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18 minutes ago, Herr Falukorv said:

I wish Sweden would be next to leave EU...

Sweden as retained its own currency like neighbour Denmark. That makes leaving much easier than those who've chosen to use the euro. The nordic countries should come join the UK, Norway Iceland & Greenland outside the EU and form a trading bloc. And realise The North Sea empire. King cnut rides again. 

 

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1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

 Eu in the slow lane again. 

Di** comparsion again. Good luck.

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14 minutes ago, toast said:

Di** comparsion again. Good luck.

Shame how loud the silence is when it comes to highlighting the EU's faults. 

It's nice to see the British vaccine is the only one being offered at cost. Ie: no profit. Oxford/astrazeneca. £1.61 per vaccine compared to the others in Europe £21.00.

Oh and our vaccine offered to developing countries and poor countries at cost. Non-profit. That's how you build empires EU. 

This is the list of what the EU is paying:

 

Oxford/AstraZeneca: €1.78 (£1.61).

Johnson & Johnson: $8.50 (£6.30).

Sanofi/GSK: €7.56.

Pfizer/BioNTech: €12.

CureVac: €10.

Moderna: $18.

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1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

Oh and our vaccine offered to developing countries and poor countries at cost. Non-profit.

Good to see that the UK is paying the still open bills to the countries which made the British Empire wealthy.

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7 hours ago, toast said:

Good to see that the UK is paying the still open bills to the countries which made the British Empire wealthy.

strange, when the countries include French,Belgian Italian and the German ex colonies of Burundi, Cameroon, Namibia, Rwanda, Tanzania and Togo. But then again when the European powers dissolved their colonies they had a scorched earth policy. When the British left well, lets just say it was that bad those countries have went on to create the commonwealth of nations of which still exists to this day. 54 members who wanted to retain close ties to the United kingdom and one another. that's 2.4billion people across all 6 habitable continents. But once again. the UK leads the way, first approval of the vaccine, first to start mass vaccination. first and only to offer the vaccine at cost, first to offer the vaccine to the entire world at cost. no profit made from Covid at all. - What's the EU offering? once again in the slow lane.

 

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8 hours ago, toast said:

Good to see that the UK is paying the still open bills to the countries which made the British Empire wealthy.

Ah yes, our colonial history.

There are very few countries on the planet who can claim they never invaded another nation, never took slaves, never exploited the mineral wealth of the conquered. But because Britain was the last great one everyone gangs up on it as if they think they hold the moral high ground.

Why should Britain be singled out for something most other peoples have also done in the past? The strong dominating the weak was the norm back then.  And it wasn`t wholly negative either. You dont see us Brits complaining about the Romans do you? The Romans setup our infrastructure and cities, and taught us well. We are thankful to Julius Caesar as he was a great man.

Germany had colonies too although you lost most of yours for your first infraction (WW1). And thats before we even talk about the beast at the helm in WW2. Have you paid your bills off yet?

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13 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

and taught us well.

lol - not that well, most of the infrastructure they put in place in Britain went to ruins after they left. 

 

13 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Julius Caesar as he was a great man

May have been particularly, in his own writings, but he had very little direct impact on Britain given that it wasn't conquered by the romans until 100 years after his brief visits. 

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7 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

lol - not that well must of the infrastructure they put in place in GB went to ruins after they left. 

 

May have been particularly in his own writings but he had very little direct impact on Britain given that it wasn't conquered by the romans 100 years after his brief visits. 

ah the Romans, "Ferox Provincia" as they referred to us. The Romans had the largest concentration of regiments in Britain, 70 auxiliary regiments This was the greatest concentration in any single province of the Roman Empire. be it, 45AD or today 2021 Britain is an island, and like all island nations, culturally, we don’t see ‘neighbours’, we see ‘foreigners’ Even the Romans failed to get the British to see themselves as part of Europe. what chance did the EU.

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42 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

But once again. the UK leads the way, first approval of the vaccine, first to start mass vaccination.

Thats correct.

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first and only to offer the vaccine at cost, first to offer the vaccine to the entire world at cost. no profit made from Covid at all.

