Are covid statistics inflated?

[Rolci 310]

I have been seeing a few threads here claiming that covid cases are on the rise. Is that really so or is it possible that there are other factors at play here? Let's investigate.

"Official" figures will have you believe that 2 million people died in Covid. Let's see if the numbers can be maintained if you take a closer look at what's happening.

Since the entire world is too large a sample and figures for past years is next to impossible to obtain, it will be necessary to look at one country and see if the numbers make sense. The country with the most alleged covid-deaths in the world is the USA, with roughly 400,000 deaths reported. So let's take a closer look at flu in the USA, where there is the biggest hype about covid.

Fact No.1: Over 80,000 people died in flu in the USA in the 2017-2018 flu season. Source: https://www.healthline.com/health/influenza/facts-and-statistics?c=1469603645546#Prevalence

From this, with no "covid" around, you would extrapolate for the TWO flu seasons of 2019-20 and 2020-21 combined an estimated 160,000 deaths. Instead we have 400,000 reported deaths, 150% more than we projected. Not a great difference, but certainly substantial enough to make it worthy of a deeper investigation, especially in light of all the hype in the mass media. So what's happening here?

Very simple. Let's look at more facts.

Fact No.2: In line with covid-reporting guidelines, hospitals in the US are now required to show "covid" on death certificates if any patient had had a positive covid test (see fact no.4 to learn more about these "tests") within 2 weeks preceding death, REGARDLESS what the ACTUAL cause of death was. Yes, that is not limited to heart disease and stroke but includes drowning, suicide, car accidents and gunshot wounds.

Fact No.3: In the US (and many other countries of the world) we now have an incentivised reporting system. The way this looks in our chosen country, the US, is this: every hospital that reports a diagnosed pneumonia receive $4600, for every diagnosed covid (from the same symptoms, of course) they receive $13,000, and if they put a covid-patient on ventilator they get $39,000. It doesn't take much brains to guess what the managing directors' instructions will be if the want to secure the most possible funds, which will then in turn help them achieve their targets, so they can receive a higher bonus.
An item of interest to mention here, if a patient had a test before death but s/he dies before the results come back, the doctors will wait for the results before they do a post-mortem. If the result comes back as positive, they put "covid" on the death certificate. If it comes back as negative, they will do a post-mortem to see what the real cause was. If you thought that was incredible, take this: In some places post-mortem examinations are no longer required for those who die of the coronavirus. How's that work???

Fact No.4: The test used for testing covid in the US (and almost everywhere else in the world) is called the PCR test. It stands for polymerase chain reaction and it was developed in the 1980s by Kary B. Mullis. In Mullis's own words, the PCR test was NEVER meant for TESTING any strains of flu, for the simple reason that it is NOT SUITABLE for the purposes of testing for a virus. If you are looking for a fuller understanding of why this is so, see Kary himself explaining this item of interest that is critical to understand here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfMtTmD5ZYY Instead of adding an additional point I will just mention here as a sidenote the fact that the way the PCR test works is that it looks at the level of "decay" in the genetic material. The salient point to note: NO CONTROL has ever been established to say to what degree genetic material decays with no virus present. That's correct, for all we know the "decay" may well be a natural process, or an effect caused by the testing process itself. No phantom virus necessary.

Fact No.5: One additional interesting property of the PCR test is that if you repeat the cycles enough times, it will show a positive result for anyone and everyone, regardless of whether there actually is any virus present in the genetic material or not. This is why the majority of people that test positive say they have ZERO symptoms. In case you were wondering. For this reason the CT (cycle threshold) number (which describes how many times the genetic matter is amplified to get a visible result) has been set at 35 in most countries. This is not because at this level no false positives are possible. On the contrary, this level has been set ARBITRARILY. All it means is that at a CT of 35, false positives are LESS LIKELY than at a CT level of 36 or more. But obviously more likely than at a CT of 34, and much more likely than at a CT value of 30. So now you understand why Elon Musk received 2 positive and 2 negative PCR test results (from different labs, just to really test the scammy system) the same day when he said he was experiencing flu-like symptoms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPIYLii4Xdg
It is set as high as 35 because this was the level at which they can get the number of infections (and therefore also the number of "covid-deaths") that they wanted. See the logic now how the 2-week reporting period and the unreasonably high CT-threshold tie in to provide the perfect scare tactics? For more info see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_1Z8cSXI-Q

Fact No.6: This is the kicker. No virus identifiable as "covid-19" has ever been isolated and shown to exist. Yes, you read that right. WHENEVER a covid test comes back as positive (or false positive) that does not actually say which strain of the flu is present in the genetic material. It COULD be covid (if there even exists such a thing, which is VERY doubtful) or it could be last year's strain still doing its rounds, or any other strain. The genetic material does not have a label on it saying "my name is covid". I will say again: No virus identifiable as "covid-19" has ever been isolated and shown to exist. This stands true as of January 2021. Not only that, there is no conclusive evidence to date that ANY virus causes ANY illness.

