as deplorable behaviour toward the people he is supposed to be leading. Not to mention in all my life, I have never seen America as divided as it is under Trump. Globally, Trump's not popular. 

After 4 years, things look worse than ever and all in seeing is a self important jerk rorting public systems.

As a person I find Trump disgusting. Before politics I find as a human he failed. I would not want a person with those values and morals as my leader. Thankfully that's not an option for me. 

There's a lot of information that there was a lot of people doing corrupt things on both sides of the investigation...

Our inner workings are rotten to the core!

I won't defend any of Trumps past comments,yes many were beyond crude to say the least,but many of our leaders past and present have said and done some disgusting things...hell if you take Biden on his past remarks,he's a raving racist!

Fortunately i don't believe we have anyone in Washington with values and morals :lol:

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I've known a few who have tried to push Joe's past stupidity off as "he has a known stutter that is why..."

That's not how stuttering works :lol:

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Golden Duck
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26 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

I'll explain it in pretty short terms,as a person who voted for Trump the first time around but sat this election on the sideline.

When Trump first came into office,Hillary and Dems in the US and around the world said "the election was rigged by Trump and the Russians",cost as you said above "the taxpayer a heck of a lot" investigating for 4 years,and destablized voters on the lefts opinion of the voting system.

Hillary was still repeating 2016 was "Stolen" as recently as this past summer,along with democrat voters who just couldn't accept Mueller saying "nothing i can do"

All of that went on for almost 4 years...

I'm not siding with Trump on all this theatre,but it certainly isn't unprecedented...i see it as more pot meet kettle.

These last 2 elections and reactions by candidates and ALL full grown adult voters has been an embarrassment to this country...

Just my opinion

Eta

I'll change that to ALL voters who have acted like god damn babies over their "dear party" losing...

I never understood it too much.  A journal prints some information that may, or may not, influence a significant number of voters.  What's the difference is the journal is foreign or domestic?

PS. Comey put the nail in the coffin of Hillary's run.

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CrimsonKing
2 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

I never understood it too much.  A journal prints some information that may, or may not, influence a significant number of voters.  What's the difference is the journal is foreign or domestic?

None really...

Not sure i follow how that ties into my above post?

What matters is if said "journal" prints real or false information,and if it was deliberately printed falsely or not.

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Golden Duck
4 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

None really...

Not sure i follow how that ties into my above post?

What matters is if said "journal" prints real or false information,and if it was deliberately printed falsely or not.

I would think what matters most if it can be said to reasonably affect a significant number of voters.  That is, Russian Interference - whether, or not, Trump was involved - had little effect compared to Comey's announcement that he was investigating the HRC's emails.

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1 hour ago, To do list said:

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What an epic fail, the caption reads "can of worms" but they have bidens head on the creatures body, not worms coming out of the can and the can is mislabeled "V.P.". Very lame.

Now this on the other hand is fun for the entire family, really hilarious.

2 hours ago, President-Elect Acidhead said:

Coming week weather forecast!!!!! 

 

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We all know trump is a blow hard full of hot air and we know his hissy fit trantrump over his epic election lost has been getting worse day by day so he will huff and puff and bluster and Biden will still be potus, 

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CrimsonKing
Just now, Golden Duck said:

I would think what matters most if it can be said to reasonably affect a significant number of voters.  That is, Russian Interference - whether, or not, Trump was involved - had little effect compared to Comey's announcement that he was investigating the HRC's emails.

Yet it was ALL tied to Trump and broadcast repeatedly around the world for 4 years as "Trump-Russia collusion"

I get it,yes we have a lot of "uninformed" voters here in the states...if enough people can't do their own homework,and are easily fooled by facebook ads,tv "journalist"ect...who's fault is that :mellow:

 

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CrimsonKing
7 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

 had little effect compared to Comey's announcement that he was investigating the HRC's emails.

That might have hurt a lil,but not near as much as some might think...

This Nation has been split since 2000,even after the Post story on Hunters investigation was proven true after being categorically denied by Biden and most of the msm...it showed a decent lil percentage would have thought twice about their vote,but not really enough to change things.

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psyche101
27 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

There's a lot of information that there was a lot of people doing corrupt things on both sides of the investigation...

Our inner workings are rotten to the core!

I won't defend any of Trumps past comments,yes many were beyond crude to say the least,but many of our leaders past and present have said and done some disgusting things...hell if you take Biden on his past remarks,he's a raving racist!