Thats not the full picture and partially wrong so you can put the Union Jack back into the drawer. The AstraZeneca on cost agreement isnt a generosity by the UK and/or Boris but an agreement made between AstraZeneca and the CEPI and COVAX organisations which are both, beside others, financially supported by the EU commision. Other vaccine companies have joined the agreement as well and a lot of countries joined these communities with the aim to supply poor countries with the vaccine. In a nutshell, its not important who will produce the vaccine on low cost but how it will be managed, and financed, by the responsible organisations to make sure the vaccine is available to everyone and everywhere even to the poor ones.

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- What's the EU offering? once again in the slow lane.

Blah.

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10 minutes ago, toast said:

Thats correct.

Thats not the full picture and partially wrong so you can put the Union Jack back into the drawer. The AstraZeneca on cost agreement isnt a generosity by the UK and/or Boris but an agreement made between AstraZeneca and the CEPI and COVAX organisations which are both, beside others, financially supported by the EU commision. Other vaccine companies have joined the agreement as well and a lot of countries joined these communities with the aim to supply poor countries with the vaccine. In a nutshell, its not important who will produce the vaccine on low cost but how it will be managed, and financed, by the responsible organisations to make sure the vaccine is available to everyone and everywhere even to the poor ones.

Blah.

I think you can get the Union Flag out again Steve:

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Wendy Morton, Minister for Global Health at the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office of the UK, which also hosted the Global Vaccine Summit in June, said: “The UK has played the leading role in championing global access to coronavirus vaccines, including by being the largest donor to the COVAX Advance Market Commitment. No one is safe until we are all safe. Along with our international partners, the UK is working hard to ensure vaccines get to everyone who needs them.”

Link to COVAX site

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13 hours ago, stevewinn said:

 

 

 

Keep kissing Russian ass. But don't wonder later why no one sane believes you when you claim you didn't know Brexit was supported by Putin and Russian propaganda machine aimed at you, bigots who try substituting their personal insecurities with myths of British supremacy.

 

Anyway, good riddance. 

I just hope it won't take too long before the newly formed independent countries are back to the EU, because the libertarian paradise you impose on your population will take too high toll on sane and decent people too.   

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11 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Keep kissing Russian ass. But don't wonder later why no one sane believes you when you claim you didn't know Brexit was supported by Putin and Russian propaganda machine aimed at you, bigots who try substituting their personal insecurities with myths of British supremacy.

Anyway, good riddance. 

I just hope it won't take too long before the newly formed independent countries are back to the EU, because the libertarian paradise you impose on your population will take too high toll on sane and decent people too.   

Our security services did find attempts by Russia to meddle in the Brexit vote, but to help the side that wanted to remain.

They also tried to meddle in our General Election. They somehow got hold of the details of talks with Trump where he was interested in a privatised NHS and leaked them to Corbyn (the red blooded leader of our socialist party who wanted to remain). Mind you, it didn`t help him even come close to winning as Brits didn`t want Communism or to remain in the EU. Russia does not want a resurgent Britain, and neither does the EU.

Why must we denigrate our great nation? We are a great and proud people. We are powerful and will grow in our strength which is what you dont like for some reason. We are about to start finding our way in the world again and fingers crossed it will be a British century.

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38 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Our security services did find attempts by Russia to meddle in the Brexit vote, but to help the side that wanted to remain.

They also tried to meddle in our General Election. They somehow got hold of the details of talks with Trump where he was interested in a privatised NHS and leaked them to Corbyn (the red blooded leader of our socialist party who wanted to remain). Mind you, it didn`t help him even come close to winning as Brits didn`t want Communism or to remain in the EU. Russia does not want a resurgent Britain, and neither does the EU.

Why must we denigrate our great nation? We are a great and proud people. We are powerful and will grow in our strength which is what you dont like for some reason. We are about to start finding our way in the world again and fingers crossed it will be a British century.

That character they've been helping is Brexiter too. Out of his marxist delusions, but Brexiter nevertheless. It's also a bit more complex but I'm already wasting far too much time on you. 

