Coup Attempt

[Will Due]

16 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

That's why I made the suggestion of looking at the people involved and their general behaviour rather than what they are selling you.

As I said, I find it a decent compass. 

 

What I see is that everyone is very passionate about "doing the right thing". Everyone! That's the behaviour I'm witnessing. 

So what the hell or who the hell is setting it all apart? 

It's never been better in the world. Heck, even in the poorest places on earth there's generally a relatively high standard of living. At least compared to say 60 years ago.

What gives? Is the human race simply unable to enjoy the fruits of our ancestor's labor without waging mock wars?

It's kinda hilarious really. If it isn't incredibly sad.

 

 

Edited January 8, 2021 by Will Do

[F3SS]

4 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

For some who claims he isn't a Republican why do you jump to one political party or the other. It just like your comments about called the National guard, why is that so important to you after all that occurred why does it matter so much?

You say you don't care, but it is obvious you are very emotionally invest in this and no matter what you say, your comments prove you do care, so why not admit it?

It is better to answer honestly than to continue the Charade your currently using.

I'm just invested into this forum. Been here forever. 10 years now. I have much less to talk about these days. Been going back and forth on politics here for a decade now. We've seen it all, I've said it all. Admittedly I'm probably just posting some things just to try and stay involved here for the sake of it. Its not much fun anymore. We have posters that absolutely flood the forum with every single miniscule headline that pops up on their phone yet could easily be thrown into the conversation of a dozen other threads at any given time. Could they scream hello look at me any louder? Probably not. Won't mention any names. Now, we have a little brown-shirt coalition forming. Self appointed moderators who feel its their duty to cite rules, advise on forum policy or just straight up cry for the attention of moderators until everything they don't want to talk about is relegated as a conspiracy. AOCs blacklist comes to mind.. You do realize, or probably you don't, that is the exact behavior we have coming our way from Washington. Rat, dox and silence. 

Aside, Democrats are evil, Republicans are cowards. I have no use for any of them. Maybe one day you guys will get your wake up call. Probably not though. You're blind. We have all been used.

[psyche101]

3 minutes ago, Will Do said:

What I see is that everyone is very passionate about "doing the right thing". Everyone! That's the behaviour I'm witnessing. 

So what the hell or who the hell is setting it all apart? 

The leaders who are dividing the people. The people are too busy fighting for someone else rather than control of their own minds. 

3 minutes ago, Will Do said:

It's never been better in the world. Heck, even in the poorest places on earth there's generally a relatively high standard of living. At least compared to say 60 years ago.

What gives? Is the human race simply unable to enjoy the fruits of our ancestor's labor without waging mock wars?

It's never changed really. Think about all the times we made contact with new people's. Massacre was the general outcome. We blame the invaders without thought for the brutal local wars raging before a new enemy to unite against came along. 

3 minutes ago, Will Do said:

It's kinda hilarious really.

It's Darwinism. Recognising that allows us to create a better existance than the cruel path nature lays out. 

[Duke Wellington]

Trump has conceded.

I suspect behind the scenes he was talk we have you, we will charge you for insurrection unless you concede, so he has conceded.

Whether his supporters will listen is another matter.

[Hankenhunter]

7 minutes ago, Will Do said:

 

Hank, you and I have already had a meeting of the soul. We both know where to look for the truth. So does everyone else though.

"The truth is self-evident"

So what is everyone up-in-arms about?

What path are we all being led down?

 

 

I am learning an incredible amount. I also trying to help people heal. My purpose for the last four years has been to help stop the madness. That's over, I learned recently. Now, my job, is to help people heal anyway I can. All polititions are corrupt to different degrees. If you want to spot a decent politition, you only have to look at his face. Are there laugh lines, smile wrinkles, an easy honest boyish grin, or unlined faces, pursed lips perpetually down turned, eyes averting yours, and their permanent negative attitude? It's all there if you look hard. This is the paradigm shift that I said was coming. It's arrived, and a whole country, including the world are involved. Do the best you can, and honestly admit the mistakes you made, to yourself, and learn from them. Its all anyone can do. That way when you do look back, there's no guilty baggage following you around. I was where you are, I had to fight, and overcome myself, my past, my future with help. Now I get to give back. It's awesome. Just giving for the sake of it. Ponder on this. With what we discussed earlier, Donald had to play his part. He did it very well. A huge lesson was learned by a huge amount of people who needed it. Remember the old saying about offers? If it's too good to be true, it probably isnt. 

