rashore Posted January 7, 2021 #301 Share Posted January 7, 2021 All righty folks... if you can't have civil conversations with each other then putting each other on ignore or walking away from the conversation are your best options. Don't continue on picking at and bickering with each other. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted January 7, 2021 #302 Share Posted January 7, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Guyver said: OK.....but what you're saying isn't factually accurate. When I first responded to your points, you made a false claim. You said, "The main issue with tracks for the alleged creature is no one has ever found a trail of tracks to follow. Generally, usually, normally there's a single print (or two) and that's it. I have never witnessed tracks of only a single print of two. Even for rabbit and squirrel tracks you can follow them for quite bit. Then we have this massive animal that leaves one solitary print? That in and of itself is highly dubious." This shows that you haven't even studied this topic at all as there have been many sasquatch trackways that have been observed, photographed, documented with photos and studied by professionals. The link I provided you shows some individual photographs taken from trackways, as described in the article and these trackways were described. Here is a video of wildlife biologist John Bindernagel documenting a trackway that gives you the evidence that you claim doesn't even exist. LINK Before I proceed I think you might need to tone it down a bit with the accusatory tone. Yes, I have actively and passively searched for the creature. I have spent the better part of 23 years exploring some of the most remote areas of N. America. I also have read extensively on the topic and related items to assist me in searching. All of that to say, I have come to my conclusion that the creature simply does not and cannot exist. I've read your first link and now watched the video in the second. Splendid, I am wrong. There is evidence of 5 tracks and not 1-2 as I thought. Now, there are several issues related to the "trackway" shown and I'm certain we will disagree on each of those items. I'm also sure both Meldrum and Bindernagel are sincere in their assertations. However, unfortunately they are both wrong. The video speaks to alleged activity on Vancouver Island. Right off the bat there becomes glaring almost obvious issues with this as it now limits the activity area to the island. Certainly a living, breeding population of a large species of biped would be discovered by now. That is unless it is suggested the animal migrates to and from the island by swimming? If so, then the migratory action of a family of Bigfoot swimming to and from the island would certainly have been well documented by now. The most likely crossing areas (Johnstone Strait & Strait of Georgia) are heavily trafficked and such large animals swimming would have been sighted.Now I'm sure someone will like to say, "Do you even realize how large Vancouver Island is?" The answer is I do, I've visited and camped there several times. What people who've never been there don't understand is how much development there is and how "busy" the island is. Once again, your reading but only responding to the singular items you think you need to address. if you personally believe the creature exists, fine. I know there's no amount facts or reality that will change some folks mind. I hope you or someone can prove me wrong, I really do. Edited January 7, 2021 by Trelane 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlookerofmayhem Posted January 7, 2021 #303 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I'd like to point out the impossibility of bigfoot existing everywhere it's claimed to be seen. While there are remote areas in the continental US, this is a map of bigfoot sightings : And here is a map of where the Vaquita is found : And yet look at how much we have been able to learn about them. If you're not familiar with it, the Vaquita is considered one of, if not the rarest, animals in the world. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaquita In my opinion, there is no possible way bigfoot could be dispersed around the country and not be found. The fact that one hasn't been tracked and located is a glaring problem for the argument of its existence. Do you know the lengths wildlife photographers go to get their pictures and footage? They camp out in the woods for months and months, sometimes in extremely inhospitable circumstances. I find it highly unlikely that a breeding population of a seven+ foot tall, 600+ lb., dispersed nationwide, ape-like creature could possibly evade detection. The main question then becomes : What are people really seeing that they are reporting on? The best guess I can come up with is simple : Bears. Of course, this doesn't account for all sightings, but the bigfoot vs. bear maps are pretty telling. It's a known animal, roughly the same height and weight, located in mostly the same areas. As far as those who claim sightings and say they "know it was definitely not a bear" all I can say is, where are the bodies? It's kind of like when a fugitive goes on the lam. If you know an approximate area of where to start then you can close in on the target. When bigfoot is sighted, it has to be within a couple of dozen square miles. It has to live, sleep, eat, poop, mate etc. somewhere! 