Russia is the reason why your mouldy zombie of a former empire is still twitching in some insecure heads. Their targeted propaganda manipulated you into thinking you can manipulate everyone else. And it wants Britain to do its part in destabilizing the EU, which failed, because your economical and political suicide only homogenized the EU. It also wants Britain to host its dirty money and keep being laundromat for oligarchs. Hence you great need for urgent libertardization. It's not a typo.  

Basically the same with your great ally Trump, only he's going from more broadly racist platform, while yours is more narrowly nationalist. And he's more owned by Putin, while you more drool at the prospect of picking up crumbs from oligarchs' tables. Ew. 

 

So is every other nation great. Those that fall into the trap of exceptionalist megalomania pay the highest price. See "Dunning-Krüger effect" for further clarification of your delusions about British and your own supremacy.  

 

In short, you're screwed short-term, even more screwed long-term, serve you bigots right. (Not valid for the sane part of your population.)

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2 hours ago, stevewinn said:

ah the Romans, "Ferox Provincia" as they referred to us. The Romans had the largest concentration of regiments in Britain, 70 auxiliary regiments This was the greatest concentration in any single province of the Roman Empire. be it, 45AD or today 2021 Britain is an island, and like all island nations, culturally, we don’t see ‘neighbours’, we see ‘foreigners’ Even the Romans failed to get the British to see themselves as part of Europe. what chance did the EU.

In the case of England and southern Wales they had no problem - the rest had to be kept down by force - and Scotland was never conquered. The contemporary historian Tacitus, writing of the conquests made by his father-in-law Agricola in Britain summarised the process as follows:

Namque ut homines dispersi ac rudes eoque in bella faciles quieti et otio per voluptates adsuescerent, hortari privatim, adiuvare publice, ut templa fora domos extruerent, laudando promptos, castigando segnis... paulatimque discessum ad delenimenta vitiorum, porticus et balinea et conviviorum elegantiam. Idque apud imperitos humanitas vocabatur, cum pars servitutis esset.

[Translation: '(Agricola) had to deal with people living in isolation and ignorance and his object was to accustom them to a life of peace and quiet by the provision of amenities. He therefore privately encouraged and officially assisted in the building of temples, public forums and good houses. … And so the population was gradually led into the demoralizing temptations of arcades, baths and banquets. They unsuspectingly speak of these novelties as ‘civilisation’ when in fact they were only a feature of their enslavement.’ (Tacitus, Agricola, Chapters 21)]

Raptores orbis, postquam cuncta vastantibus defuere terrae, mare scrutantur: … Auferre trucidare rapere falsis nominibus imperium, atque ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

[Translation: ‘(The Romans) were pillagers of the world, exhausting the land by their indiscriminate plunder, and ransacking the sea. …To robbery, butchery, and rapine they give the name ‘government’; where they make a desolation, they call it peace’. (Tacitus, Agricola, Chapter 30)]

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@Helen of Annoy poor Helen, you wanted the EU to punish us for leaving. instead they've offered the best trading terms to any trading partner. not out of kindness but out of necessity. proving they did indeed need us more than we needed them.

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1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

@Helen of Annoy poor Helen, you wanted the EU to punish us for leaving. instead they've offered the best trading terms to any trading partner. not out of kindness but out of necessity. proving they did indeed need us more than we needed them.

No, stevey, Russian fanboy, I wanted you to come to your senses and stop acting like you're truly so irrational you really think god made you better than anyone else. I still want the same for you as I do for me. 

So I agree with the mature and humanist EU approach, that ensured the most decent possible Agreement. I also keep repeating that I'm aware your disorder is not something everyone in your country suffers from, so I'm personally happy that the sane people won't be thrown right off the cliff as you raving Brexiters were screaming is the best option possible. 

Now you're happy with the deal, huh? Where's that steve who was spamming propaganda claiming hard Brexit is the best thing since the black plague? Where's that steve screeching about the EU tumbling down once you leave? Why would you want an agreement with a tumbling structure? 