Trump single handedly brought America back from the brink of total corruption of everything American. Ive forgiven him, but he still had to pay for his crimes. Now for the kicker, after Trump dies, passes over without the one of a kind Trump suit, how do you think his soul will feel when the full weight of what it did comes crashing down. There's no punishment worse than that we inflict on ourselves. Peace, my brother. Its thd only way.

[Will Due]

3 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

The leaders who are dividing the people. The people are too busy fighting for someone else rather than control of their own minds. 

 

I think this might just be what it's all for. Eventually the people will tire of it. They'll wake up. It won't surprise me if it all happens at the same time.

 

3 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

It's never changed really. Think about all the times we made contact with new people's. Massacre was the general outcome. We blame the invaders without thought for the brutal local wars raging before a new enemy to unite against came along. 

 

I was think of something else. I was thinking of all those people in the poorest places that have many of the same luxuries most other people have. Mobile phones, good healthcare, clean running water and so forth. I know there's still a long way to go. I know a lot of people are still suffering. Usually at the hands of the selfish.

 

3 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

It's Darwinism. Recognising that allows us to create a better existance than the cruel path nature lays out. 

 

Yes that's it. Recognition.

That's when the world will wake up.

 

 

[Duke Wellington]

6 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Thanks for your excellent advice, but since it is coming from you I don't need it.

When it comes from me then you know you need to calm down.

You are worse than me on the other side lol.

[Hankenhunter]

4 minutes ago, Will Do said:

 

I think this might just be what it's all for. Eventually the people will tire of it. They'll wake up. It won't surprise me if it all happens at the same time.

 

 

I was think of something else. I was thinking of all those people in the poorest places that have many of the same luxuries most other people have. Mobile phones, good healthcare, clean running water and so forth. I know there's still a long way to go. I know a lot of people are still suffering. Usually at the hands of the selfish.

 

 

Yes that's it. Recognition.

That's when the world will wake up.

 

 

It's waking up now. The world, by sheer amount of knowledge,  is more aware now than it ever has. Stop thinking with your mind. It's a overly rational beast who's only job is to keep you alive. That's all its ever been. Use your heart, and soul instead. It's  much easier, and less confusing. For me anyway. So what have you got to lose? Your way doesn't seem to be giving you the peace you need. 

Sorry for the thread jack folks, but someone need help. I'm done now.  Please continue this excellent thread.

[Will Due]

8 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

I am learning an incredible amount. I also trying to help people heal. My purpose for the last four years has been to help stop the madness. That's over, I learned recently. Now, my job, is to help people heal anyway I can. All polititions are corrupt to different degrees. If you want to spot a decent politition, you only have to look at his face. Are there laugh lines, smile wrinkles, an easy honest boyish grin, or unlined faces, pursed lips perpetually down turned, eyes averting yours, and their permanent negative attitude? It's all there if you look hard. This is the paradigm shift that I said was coming. It's arrived, and a whole country, including the world are involved. Do the best you can, and honestly admit the mistakes you made, to yourself, and learn from them. Its all anyone can do. That way when you do look back, there's no guilty baggage following you around. I was where you are, I had to fight, and overcome myself, my past, my future with help. Now I get to give back. It's awesome. Just giving for the sake of it. Ponder on this. With what we discussed earlier, Donald had to play his part. He did it very well. A huge lesson was learned by a huge amount of people who needed it. Remember the old saying about offers? If it's too good to be true, it probably isnt. 

Trump single handedly brought America back from the brink of total corruption of everything American. Ive forgiven him, but he still had to pay for his crimes. Now for the kicker, after Trump dies, passes over without the one of a kind Trump suit, how do you think his soul will feel when the full weight of what it did comes crashing down. There's no punishment worse than that we inflict on ourselves. Peace, my brother. Its thd only way.

 

I think the time has arrived for us to find things that can be agreed on. Find things that are common for the good of all. Find things that will pull the curtain on whatever is causing conflict where it doesn't belong.

And I agree with you Hank. There's no other way.

 

 

[Hankenhunter]

Now your talkin. P.m me any time.

[+Razman]

Thats how you can tell a politician is lying .......................  His lips are moving.

[F3SS]

40 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Trump has conceded.

I suspect behind the scenes he was talk we have you, we will charge you for insurrection unless you concede, so he has conceded.

Whether his supporters will listen is another matter.

I'm not sure it went down that way. He didn't technically concede or say he lost or mention a Biden administration. Had it went down the way you say he would've been compelled to be far more direct with that phrasing.

[Hankenhunter]

Trump campaign withdraws four lawsuits challenging Georgia election results

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/trump-campaign-withdraws-four-lawsuits-challenge-georgia-election-results/RRPPUCAOZRB4TOSM76CCGY43Q4/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

[Duke Wellington]

3 minutes ago, F3SS said:

I'm not sure it went down that way. He didn't technically concede or say he lost or mention a Biden administration. Had it went down the way you say he would've been compelled to be far more direct with that phrasing.