Fact No.7: This one is VERY simple and you'll love it. Whenever they increase the number of tests done, there is a "mystery spike" in the number of reported infections. This is especially "hard" to understand since the nature of the PCR test is that it guarantees false positives. Double the number of tests and you are doubling the number of false positives. Surprise!

All that said I am personally not worried since, even though I have been tested positive for covid, I have been practising the Wim Hof Method, which means I do not get inflammation in my body. The way pneumonia (or covid, if you choose to still believe in it, but realize that it's just a word, a label) kills is by inflammation of the lungs. Wim's breathing technique makes your body release Epinephrine, which in turn leads to increased production of Interleukin-10 and other anti-inflammatory agents in the body while at the same time it dampens the pro-inflammatory Cytokine response. Also the accompanying hyperventilation floods the blood with oxygen and also results in a higher number of white blood cells. The white blood cells fight disease and the oxygen ensures faster recovery. So as a net effect, you don't get sick; if you do have some mild symptoms like I do now, you recover much faster. And more importantly, you do not get inflamed lungs and you don't DIE from pneumonia when you have Coronavirus! Therefore my symptoms have been limited to a mild temperature of 37.5 C and a throat ever so slightly sore I can hardly tell there is any soreness at all. To find out more about how the WHM works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6jqaALpEFM

Finally, there will be a few who have, at some point in their lives, decided to use critical thinking, do research and evaluate the data, and make life decisions based on the available data. These few individuals will be interested to know what the real agenda(s) behind the whole invisible enemy parade is and why there is a global lockdown on this planet, but who have also had enough of conspiracy theories like "it's all about 5G". My friends, allow me to present the Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Housing during the Bush administration, Catherine Austin Fitts. It is time for the truth.

P. S.: Youtube keeps taking her videos down after they reach a few million views. If that becomes the case with the video the above link redirects to, you MIGHT find a live copy if you search for a video with the key words "Catherine Austin Fitts", or "Planet Lockdown". Though it won't be easy due to the level of censorship going rampant.

There are things we can do and there is a way out of all this, but that's a topic for another thread.

Edited Wednesday at 03:19 PM by Rolci

[stereologist 24,214]

Not so sure about your facts. let's begin with your fact 1.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html

The CDC states that there were 61,000. Not too worried about that. But what about this quote from your link.

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During the severe 2017-2018 flu season, one of the longest in recent years, estimates indicate that more than 900,000 people were hospitalized and more than 80,000 people died from flu.

It states that the source for the 80,000 was unpublished data so that is probably why the numbers do not match up. But that's not the issue. What is the issue is that the season was long and more deadly than normal. IN fact, the number of deaths that season was the largest in the last decade.

You wrote: "From this, with no "covid" around, you would extrapolate for the TWO flu seasons of 2019-20 and 2020-21 combined an estimated 160,000 deaths. "

I do not think that is reasonable because you chose the worst flu season. The number before then ranged from 12,000 to 51,000 in the link I gave. BTW, my link into the CDC says this: "Estimates from the 2017-2018, 2018-2019, and 2019-2020 seasons are preliminary and may change as data are finalized." and that was from October 2020.

I would point out that the idea that 2 1/2 times more dead is a big difference even when using a bad flu season. Use a light flu season and its well over 30 times more dead.

The number of dead due to one disease is not a way to validate or check deaths due to another disease.

Furthermore, you and others have used flu deaths as if they are concrete and certain while disputing deaths from COVID-19. You might wonder how deaths from the flu can be 80,000 and the 61,000. There is a simple answer. It all depends on how the deaths are reported. A fair number of flu deaths are reported as presumptive flu deaths. Around 1/3 of reported flu deaths are presumptive cases.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/how-cdc-estimates.htm

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What methods are used to estimate the number of influenza-associated deaths in the U.S.?

The methods to estimate the annual number of influenza-associated deaths  have been described in detail elsewhere (1-2). The model uses a ratio of deaths-to-hospitalizations in order to estimate the total influenza-associated deaths from the estimated number of influenza-associated hospitalizations.