Logic, little Englander, do you ever use it? 

Johnson signed whatever the EU prepared and he would sign anything. So you should thank heavens no one on the EU side was in humorous mood while putting the Agreement together.

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Brexit trade deal: Fishing industry needs Scotland to grasp opportunities not grievances

 

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As night follows day, we have headlines about the “betrayal” of “Scottish fishermen”, generated by the industry’s barons and politicians who seek favour in their court.

Betrayal, con-trick, sold down the river… we’ve been hearing it for decades; inside and outside the EU, whoever was in government.

The audience for these rituals is never meant to notice (and generally doesn’t because it is a complex subject) that despite all of the above, our Scottish fishing barons become even richer and more powerful.

Five families effectively control nearly half of Scotland’s quotas. Before the law took an interest, it was reckoned more “black fish” were landed in Scotland than under EU quotas.

While the barons prospered mightily, it has been a different story in many of Scotland’s traditional fishing communities which were marginalised under the Common Fisheries Policy and survive largely on shellfish.

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21 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

No, stevey, Russian fanboy, I wanted you to come to your senses and stop acting like you're truly so irrational you really think god made you better than anyone else. I still want the same for you as I do for me. 

So I agree with the mature and humanist EU approach, that ensured the most decent possible Agreement. I also keep repeating that I'm aware your disorder is not something everyone in your country suffers from, so I'm personally happy that the sane people won't be thrown right off the cliff as you raving Brexiters were screaming is the best option possible. 

Now you're happy with the deal, huh? Where's that steve who was spamming propaganda claiming hard Brexit is the best thing since the black plague? Where's that steve screeching about the EU tumbling down once you leave? Why would you want an agreement with a tumbling structure? 

Logic, little Englander, do you ever use it? 

Johnson signed whatever the EU prepared and he would sign anything. So you should thank heavens no one on the EU side was in humorous mood while putting the Agreement together.

I was happy walking away on WTO terms - as what was on offer was BRINO. Its to Boris and Lord Frost's credit that they made the EU realise we were serious about No deal. at that point BRINO went out the window as the EU backed down. capitulated and well, here we are, out the EU in the same way we'd have been on WTO terms, out of all the institutions but with the only difference with a trade deal , an added bonus of a zero tariff & zero quota trade deal. Brexit in full. whichever way you look at it the UK has its cake and eating it. 

i love the little Englander tag, yes, 60 trade deals struck around the world, 90 if you include the EU, in the process of joining CPTPP, Trans-Pacific Partnership, still retain or regained our seat at world organisations, such as the WTO, and the UK is in the seat and hosting the G7 and African summit this year along with world climate summit. last time i checked yes, still a member of the commonwealth of countries, 52 states, 2.4billion of the worlds population across all six habitable continents of the world. 

tell me has Croatia ever been so influential in the world? have you ever been part of a global organisation such as the commonwealth? 

The UK belongs to

  • Interpol (we have been since 1928)
  • Five Eyes (1946)
  • WTO (1995)
  • G7 (1975)
  • G20 (1999)
  • OECD (1961)
  • FSB (2009)
  • NATO (1949)
  • ISO (1970)
  • ILO (1919)
  • Codex Alimentarius Commission (1961)
  • UNSC (1945)
  • WHO (1948)
  • Council of Europe (1949)
  • Commonwealth (1949)

 

In 24 Months signed trade deals with . inlcuding one trading bloc.