Well the tone of it was like he wasn`t going to continue pursuing an investigation of election fraud.

[psyche101]

42 minutes ago, Will Do said:

I think this might just be what it's all for. Eventually the people will tire of it. They'll wake up. It won't surprise me if it all happens at the same time.

It would be a great change in direction, however, history would indicate otherwise. As long as people are looking for a saviour they will be let down. It's up to us to make a better world. 

42 minutes ago, Will Do said:

I was think of something else. I was thinking of all those people in the poorest places that have many of the same luxuries most other people have. Mobile phones, good healthcare, clean running water and so forth. I know there's still a long way to go. I know a lot of people are still suffering. Usually at the hands of the selfish.

Then you're advocating socialism? 

42 minutes ago, Will Do said:

Yes that's it. Recognition.

That's when the world will wake up.

I think it's getting there, and that it seems slower than it should be. 

[F3SS]

9 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Well the tone of it was like he wasn`t going to continue pursuing an investigation of election fraud.

Definitely agree with that.

[Grim Reaper 6]

35 minutes ago, F3SS said:

I'm just invested into this forum. Been here forever. 10 years now. I have much less to talk about these days. Been going back and forth on politics here for a decade now. We've seen it all, I've said it all. Admittedly I'm probably just posting some things just to try and stay involved here for the sake of it. Its not much fun anymore. We have posters that absolutely flood the forum with every single miniscule headline that pops up on their phone yet could easily be thrown into the conversation of a dozen other threads at any given time. Could they scream hello look at me any louder? Probably not. Won't mention any names. Now, we have a little brown-shirt coalition forming. Self appointed moderators who feel its their duty to cite rules, advise on forum policy or just straight up cry for the attention of moderators until everything they don't want to talk about is relegated as a conspiracy. AOCs blacklist comes to mind.. You do realize, or probably you don't, that is the exact behavior we have coming our way from Washington. Rat, dox and silence. 

Aside, Democrats are evil, Republicans are cowards. I have no use for any of them. Maybe one day you guys will get your wake up call. Probably not though. You're blind. We have all been used.

Wow you have been here 10 years, that is an accomplishment. You certainly seem really emotionally invested in the Political section of this forum for someone who doesnt really have an interest in Politics. I can appreciate what you saying, but what you are saying doesnt ring true, you have supported a single political position over the last 6 months. Which is your right, but to say otherwise is not true at all, but who cares anyway. Wow, so you use your phone to post comments on the forum, that must get very tiring, using all those little fingers, I dont know how you can do it. I only use my MAC or my IPAD post, my hands and fingers are too big to ever post with a phone. Yes some people do certainly make numerous posts on the forum concerning US Politics, but that is their right. Just like it is your right to not get involved in those threads, maybe your should consider that in the future, maybe then your emotional investment will not cause you to be so stressed by them. I dont agree that anyone is screaming look at me, I think the reason people post so many threads is because unlike you, they care about the Damage, Division, and confusion that our current President has made as a new way of life in American. Maybe posting is how they express their personal displeasure with the changes that have made in 4 short years. Where Conspiracies are excepted as real, where daily lies are excepted as reality, and where the United States has been divided along Political lines, along lines of race, and along the lines of the haves and have nots.  I agree with you about the forum Brown Shirts, I can recall not that long ago, where someone actually told me I was breaking the forum rules. It was very very funny, because the individual quoted rule and the paragraph in his post, which actually did violate forum rules and he was corrected for doing so by a moderator. You know it is very humorous when someone calls someone on rule, but doesnt even know the rules well enough not to violate the rules themselves in the process. Lol

Oh, I am very aware what has been happening in Washington DC going back 40 plus years, I always pay attention to anything that will directly effect my life, isn't that everyone does? 

I have no Idea what your talking about concerning AOC Blacklist, what does that mean?

You talk about people being blind, and unable to comprehend what is going on. So long as you only apply that to yourself, that is very reasonable, but you are not in any position to apply personal beliefs to anyone else. Especially since you feel that all political parties are worthless and corrupt, because that is like saying others dont have the right to have their own opinion of the situation, or that they dont the right to voice it on an open forum. I dont believe you would be that, because we know how foolish that would appear.

Take care

[Hankenhunter]

24 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

It would be a great change in direction, however, history would indicate otherwise. As long as people are looking for a saviour they will be let down. It's up to us to make a better world. 

Then you're advocating socialism? 

I think it's getting there, and that it seems slower than it should be. 