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted January 7, 2021 #304 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Trelane said: Before I proceed I think you might need to tone it down a bit with the accusatory tone. Yes, I have actively and passively searched for the creature. I have spent the better part of 23 years exploring some of the most remote areas of N. America. I also have read extensively on the topic and related items to assist me in searching. All of that to say, I have come to my conclusion that the creature simply does not and cannot exist. My tone is turned down. I just pointed out the facts. You thought sasquatch tracks only existed in one's or two's (the way a hoaxer would do) and you didn't know that they also exist in trackways. You are entitled to your own opinions and conclusions. Quote I've read your first link and now watched the video in the second. Splendid, I am wrong. There is evidence of 5 tracks and not 1-2 as I thought. Now, there are several issues related to the "trackway" shown and I'm certain we will disagree on each of those items. I'm also sure both Meldrum and Bindernagel are sincere in their assertations. However, unfortunately they are both wrong. There is no problem with being mistaken. Now you know that sasquatch trackways exist and they are not just found as single prints. How are Meldrum and Bindernagel wrong? What is it that they have wrong in your opinion? Quote The video speaks to alleged activity on Vancouver Island. Right off the bat there becomes glaring almost obvious issues with this as it now limits the activity area to the island. Certainly a living, breeding population of a large species of biped would be discovered by now. That is unless it is suggested the animal migrates to and from the island by swimming? If so, then the migratory action of a family of Bigfoot swimming to and from the island would certainly have been well documented by now. The most likely crossing areas (Johnstone Strait & Strait of Georgia) are heavily trafficked and such large animals swimming would have been sighted.Now I'm sure someone will like to say, "Do you even realize how large Vancouver Island is?" The answer is I do, I've visited and camped there several times. What people who've never been there don't understand is how much development there is and how "busy" the island is. Yes, sasquatches are reported as being able to swim and travel by/around waterways. As far as being observed goes....like you, I have spent alot of time in the outdoors as a hunter/hiker/biker/fisher/camper and I have never observed a mountain lion in the outdoors, though I have found their tracks. Have you ever observed a mountain lion while you were camping or hiking? Quote Once again, your reading but only responding to the singular items you think you need to address. if you personally believe the creature exists, fine. I know there's no amount facts or reality that will change some folks mind. I hope you or someone can prove me wrong, I really do. It seems like you are criticizing me for choosing what to post about or respond to? Sorry, I don't get that. Why would I not be entitled to comment as I see fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 8, 2021 #305 Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 8:47 AM, DieChecker said: There's talk of humans being in the America's before Clovis, but the physical evidence of human remains is very scant, yet there would have been ten to a hundred times as many of them as there is supposed to be of Bigfoot. There is actual evidence to suggest that. Scant or not it exists. More precise dating techniques on archeological finds and genetic variation. It's not like someone is suggesting pre Clovis people existed via anecdotes. That sort of evidence would not result in further investigation. On 1/7/2021 at 8:47 AM, DieChecker said: So lack of fossil remains, and old physical remains, woukd not be surprising. I strongly disagree. No evidence means we are dealing with myth here. On 1/7/2021 at 8:47 AM, DieChecker said: Assuming we do actually know the environment in question. We do, there are many studies, some more intense than others. The point is nothing at all in any ecosystem anywhere suggests any sort of hole.. On 1/7/2021 at 8:47 AM, DieChecker said: What is the margin of error within the known food data of specific environments in North America. Id suggest 2% is probably normal. So, if we have 2k bigfoot, and 50k brown bears, not to mention the 1+ million black bears, then the bigfoot consumption is nearly within that margin of error. Black bears live with other bears. That's apparent. What's not apparent is an unknown species. A relict species would have left a record of impact as well as a current one. Neither exist. On 1/7/2021 at 8:47 AM, DieChecker said: Thus you couldn't prove a hole in the environment. It would be like proving if Australia has 10,000 more Kangaroos on one state then another, over a population