  • Mauritius 
  • Namibia
  • eSwatini
  • Lesotho 
  • Seychelles
  • Egypt 
  • South Africa 
  • Kenya
  • Tunisia 
  • Botswana
  • Mozambique
  • Madagascar
  • Zimbabwe
  • Japan
  • South Korea 
  • Vietnam
  • Singapore
  • Papua New Guinea
  • Fiji
  • Solomon Islands 
  • Samoa
  • Switzerland 
  • Norway
  • Ukraine
  • Iceland 
  • Georgia
  • N Macedonia 
  • Moldova
  • Kosovo 
  • Liechtenstein 
  • Faroe Is
  • Australia    (Trade agreement reached. talks on full FTA on going)
  • New Zealand. (Trade agreement reached. talks on full FTA on going) 
  • Brazil
  • Canada
  • Ghana
  • Indonesia
  • Israel 
  • Kazakhstan
  • Malaysia
  • Mexico 
  • Philippines
  • Sri Lanka 
  • Thailand
  • UAE
  • USA (Trade agreement reached. Talks on full FTA on going)
  • Austria
  • Belgium
  • Bulgaria
  • Croatia
  • Republic of Cyprus
  • Czech Republic
  • Denmark
  • Estonia
  • Finland
  • France
  • Germany
  • Greece
  • Hungary
  • Ireland
  • Italy
  • Latvia
  • Lithuania
  • Luxembourg
  • Malta
  • Netherlands
  • Poland
  • Portugal
  • Romania
  • Slovakia
  • Slovenia
  • Spain
  • Sweden

and all the above done in our own right, see Helen this is why you'll never understand the UK we are a global country with global links around the world. and its been so for centuries, our membership of the EU has been an anomaly in our long history, - just because Croatia couldn't achieve any of the above in its own right you have the mentality of having to hitch your wagon to something which could be comparable. hence you hitch your wagon to the EU. that might be right for Croatia for you the EU is the gateway to the world for us the UK is and always as been the direct gateway to the world we don't have to go via the EU, we're a country who can do it and go it alone as demonstrated above.

so it looks a little foolish when you say little Englander doesn't it.

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

That character they've been helping is Brexiter too. Out of his marxist delusions, but Brexiter nevertheless. It's also a bit more complex but I'm already wasting far too much time on you. 

Russia is the reason why your mouldy zombie of a former empire is still twitching in some insecure heads. Their targeted propaganda manipulated you into thinking you can manipulate everyone else. And it wants Britain to do its part in destabilizing the EU, which failed, because your economical and political suicide only homogenized the EU. It also wants Britain to host its dirty money and keep being laundromat for oligarchs. Hence you great need for urgent libertardization. It's not a typo.  

Basically the same with your great ally Trump, only he's going from more broadly racist platform, while yours is more narrowly nationalist. And he's more owned by Putin, while you more drool at the prospect of picking up crumbs from oligarchs' tables. Ew. 

So is every other nation great. Those that fall into the trap of exceptionalist megalomania pay the highest price. See "Dunning-Krüger effect" for further clarification of your delusions about British and your own supremacy.  

In short, you're screwed short-term, even more screwed long-term, serve you bigots right. (Not valid for the sane part of your population.)

Russia is not manipulating us, we aren`t friends with them and haven`t been for 20 years. They keep assassinating or trying to assassinate people on our territory, and doing so in ways which put wider society at risk.

We have tried to explain it to you before. Brits originally voted yes to a free trade deal but the EU evolved into a political project with the aim of creating a new country. We never wanted that. We had the likes of John Major and Tony Blair ignoring the will of the people as they believed in a United States of Europe. Support for the EU was at an all time high during the referendum which might be because of the 2008 banking crises, but the vote regardless of the cause was still for Brexit.

We are not some easy to manipulate fools, we all knew what we each wanted and believed in, and we voted for it. A lot of Brits are exceptionalists, but thats because we know our history and what we can achieve. You cannot expect Brits (many of whom were still alive during our Empire) to think we cannot survive on our own and prosper as an independent nation. Its not about insecurity or a need to proves the manliness of our nation.

We also aren`t a backwards country. We have the 5th largest economy, military assets on par with the USA (although less of them as our armed forces are smaller), and a people who want us to be a superpower again. Once CANZUK is agreed amongst our realm we are back to where we left off. And with the resources that realm has access too (Canada and Australia have huge piles of national resources) we will be very wealthy for a long while to come.

The EU on the other hand has a problem with being competitive, has a coming problem where member states still aren`t listening to their peoples saying they dont want this, and to top it off keeps sowing the seeds of future conflict with Russia but trying to expand eastwards into the Russian sphere.