We first look at how many in-hospital deaths were observed in FluSurv-NET. The in-hospital deaths are adjusted for under-detection of influenza using methods similar to those described above for hospitalizations using data on the frequency and sensitivity of influenza testing. Second, because not all deaths related to influenza occur in the hospital, we use death certificate data to estimate how likely  deaths are to occur outside the hospital.  We look at death certificates that have pneumonia or influenza causes (P&I), other respiratory and circulatory causes (R&C), or other non-respiratory, non-circulatory causes of death, because deaths related to influenza may not have influenza listed as a cause of death. We use information on the causes of death from FluSurv-NET to determine the mixture of P&I, R&C, and other coded deaths to include in our investigation of death certificate data. Finally, once we estimate the proportion of influenza-associated deaths that occurred outside of the hospital, we can estimate the deaths-to-hospitalization ratio.

Data needed to estimate influenza-associated deaths may lag for up to two years after the season ends. When this is not yet available for the season being estimated, we adjust based on values observed in prior seasons (e.g., the 2010-2011 season through the 2016-2017 season) and update the estimates when more current data become available.

This tells us that there is a lot of work done to get good figures for influenza. It's not an easy task and there are plenty of complications.

 

[stereologist 24,214]

Let's continue to check things out.

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Fact No.2: In line with covid-reporting guidelines, hospitals in the US are now required to show "covid" on death certificates if any patient had had a positive covid test (see fact no.4 to learn more about these "tests") within 2 weeks preceding death, REGARDLESS what the ACTUAL cause of death was. Yes, that is not limited to heart disease and stroke but includes drowning, suicide, car accidents and gunshot wounds.

Well this is just plain false. Not sure where you got this, but that is not true at all.

Here is the problem. Due to the nut job president there has been no effort to produce a national guideline on reporting of COVID-19 deaths. If there had been that would have been good. But there is none. The fact is that the reporting guidelines are left up to each state. Some states have tried to push the COVID-19 claims by reporting deaths of anyone that had tested positive for COVID-19. Maybe you live in one of those states. Other states report COVID-19 deaths based on death certificates that show COVID-19 contributed to the person's death.

Your claim here is false. You should fix that mistake.

If you recall last summer, the CDC reported death certificates for COVID-19 victims. Turns out that only 6% of people were listed with just COVID-19. When people die there can be more than 1 factor contributing to the person's death. That count was below the total count of COVID-19 deaths because those death reports and certificates came from states that used death certificates to report deaths due to COVID-19.

 

[spartan max2 17,337]

1 hour ago, Rolci said:

Fact No.2: In line with covid-reporting guidelines, hospitals in the US are now required to show "covid" on death certificates if any patient had had a positive covid test (see fact no.4 to learn more about these "tests") within 2 weeks preceding death, REGARDLESS what the ACTUAL cause of death was. Yes, that is not limited to heart disease and stroke but includes drowning, suicide, car accidents and gunshot wounds.

If you get shot with a bullet the cause of death is going to be blood loss. Blood loss is how you died.

But it would be dumb to claim the bullet isn't what caused the blood loss and therefore ultimately death.

Similarly, if someone gets Covid and dies of a stroke then sure, the stroke killed them. But Covid caused the stroke.

Edited Wednesday at 04:30 PM by spartan max2

[spartan max2 17,337]

1 hour ago, Rolci said:

Fact No.3: In the US (and many other countries of the world) we now have an incentivised reporting system. The way this looks in our chosen country, the US, is this: every hospital that reports a diagnosed pneumonia receive $4600, for every diagnosed covid (from the same symptoms, of course) they receive $13,000, and if they put a covid-patient on ventilator they get $39,000. It doesn't take much brains to guess what the managing directors' instructions will be if the want to secure the most possible funds, which will then in turn help them achieve their targets, so they can receive a higher bonus.
An item of interest to mention here, if a patient had a test before death but s/he dies before the results come back, the doctors will wait for the results before they do a post-mortem. If the result comes back as positive, they put "covid" on the death certificate. If it comes back as negative, they will do a post-mortem to see what the real cause was. If you thought that was incredible, take this: In some places post-mortem examinations are no longer required for those who die of the coronavirus. How's that work???

Yes hospitals get paid for providing services like how all service industries work.

What's your alternative? Would you rather they not provide ventilators and people die? Or should they just be forced to work for free?

[stereologist 24,214]

Not sure if there is much truth to fact 3.

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Fact No.3: In the US (and many other countries of the world) we now have an incentivised reporting system. The way this looks in our chosen country, the US, is this: every hospital that reports a diagnosed pneumonia receive $4600, for every diagnosed covid (from the same symptoms, of course) they receive $13,000, and if they put a covid-patient on ventilator they get $39,000. It doesn't take much brains to guess what the managing directors' instructions will be if the want to secure the most possible funds, which will then in turn help them achieve their targets, so they can receive a higher bonus.
An item of interest to mention here, if a patient had a test before death but s/he dies before the results come back, the doctors will wait for the results before they do a post-mortem. If the result comes back as positive, they put "covid" on the death certificate. If it comes back as negative, they will do a post-mortem to see what the real cause was. If you thought that was incredible, take this: In some places post-mortem examinations are no longer required for those who die of the coronavirus. How's that work???