of 50 million kangaroos. Due to our unique animals a thing like a Yowie would stand out like proverbial's as we don't have other predators of that magnitude. It's a global phenomena. That's the clincher. No ecosystem in any country behind any bigfoot myth shows a mysterious eco hole. Cultural stories travel easily across land, much easier than a global species of ape that is pretty much invisible, doesn't impact any ecosystem anywhere or that which we have any evidence for at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 8, 2021 #306 Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 8:57 AM, DieChecker said: And yet its true. For the main part people on this planet do, honest, believe in the supernatural. That's a sad fact, not a supporting one. I used the think anyone was capable of anything until that epiphany. On 1/7/2021 at 8:57 AM, DieChecker said: The fact you don't believe it doesn't mean the supernatural is not true. I only means you've decided that everything can be explained, and you've not run into anything yet that counters that belief Facts illustrate the supernatural as a man made lazy way to make stuff up to explain rather than learn. Nothing supports it as a viable hypothesis. No, it doesn't mean I haven't encountered the supernatural. There's zero reason to think it actually exists. It's quite obvious that the supernatural is man made, like unicorn's and mermaids. On 1/7/2021 at 8:57 AM, DieChecker said: Sure, and how many active Full Time people do they have? I've read a number of their reports that are local to me, and it appears like their more active members get out one or two times a year, for an afternoon, or overnight. Not exactly a bunch of David Livingstone level explorers. They don't have to be Livingston or Attenborough level observers. It's a global network of amateurs colluding to one source. That thousands of people armed with cameras, video traps and a passion to find the creature. Astronomy amateurs have proven themselves in this respect that don't know why that would not apply to enthusiasts in this field. Not to mention non related casual campers, loggers, studies, and the like also recording the general vicinity finding new species, but no bigfoot, or even evidence of it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 8, 2021 #307 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Guyver said: So, what you're saying is someone in the scientific community is critical of Dr. Meldrum's work? Well, that is no revelation. No, I'm saying that the vast majority of his professional colleagues say he is a sham, does not do science and is a waste of space. But you know better than a group of professionals I take it? Because some loser fringe nutter has you attention? No, it's not a revelation, it's the bleeding obvious. Quote If someone in the scientific community wishes to actually study the sasquatch phenomenon, they are routinely met with criticism BS. People who routinely promote pseudo science and embarrass their institution promoting myths as real science are called out for the oxygen thieves they really are. Meldrum would not be in a university if not fur the generous contribution of a bigfoot believer. He is not there on merit. You don't understand science, you laughably tried to say you understand it better than I do, but all you managed to do with that statement is make yourself a laughing stock. You're an arrogant ignorant individual with very little if any redeeming features. Quote - the type that this thread displays - whereby the person gets ridiculed as if they were searching for goblins, fairies or the loch ness monster, so while your point may be accurate.....I don't know what it has to do with anything. They are all man made myths. Fairies, mermaids, bigfoot, god, leprechauns, dragons, Santa and the Phoenix. Quote There is no question that many fakes and hoaxes are associated with this topic. It's gotten so bad now it's like a joke. I admit this fact readily. But, there is one fact that remains - real animals leave real animal tracks. So, if a person is interested in actually discussing the "science" of this phenomenon, then they need to be ready to do a scientific analysis on tracks that show evidence of a real creature and not a hoax. So, how would that be done? Well, you posted pictures of wooden feet. It seems you are insinuating that all sasquatch tracks are fake, and made by wooden feet? What would a wooden foot do for you? Would it provide evidence of a flexible mid-foot? Would it show variation in toe spread, position, and depth? The answer is no. A wooden foot will not interact with the environment the way an actual foot from a real animal would. So, while you could be fooled by fake tracks made with wooden feet, an actual wildlife biologist would be able to tell the difference between a hoaxed print made with a wooden foot, and a trackway left by a real animal that interacted with terrain over distance. Mud and melting snow exaggerates size and impression. Some have eagerly interpreted such as flexibility. It's but actually there. It's wishful thinking. There are actually physical examples of people faking known claims. You don't seem to want to address