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1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

 

The UK belongs to

 

Oooh, a list... what, no multi-coloured propaganda leaflets? 

Anyway... yes, I see... isn't that horrible? How soon can you crash out, telling other members they're not nearly as good as you are and their stinky organization will fall apart without you? 

No need to say it anymore, now everyone knows what to expect from you: irrational blackmail attempts, childish spite, ridiculous egotripping and destruction.

 

1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

 

In 24 Months signed trade deals with . inlcuding one trading bloc.

 

 

 

Oooooh, another list...

:lol: 

steve, throwing away already well established relations, making sure you created animosity and mistrust, then signing something is not a good thing.

 

I don't think there's any use of giving you a crash course in my country's history. Yeah, it's an easily ignorable little country. It's a blessing and a curse at the same time. Gives my nation the advantage of relative anonymity, while making the reliability of our alliances extra important. I'm personally quite happy with the current international position of my country, especially since Brexit. If only you exposed your bizarre ambitions sooner. Lives would be saved, literally. Well, too late. So I'm grateful at least you're gone now, complete with your Russians and your fish.    

 

By the way, fish, I've seen some older article about the ****ing fish and nearly died laughing.... there was a map showing dependence on the British fish that covers nearly whole EU :lol: Dependence on British fish :lol: You guys are so immersed in such outlandish lies you can't even tell what's real anymore. 

And that was supposed to blackmail the EU into giving you more than you already had and you had privileged position? :lol:  

 

Dependence on British fish. I'll have fits of laughter until the day I die. :lol: 

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1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

Russia is not manipulating us, 

Yes, it is, because 

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

We also aren`t a backwards country.

yes, you are. It was possible to motivate half of your population to vote for an obvious economic and political suicide, for the promise of spiting the foreigners. 

Just because you spited yourself doesn't bother you, you're people who can make themselves believe in fishing stories. 

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10 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Oooh, a list... what, no multi-coloured propaganda leaflets? 

Anyway... yes, I see... isn't that horrible? How soon can you crash out, telling other members they're not nearly as good as you are and their stinky organization will fall apart without you? 

No need to say it anymore, now everyone knows what to expect from you: irrational blackmail attempts, childish spite, ridiculous egotripping and destruction.

 

 

Oooooh, another list...

:lol: 

steve, throwing away already well established relations, making sure you created animosity and mistrust, then signing something is not a good thing.

 

I don't think there's any use of giving you a crash course in my country's history. Yeah, it's an easily ignorable little country. It's a blessing and a curse at the same time. Gives my nation the advantage of relative anonymity, while making the reliability of our alliances extra important. I'm personally quite happy with the current international position of my country, especially since Brexit. If only you exposed your bizarre ambitions sooner. Lives would be saved, literally. Well, too late. So I'm grateful at least you're gone now, complete with your Russians and your fish.    

 

By the way, fish, I've seen some older article about the ****ing fish and nearly died laughing.... there was a map showing dependence on the British fish that covers nearly whole EU :lol: Dependence on British fish :lol: You guys are so immersed in such outlandish lies you can't even tell what's real anymore. 

And that was supposed to blackmail the EU into giving you more than you already had and you had privileged position? :lol:  

 

Dependence on British fish. I'll have fits of laughter until the day I die. :lol: 

A simple No to the question would've sufficed.

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7 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Yes, it is, because 

yes, you are. It was possible to motivate half of your population to vote for an obvious economic and political suicide, for the promise of spiting the foreigners. 

Just because you spited yourself doesn't bother you, you're people who can make themselves believe in fishing stories. 

Give over, we are a major economic and military power.

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4 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

A simple No to the question would've sufficed.

But it's so amusing to study the sovereignty of the British fish. It's fascinating topic that gives one surprisingly deep insight in the depths of your delusions. And the ways your (how yours are they really?) media is exploiting them to manipulate you. 

So, how soon are you crashing out of these stinky international organizations that only limit your creativity? 

Make sure to threaten them with fish too. It worked like a charm with the EU. 

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