The decisions to put people on ventilators and to use different treatments comes from doctors, not CEOs. Maybe you did not know that. But if a CEO makes a medical decision they can be jailed for practicing medicine without a license. It's a serious offense. The doctors on the other hand have to deal with whether or not a patient survives. Before this pandemic it was well known that about half the people put on ventilators die. So a doctor needlessly putting people on ventilators is in effect killing people. That's not happening. Doctors are not doing as you suggest.

Besides you have provided nothing here but some laughable innuendos you got from who knows what dubious source.

Your claims in the next paragraph are you making things up or copying from some junk source.

And the use of post-mortems? Well it is down, down, down. They used to be done regularly about 50 years ago but the use of post-mortems has drastically dropped in recent years.

https://apnews.com/article/pandemics-new-york-ap-top-news-coronavirus-pandemic-402d045e86620c669d0706560608c116

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But they’ve lost stature over the years as the medical world instead turned to lab tests and imaging scans. In 1950, the practice was conducted on about half of deceased hospital patients. Today, those rates have shrunk to somewhere between 5% and 11%.

It's no surprise that with the reduction in rates of autopsies that few autopsies are done in this pandemic.

[stereologist 24,214]

In your so-called list of facts you have fact 4 which relies on the words of a nutter.

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Fact No.4: The test used for testing covid in the US (and almost everywhere else in the world) is called the PCR test. It stands for polymerase chain reaction and it was developed in the 1980s by Kary B. Mullis. In Mullis's own words, the PCR test was NEVER meant for TESTING any strains of flu, for the simple reason that it is NOT SUITABLE for the purposes of testing for a virus. If you are looking for a fuller understanding of why this is so, see Kary himself explaining this item of interest that is critical to understand here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfMtTmD5ZYY Instead of adding an additional point I will just mention here as a sidenote the fact that the way the PCR test works is that it looks at the level of "decay" in the genetic material. The salient point to note: NO CONTROL has ever been established to say to what degree genetic material decays with no virus present. That's correct, for all we know the "decay" may well be a natural process, or an effect caused by the testing process itself. No phantom virus necessary.

I wonder where you go this claim about Mullis because this is not true: "In Mullis's own words, the PCR test was NEVER meant for TESTING any strains of flu, for the simple reason that it is NOT SUITABLE for the purposes of testing for a virus." That's a made up story about Mullis and you fell for it.

https://fullfact.org/online/pcr-test-mullis/

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He didn’t say PCR testing couldn’t be used for testing for any diseases, as some social media posts claim. Confusion seems to have arisen from quotes of his in a 1996 article about HIV and AIDS. In this, neither the author of the article, nor Dr Mullis said PCR testing does not work or only identifies the DNA or RNA of the person being tested. 

The author actually quotes Dr Mullis as saying “Quantitative PCR is an oxymoron” within the context of testing viral load (the amount of virus present) in people with HIV. This doesn’t mean he thought PCR testing didn’t work at all, but that there are limitations in detecting the specific levels of a virus from a sample using PCR testing.

Fact checkers at Australian Associated Press say that when the quotes about PCR testing picking up the DNA of the person being tested first appeared online, they were “not attributed to Dr Mullis but to an online commenter called "VirusGuy"”.

This shows you have no idea what PCR does: "I will just mention here as a sidenote the fact that the way the PCR test works is that it looks at the level of "decay" in the genetic material." That is not what PCR does at all. LOL. Your claims about no control for something that is not done by PCR is pretty funny don't you think.

To help you out with what PCR actually does here is some info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymerase_chain_reaction

And how is the flu detected? PCR!

And here it is used to detect hepatitis viruses

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8390955/#:~:text=Polymerase chain reaction detection of hepatitis C virus-RNA,disease%2C particularly in anti-hepatitis C virus antibody-negative individuals.

And another disease

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24799643/

Pretty easy to find out that it is widely used for a variety of diseases.

[stereologist 24,214]

Onto the next false fact. Where did you get al of these fake things you call facts?