Look at it this way, a collective is much harder to reach than an individual. People tend to believe the loudest, and most charismatic personality, no matter what. Magnify, and set that to the world's population.  Daunting isn't it? It takes a while for people to see that they've been blind, and betrayed. And sometimes, it takes something like yesterday to raise awareness overnight. If you check the rabid right wing forums, you'll see a bunch of confused people who feel betrayed by Trump. They did what he asked them to, and now he's capitulating. Some are actually ashamed of their actions. I dunno, I think today is a bit brighter than yesterday. And the world a little bit wiser. And possibly a few tyrants sweating. Jmo

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 8, 2021 by Hankenhunter

[the13bats]

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

Trump has conceded.

I suspect behind the scenes he was talk we have you, we will charge you for insurrection unless you concede, so he has conceded.

Whether his supporters will listen is another matter.

Yes!

I had posted its own thread with video link ( it deserves it ) before seeing this just now,

I agree with your thinking but a bit differently, i believe it was the first part, that someone trump listens to ( ivanka ? )  told him that he would be impeached or act 25th or even might face some nasty other legal fallout, he didnt want any of it.

He did in his way concede, which wasnt easy for him but more important for what its worth he tried to start the healing.

You ask will his supporters listen, that makes me thing of Mary Shelley novel the modern Prometheus, dr created a monster and monster wont listen to dr.

 

 

 

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Yes!

I had posted its own thread with video link ( it deserves it ) before seeing this just now,

I agree with your thinking but a bit differently, i believe it was the first part, that someone trump listens to ( ivanka ? )  told him that he would be impeached or act 25th or even might face some nasty other legal fallout, he didnt want any of it.

He did in his way concede, which wasnt easy for him but more important for what its worth he tried to start the healing.

You ask will his supporters listen, that makes me thing of Mary Shelley novel the modern Prometheus, dr created a monster and monster wont listen to dr.

 

 

 

 

While this is a wonderful thing, he will still be in office for 13 more days. The best think Trump could do right now is resign his office, and that is the only thing that will keep him out of jail. If he resigns his office, Vice President Pence would take over until 20 January, and then Pence would have the authority to Pardon President Trump. That's the only way he can get away with what he personally caused to happen yesterday. But, you know what my friend I dont think Trump is intelligent enough to do this, because he still think he can pardon himself.

Take care Bats 

[the13bats]

3 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

While this is a wonderful thing, he will still be in office for 13 more days. The best think Trump could do right now is resign his office, and that is the only thing that will keep him out of jail. If he resigns his office, Vice President Pence would take over until 20 January, and then Pence would have the authority to Pardon President Trump. That's the only way he can get away with what he personally caused to happen yesterday. But, you know what my friend I dont think Trump is intelligent enough to do this, because he still think he can pardon himself.

Take care Bats 

Smarts or self preservation instincts,

If you were trump wouldnt you want a pardon in whatever way you could get it, whoever is advising him, if they say step down let pence pardon you, trump will, i see a good 75% chance of that happening.

However the bigger problem is trump has far more legal issues then a pardon can wash away, which might ne a delight for many but its no day at the beach for trump,

13 days from now his real problems start.

[Hankenhunter]

I wouldn't be in his shoes for a billion dollars. His accumulated karma wouldn't fit in Lake Superior.

[Arbenol]

3 hours ago, psyche101 said:

I noticed that he snuck in a line to weasel out of the fact that he incited the violence with his election fraud claims to validate himself.

Not really surprising, is it? And he's definitely not alone amongst politicians that fail to take responsibility for anything. He is the most transparent, though.

[psyche101]

23 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

Look at it this way, a collective is much harder to reach than an individual. People tend to believe the loudest, and most charismatic personality, no matter what. Magnify, and set that to the world's population.  Daunting isn't it? It takes a while for people to see that they've been blind, and betrayed. And sometimes, it takes something like yesterday to raise awareness overnight. If you check the rabid right wing forums, you'll see a bunch of confused people who feel betrayed by Trump. They did what he asked them to, and now he's capitulating. Some are actually ashamed of their actions. I dunno, I think today is a bit brighter than yesterday. And the world a little bit wiser. And possibly a few tyrants sweating. Jmo

Well hope is a good thing.

The number of people I'm still seeing on the telly screaming the election was stolen makes me think not enough learned anything. BTW, what happened to AT? 

[Hankenhunter]

4 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Well hope is a good thing.

The number of people I'm still seeing on the telly screaming the election was stolen makes me think not enough learned anything. BTW, what happened to AT? 

AT? I don't understand. I've got a head like a sheep's butt, all full of wool today. Long night last night.