Fortunately i don't believe we have anyone in Washington with values and morals :lol:

Eta

I've known a few who have tried to push Joe's past stupidity off as "he has a known stutter that is why..."

That's not how stuttering works :lol:

I'm honestly not sure about that. Ive seen Biden's alleged racism and it was clearly "Trumped up" to be something it's not. Old friends who spent a short time in the KKK who left before knowing Joe and have used those years as a lesson to others on how wrong one can go. All I can go in is what I hear from the individuals to evade the bias by media sources, and honestly, Trump's his own worst enemy. The things he has said I feel earns him the title of deplorable. Bet he hasn't the guts to tell the husband's of the wives he has grabbed on the you know what about his conquests. I'd love to see him face one though. In fact I'd pay to see that. 

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46 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

I'll explain it in pretty short terms,as a person who voted for Trump the first time around but sat this election on the sideline.

When Trump first came into office,Hillary and Dems in the US and around the world said "the election was rigged by Trump and the Russians",cost as you said above "the taxpayer a heck of a lot" investigating for 4 years,and destablized voters on the lefts opinion of the voting system.

Whoa.  No one said the election was rigged.  Hillary Clinton conceded the night of the election.  Trump was invited to the White House soon after, and a normal transition occurred.  What was said, and is still being said by the entire intelligence community, is that Russia ran a gigantic social media campaign to influence the election.  Something that Trump, nor his supporters still can't admit.  Look, Trump's supporters are the type of people that shoot up a pizza place, because they saw on social media that Hillary Clinton was running a child sex ring in the basement.  Trump supporters are the ones that see a meme on Facebook, or a video on Youtube, and to them, it's truth.  Russia had an entire wing dedicated to using social media to help get Trump elected.  That's fact.  Now, as far as by Trump and the Russians.  What we do know is that the Trump campaign admitted to meeting with a lawyer from the Kremlin who claimed to have dirt on a political opponent.  We know that Trump himself said just a year ago that he would be willing to accept help from foreign countries to win an election.  We know that Trump withheld aid to another country in exchange for announcing an investigation in to a political opponent.  And we know that Trump asked the Georgia secretary of state to "find" enough votes to win him the state.  Imagine if Obama did any of this.  This is absolute lunacy what you people are willing to look past.  Democracy is dead.

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CrimsonKing
2 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

Whoa.  No one said the election was rigged.  Hillary Clinton conceded the night of the election.  Trump was invited to the White House soon after, and a normal transition occurred.  What was said, and is still being said by the entire intelligence community, is that Russia ran a gigantic social media campaign to influence the election.  Something that Trump, nor his supporters still can't admit.  Look, Trump's supporters are the type of people that shoot up a pizza place, because they saw on social media that Hillary Clinton was running a child sex ring in the basement.  Trump supporters are the ones that see a meme on Facebook, or a video on Youtube, and to them, it's truth.  Russia had an entire wing dedicated to using social media to help get Trump elected.  That's fact.  Now, as far as by Trump and the Russians.  What we do know is that the Trump campaign admitted to meeting with a lawyer from the Kremlin who claimed to have dirt on a political opponent.  We know that Trump himself said just a year ago that he would be willing to accept help from foreign countries to win an election.  We know that Trump withheld aid to another country in exchange for announcing an investigation in to a political opponent.  And we know that Trump asked the Georgia secretary of state to "find" enough votes to win him the state.  Imagine if Obama did any of this.  This is absolute lunacy what you people are willing to look past.  Democracy is dead.

I find it "lunacy" some of "you people" still can't read between the lines and have a decent discussion with people having slightly different views on things than youselves...

Some of you rant,rave,bicker,lash out,and basically soil yourselves over god damn politics...pathetic!

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Just now, CrimsonKing said:

I find it "lunacy" some of "you people" still can't read between the lines and have a decent discussion with people having slightly different views on things than youselves...

Some of you rant,rave,bicker,lash out,and basically soil yourselves over god damn politics...pathetic!

I'm sorry, but you can you tell me where I lashed out?  Did "whoa" offend you?  I think your post is nothing more than deflection, as you can't really think of anything in my post to refute.  