that very fact. The most popular stories have been debunked. Snow and mud offer the exaggeration you consider detail. You are not illustrating an open mind. Your just showing what a sucker you are to believe such inane information with such poor evidence. Critical thinking really isn't your thing is it. Bossberg, are you fn kidding me? You don't know who Joe Metlow is?????? Edited January 8, 2021 by psyche101 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted January 8, 2021 #308 Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Guyver said: My tone is turned down. I just pointed out the facts. You thought sasquatch tracks only existed in one's or two's (the way a hoaxer would do) and you didn't know that they also exist in trackways. You are entitled to your own opinions and conclusions. There is no problem with being mistaken. Now you know that sasquatch trackways exist and they are not just found as single prints. How are Meldrum and Bindernagel wrong? What is it that they have wrong in your opinion? Yes, sasquatches are reported as being able to swim and travel by/around waterways. As far as being observed goes....like you, I have spent alot of time in the outdoors as a hunter/hiker/biker/fisher/camper and I have never observed a mountain lion in the outdoors, though I have found their tracks. Have you ever observed a mountain lion while you were camping or hiking? It seems like you are criticizing me for choosing what to post about or respond to? Sorry, I don't get that. Why would I not be entitled to comment as I see fit? 1. The "trackway" is a bit dubious in of itself. I have no interest in arguing nuances of tracks as you clearly see them as being real and that's fine. There are five tracks and nothing else before or after the five highlighted. That makes absolutely no sense in the area they were found. 2. An alleged trackway was presented. Five tracks really doesn't constitute a trackway in my opinion. They are wrong in they both apparently appear to believe in a fictional creature. The questions I have asked at the beginning of the thread have never been addressed by any so-called experts. 3. Yes, I have observed mountain lion several times and on two occasions up close and dangerously personal. I've also been fortunate to see Bobcats and Canadian Lynx as well. I'm not criticizing at all just highlighting your tendency. Obviously you believe the creature exists while I categorically do not. You can comment all you like. I just have no interest in debating any further with you on this topic. Peace and love. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted January 8, 2021 #309 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Trelane said: Once again, your reading but only responding to the singular items you think you need to address. if you personally believe the creature exists, fine. I know there's no amount facts or reality that will change some folks mind. I hope you or someone can prove me wrong, I really do. Trelane, please allow me to respond again here. I won’t dodge any questions anyone asks me, except for maybe 13bats, but I am not always just automatically insert my opinion all the time. As I said, it’s been a minute, but I have studied this topic extensively and do know what I’m talking about. Edit. So, what I mean is that if you want my opinion on something, just ask. Edited January 8, 2021 by Guyver Add 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted January 8, 2021 #310 Share Posted January 8, 2021 38 minutes ago, Trelane said: 1. The "trackway" is a bit dubious in of itself. I have no interest in arguing nuances of tracks as you clearly see them as being real and that's fine. There are five tracks and nothing else before or after the five highlighted. That makes absolutely no sense in the area they were found. 2. An alleged trackway was presented. Five tracks really doesn't constitute a trackway in my opinion. They are wrong in they both apparently appear to believe in a fictional creature. The questions I have asked at the beginning of the thread have never been addressed by any so-called experts. 3. Yes, I have observed mountain lion several times and on two occasions up close and dangerously personal. I've also been fortunate to see Bobcats and Canadian Lynx as well. I'm not criticizing at all just highlighting your tendency. Obviously you believe the creature exists while I categorically do not. You can comment all you like. I just have no interest in debating any further with you on this topic. Peace and love. On point number one, I don’t really want to argue it either, but I have to say that you assumed I considered them authentic. That’s not true. I was just offering one simple example from hundreds or thousands to prove the point that sasquatch prints occur in pathways like every other animal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted January 8, 2021 #311 Share Posted January 8, 2021 40 minutes ago, Trelane said: 1. The "trackway" is a bit dubious in of itself. I have no interest in arguing nuances of tracks as you clearly see them as being real and that's fine. There are five tracks and nothing else before or after the five highlighted. That makes absolutely no sense in the area they were found. I like your point here, and I will absolutely agree with you one one point. If a person were to fake sasquatch tracks, the spot shown in the video is the best possible place. Since the soil was already moist, it would be easier to insert enough pressure on them to make them appear authentic with hand tools. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted January 8, 2021 #312 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Well, I take the above back. The substrate was perfect for faking tracks, not the location. The location was not the place to fake sasquatch tracks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted January 8, 2021 #313 Share Posted January 8, 2021 7 hours ago, Guyver said: How is that funny 13bats? You claim to have studied this phenomenon but you don't even know jack-diddley about the Bossberg tracks? Whatever dude. "He is wearing his hat backwards he is calling me dude" My laugh was because 2 or 3 times i told you if you kept acting like this and tossing insults i would ignore you then your comeback is to give your approval that i ignore you you will ignore me which you just proved you cant do, Since you used such a ridiculous case i will reply about the bossburg crippled hoax tracks in Ivan Marx backyard, Marx, known bigfoot hoaxer and charlatan, anything hes connected to has no integrity or credibility, not a shock he duped you. Here we go folks, Marx bigfoots Seems this one is called "conehead" no, this was not a cheap mask sold at finer K marts. This is "crippledfoot", i believe his nick name was "jack diddley", according to marx this creature made the tracks, do you have a foot or creature whose foot fits the track so we can be sure? Man in really bad fur suit no way, its Another of marx bigfeet. A laughable montage of marx video. Peter Byrne sums up marx rather well, http://www.bigfootencounters.com/hoaxes/marx_footage.htm John green called him a yarn spinner, https://skepticalinquirer.org/newsletter/the-bigfoot-legend-lives/ And more about marx the con man, http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2017/11/more-about-ivan-marx-and-bigfoot.html?m=1 https://terrordaves.com/2016/11/08/3-very-fishy-bigfoot-videos-you-should-know-about/ Bonus link for fun, https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2019/07/the-cripplefoot-affair-a-tale-of-strange-footprints-and-shady-dealings/ I am not aware of anyone who didnt and doesnt view marx as a complete and total conman trying to grift off the gulible using the BF phenomenon. I own a copy of his dvd hunting for bigfoot, its classic. I expect you will bluster, hand wave and jump on the insults, that fine take it up with Byrne you already learned i know how to ignore your emotional outbursts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted January 8, 2021 #314 Share Posted January 8, 2021 13bats. Regarding your post above, I already said I admit the topic is full of fakes. You didn’t read that part I said? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted January 8, 2021 #315 Share Posted January 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, the13bats said: "He is wearing his hat backwards he is calling me dude" My laugh was because 2 or 3 times i told you if you kept acting like this and tossing insults i would ignore you then your comeback is to give your approval that i ignore you you will ignore me which you just proved you cant do, Since you used such a ridiculous case i will reply about the bossburg crippled hoax tracks in Ivan Marx backyard, Marx, known bigfoot hoaxer and charlatan, anything hes connected to has no integrity or credibility, not a shock he duped you. Here we go folks, Marx bigfoots Seems this one is called "conehead" no, this was not a cheap mask sold at finer K marts. This is "crippledfoot", i believe his nick name was "jack diddley", according to marx this creature made the tracks, do you have a foot or creature whose foot fits the track so we can be sure? Man in really bad fur suit no way, its Another of marx bigfeet. A laughable montage of marx video. Peter Byrne sums up marx rather well, http://www.bigfootencounters.com/hoaxes/marx_footage.htm John green called him a yarn spinner, https://skepticalinquirer.org/newsletter/the-bigfoot-legend-lives/ And more about marx the con man, http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2017/11/more-about-ivan-marx-and-bigfoot.html?m=1 https://terrordaves.com/2016/11/08/3-very-fishy-bigfoot-videos-you-should-know-about/ Bonus link for fun, https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2019/07/the-cripplefoot-affair-a-tale-of-strange-footprints-and-shady-dealings/ I am not aware of anyone who didnt and doesnt view marx as a complete and total conman trying to grift off the gulible using the BF phenomenon. I own a copy of his dvd hunting for bigfoot, its classic. I expect you will bluster, hand wave and jump on the insults, that fine take it up with Byrne you already learned i know how to ignore your emotional outbursts. OMG. Fricken Gish gallop. I just asked your opinion and analysis of the Bossberg tracks. I made no claims and did not offer my opinion or analysis. Why did you assume I offered them as proof of authentic tracks? Nevermind. Here’s what I really want to know, why you couldn’t discuss the Bossberg tracks? You literally went off the rails instead of just answering a simple question. You said you knew the topic, I gave you the low hanging fruit and you totally flipped. But I guess everyone with half a brain can deduce that you consider the Bossberg tracks a clever hoax. That was a really good hoax, wasn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted January 8, 2021 #316 Share Posted January 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Guyver said: OMG. Fricken Gish gallop. I just asked your opinion and analysis of the Bossberg tracks. I made no claims and did not offer my opinion or analysis. Why did you assume I offered them as proof of authentic tracks? Nevermind. Here’s what I really want to know, why you couldn’t discuss the Bossberg tracks? You literally went off the rails instead of just answering a simple question. You said you knew the topic, I gave you the low hanging fruit and you totally flipped. But I guess everyone with half a brain can deduce that you consider the Bossberg tracks a clever hoax. That was a really good hoax, wasn’t it? I just did post discussion about the bossburg tracks i have no clue what your raving unglued diatribe is all about. Why are you in meltdown so badly? It doesnt make since why you are so emotionally charged, you asked my opinion on bossburg and i gave it not just for you but for any interested readers of this thread, Put your personal issues against me aside, if you can, go read my reply and click the links which you didnt have time to do before this knee jerk response from you, stop the childish jabs and for God sakes relax. No, marx bigfoot hoaxes are not very good. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted January 8, 2021 #317 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Trelane said: 2. An alleged trackway was presented. Five tracks really doesn't constitute a trackway in my opinion. They are wrong in they both apparently appear to believe in a fictional creature. The questions I have asked at the beginning of the thread have never been addressed by any so-called experts. You did a good job stating your opinion and making an argument here. I will just say that the questions you asked at the beginning of the thread have been answered by people who know what they’re talking about, but maybe you are not aware of it. I might disagree that five tracks are not enough for a trackway in this location considerIng the surrounding substrate. Did you see the rocks and gravel on that fire road? You’re not getting any tracks on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted January 8, 2021 #318 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Trelane said: 3. Yes, I have observed mountain lion several times and on two occasions up close and dangerously personal. I've also been fortunate to see Bobcats and Canadian Lynx as well. I’m glad to hear you survived the encounter. I did have a very large bobcat in my crosshairs one time. So glad I let him live. Canadian Lynx, a very beautiful animal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted January 8, 2021 #319 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Trelane said: I'm not criticizing at all just highlighting your tendency. Obviously you believe the creature exists while I categorically do not. You can comment all you like. I just have no interest in debating any further with you on this topic. Peace and love. I’m sorry to disagree with you, I don’t believe the creature exists. I’m not completely convinced by the current evidence. But, I don’t rule out the possibility based on my study of the tracks. Peace and love be returned to you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted January 8, 2021 #320 Share Posted January 8, 2021 10 hours ago, psyche101 said: There is actual evidence to suggest that. Scant or not it exists. More precise dating techniques on archeological finds and genetic variation. It's not like someone is suggesting pre Clovis people existed via anecdotes. That sort of evidence would not result in further investigation. And yet 20 years ago, the people suggesting such were scoffed at and dismissed. Quote I strongly disagree. No evidence means we are dealing with myth here. I'd agree. But the issue isn't evidence, but if lack of evidence proves anything to a great degree. Quote We do, there are many studies, some more intense than others. The point is nothing at all in any ecosystem anywhere suggests any sort of hole.. Yet those studies do have holes. Otherwise the margin of error would be zero. Quote Black bears live with other bears. That's apparent. What's not apparent is an unknown species. A relict species would have left a record of impact as well as a current one. Neither exist. Depends on how many we're taling about. 