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Golden Duck
4 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

Yet it was ALL tied to Trump and broadcast repeatedly around the world for 4 years as "Trump-Russia collusion"

I get it,yes we have a lot of "uninformed" voters here in the states...if enough people can't do their own homework,and are easily fooled by facebook ads,tv "journalist"ect...who's fault is that :mellow:

Years ago we a a referendum about becoming a republic.  A group of us mates were sitting around at the club chatting about it.  One of the girlfriends declared she didn't really know anything about it and was just going to vote the same as her boyfriend.  If that wasn't bad enough her boyfriend was going to vote the wrong way. ;)

I am actually agreeing with you that "Trump-Russia collusion" was a waste.  That is because Russian Interference amounted to nothing more than Russia Today publishing journals.  A nothing-burger punishment should fit a nothing-burger crime; so, why bother worrying if someone was involved.

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CrimsonKing
Just now, Agent0range said:

I'm sorry, but you can you tell me where I lashed out?  Did "whoa" offend you?  I think your post is nothing more than deflection, as you can't really think of anything in my post to refute.  

You said "this is absolute lunacy what you people are willing to look past" quoting my post...

Me and you have discussed next to none of those issues personaly.

So if you have a problem with me personally,i really don't give a s***!

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the13bats

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25 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

I'm sorry, but you can you tell me where I lashed out?  Did "whoa" offend you?  I think your post is nothing more than deflection, as you can't really think of anything in my post to refute.  

Your other post was nail on head and respectfully stated.

One thing this forum has shown and taught me is who are trumps subjects, no matter what they cant control their anger when Trump isnt hailed and they quickly turn to insult.

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CrimsonKing
1 minute ago, the13bats said:

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Your other post was nail on head and respectfully stated.

One thing this forum has shown and taught me is who are trumps subjects, no matter what they cant control their anger when Trump isnt hailed and they quickly turn to insult.

You have become nothing but a troll,you follow a few around on here and try to stoke more arguments...

You ad very little to any thread other than "god damn Trumpers!"...don't believe me,have a mod post your last 100 or so political posts.

They read exactly as i have described them.

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the13bats
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1 hour ago, CrimsonKing said:

You have become nothing but a troll,you follow a few around on here and try to stoke more arguments...

You ad very little to any thread other than "god damn Trumpers!"...don't believe me,have a mod post your last 100 or so political posts.

They read exactly as i have described them.

I was replying to agentorange and you are correct i do follow his posts and a couple others as they are very well stated and educational in politics not biased and one sided.

and out of nowhere you go off on some personal attack on me, you make up stuff, never have i said "gd trumpers" never, prove your claim.

If you dont like my posts place me on ignore but its a bit ironic to call me a troll while you are doing just that.

 

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ian hacktorp
3 hours ago, Brandy333 said:

There is plenty of time for parades.

I hope you're right.

A parade of election fraudsters in chains would be delightful to see!

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ian hacktorp
3 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Once he had been dragged out of the Whitehouse

I'm wondering who you believe is going to do the dragging.

Nancy Pelosi said she'd do it, but I think she'll need at least several of her CCP-issued bodyguards to actually get it done.

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11 minutes ago, ian hacktorp said:

I'm wondering who you believe is going to do the dragging.

Nancy Pelosi said she'd do it, but I think she'll need at least several of her CCP-issued bodyguards to actually get it done.

Did nannan really say that? If she did thats too funny.

For a while ive wondered would trump walk like a man out of the WH or have to be carried out baby tantrum style like a toddler who spend his last token at cheesy chuckies,

Im still at 50/50 but you raise a great question who would drag him out, because once biden is sworn in trump becomes just a person an interloper, and while trumpers will disagree im sure there would be no shortage of military fellows who he has disparaged and iinsulted that could toss him over their shoulder.

Now with the daily new shenanigans trump keeps pulling i wonder if the moment biden is sworn in and trump loses his potus shield perhaps he will just get led out in handcuffs,

It would give a twist to...

18 minutes ago, ian hacktorp said:

 

A parade of election fraudsters in chains would be delightful to see!

Its still anyones game

 

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ian hacktorp
1 minute ago, the13bats said:

Did nannan really say that? If she did thats too funny.

She said she was going to drag him out by his orange hair...so, yeah, pretty funny.

But I think she was just blowing smoke.

Unless the order came directly from Beijing...then she'd have to do it.

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Golden Duck
34 minutes ago, ian hacktorp said:

I'm wondering who you believe is going to do the dragging.

Nancy Pelosi said she'd do it, but I think she'll need at least several of her CCP-issued bodyguards to actually get it done.

There's many choices for animation software.  You should be able to make your own cartoons with a bit of effort.  Be sure to share your creations.

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