2000 would likely have given us a body 75 years ago. 200? Who knows. True you then run into the problem of why sightings over such a large range, and how they'd mate. But each issue by itself is explainable. Because this is an imaginary critter. Lack of body remains is the only real proof. Quote Due to our unique animals a thing like a Yowie would stand out like proverbial's as we don't have other predators of that magnitude. It's a global phenomena. That's the clincher. No ecosystem in any country behind any bigfoot myth shows a mysterious eco hole. Cultural stories travel easily across land, much easier than a global species of ape that is pretty much invisible, doesn't impact any ecosystem anywhere or that which we have any evidence for at all. Reports of Wildman worldwide does not exempt such from being true in localities. If there is a locality that has, say, 200 reports, that's a lot more likely to be worth investigating then a region that only has 1. Repeating the same "doesn't impact", when that isn't provable isn't convincing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted January 8, 2021 #321 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, psyche101 said: That's a sad fact, not a supporting one. I used the think anyone was capable of anything until that epiphany. Facts illustrate the supernatural as a man made lazy way to make stuff up to explain rather than learn. Nothing supports it as a viable hypothesis. No, it doesn't mean I haven't encountered the supernatural. There's zero reason to think it actually exists. It's quite obvious that the supernatural is man made, like unicorn's and mermaids. Yet 90% of humanity thinks there is proof. I get it that you only want scientific, lab collected, and approved, triple verified data, but thats YOU. Science is usually a little more flexible. It doesn't usually deal in absolutes. Math... Now math is more of an absolute. But the you get into differentials and such... I thought unicorns were actually real, because they were based on the Indian rhinoceros? Meremaids were based on mannitees and/or sea cows. So, couldn't there be something bigfoot is based on? Even if it is just some very poor humans living in the woods?? Quote They don't have to be Livingston or Attenborough level observers. It's a global network of amateurs colluding to one source. That thousands of people armed with cameras, video traps and a passion to find the creature. Astronomy amateurs have proven themselves in this respect that don't know why that would not apply to enthusiasts in this field. Not to mention non related casual campers, loggers, studies, and the like also recording the general vicinity finding new species, but no bigfoot, or even evidence of it. So.... Are those scientific reports? Is that real data? If these are all genuine acceptable observers....... It is thousands of people, but reading from the site, the vast majority of them are a "less the a day a year" type. Edited January 8, 2021 by DieChecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted January 8, 2021 #322 Share Posted January 8, 2021 12 hours ago, Guyver said: I’m glad to hear you survived the encounter. I did have a very large bobcat in my crosshairs one time. So glad I let him live. Canadian Lynx, a very beautiful animal. The first one was very tense but I had seen it before it actually saw me. I was perched up in a tree as it made it's wat through an adjacent clearing. I thought I was being still but that sucker still heard me and looked right at me. The second time I had happened upon one as I was making my way up a mountain and was looking for a place to take a break. Little did I know this one was likely watching me for a while and was moving into a position to attack. Luckily, I carry firearms and after giving a warning shot it p***ed off into the woods. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 9, 2021 #323 Share Posted January 9, 2021 On 1/8/2021 at 3:16 AM, Guyver said: I’m sorry to disagree with you, I don’t believe the creature exists. I’m not completely convinced by the current evidence. But, I don’t rule out the possibility based on my study of the tracks. Peace and love be returned to you. You either (going by the data put forward so far) believe or you don't! You're trying to have it both ways... You can't do that with regards to a logical discussion of this nature.. Yep, in all honesty from me= love & peace to you & all you care for but you need to make ya mind my friend... All due respect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted January 9, 2021 #324 Share Posted January 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Dejarma said: You either (going by the data put forward so far) believe or you don't! You're trying to have it both ways... You can't do that with regards to a logical discussion of this nature.. Yep, in all honesty from me= love & peace to you & all you care for but you need to make ya mind my friend... All due respect I love you too. I actually tend toward believing but there is a skeptical and scientific part of me so I wait for the body to be sure like everyone else, but yeah....I favor it as maybe real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted January 9, 2021 #325 Share Posted January 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, Guyver said: I favor it as maybe real. oh ok then- you have fun my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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