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Fact No.5: One additional interesting property of the PCR test is that if you repeat the cycles enough times, it will show a positive result for anyone and everyone, regardless of whether there actually is any virus present in the genetic material or not. This is why the majority of people that test positive say they have ZERO symptoms. In case you were wondering. For this reason the CT (cycle threshold) number (which describes how many times the genetic matter is amplified to get a visible result) has been set at 35 in most countries. This is not because at this level no false positives are possible. On the contrary, this level has been set ARBITRARILY. All it means is that at a CT of 35, false positives are LESS LIKELY than at a CT level of 36 or more. But obviously more likely than at a CT of 34, and much more likely than at a CT value of 30. So now you understand why Elon Musk received 2 positive and 2 negative PCR test results (from different labs, just to really test the scammy system) the same day when he said he was experiencing flu-like symptoms. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPIYLii4Xdg
It is set as high as 35 because this was the level at which they can get the number of infections (and therefore also the number of "covid-deaths") that they wanted. See the logic now how the 2-week reporting period and the unreasonably high CT-threshold tie in to provide the perfect scare tactics? For more info see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_1Z8cSXI-Q

This is just a bunch of malarkey which is not true at all. PCR as pointed out in the links above copies. It does not create whatever. It copies genetic material. The idea that enough copying does something such as "it will show a positive result for anyone and everyone, regardless of whether there actually is any virus present in the genetic material or not." is abloney.

Here is more laughable baloney: "For this reason the CT (cycle threshold) number (which describes how many times the genetic matter is amplified to get a visible result) has been set at 35 in most countries. "

That's just ignorance of the process or any process for that matter. YOu need to make enough material to run a test. You have to get a sample and then add reagents to use in the reaction. SOme of that added material breaks down due to the cycling of temperatures.

https://www.biologydiscussion.com/biotechnology/polymerase-chain-reaction/polymerase-chain-reaction-pcr-stages-types-factors-and-other-details/12389

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Taq polymerase is given as having a half-life of 30 min at 95°C, which is partly why one should not do more than about 30 amplification cycles.

This talk about false positives and numbers of cycles is the sort of dubious story telling that makes people suspicious of all of the tales being told.

The best thing to do is to check out stories people are telling to see if there is any merit to the stories. As we see the stories here are getting deeper and deeper into the manure pile.

[stereologist 24,214]

Now this is just a plain old stupid lie.

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Fact No.6: This is the kicker. No virus identifiable as "covid-19" has ever been isolated and shown to exist. Yes, you read that right. WHENEVER a covid test comes back as positive (or false positive) that does not actually say which strain of the flu is present in the genetic material. It COULD be covid (if there even exists such a thing, which is VERY doubtful) or it could be last year's strain still doing its rounds, or any other strain. The genetic material does not have a label on it saying "my name is covid". I will say again: No virus identifiable as "covid-19" has ever been isolated and shown to exist. This stands true as of January 2021. Not only that, there is no conclusive evidence to date that ANY virus causes ANY illness.

How do the lunk heads making up this stupidity think that HCQ and other drugs were tested against COVID-19? They were grown in cell cultures. There are cell cultures all over the world grow various virus including COVID-19 which was identified, isolated and sequenced by January 11, 2019. 

By October the virus was isolated and sequenced around 250 times a day. Labs all over the world have done this and yet some lunk head selling stupid lies to fools claims it isn't so.

This is the first really out and out lie of this list of fake facts.

Only the incredibly stupid would pay even a moment's attention to this lie.

The lie used to be that SARS-CoV-2 had never been photographed. That was of course after there was the insane claim no virus had ever been photographed. That feat was accomplished 90 years ago. 

Here are photos and computer reconstructions of SARS-CoV-2 virus.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-unveiled.html

[Setton 8,558]

2 hours ago, Rolci said:

[2021 Guiness World Record for largest pile of ****e]

And how do you explain the 85,000 excess deaths in the UK last year?

[stereologist 24,214]

After all of this baloney we are reduced to hearing about quackery. Was that the point of listing well debunked horse puckey?

For those interested in the Wim Hof quackery you can find out about it here:

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/wim-hof-the-iceman/

 

[acute 66,201]

2 hours ago, Rolci said:

Are covid statistics inflated?

No.  These are people who (regardless of any co-morbidities) would not have died, when they did, without contracting Covid-19.

 

Edited Wednesday at 05:34 PM by acute

[TigerBright19 1,882]

Why are Covid cases going up if most people are now wearing masks and entire nations are in lockdown?  Surely the numbers should be going down, not up?

 

Edited Wednesday at 06:17 PM by TigerBright19

[Obviousman 1,708]

7 minutes ago, TigerBright19 said:

Why are Covid cases going up if most people are now wearing masks and entire nations are in lockdown?  Surely the numbers should be going down, not up?

Don't forget there are mutated strains which are more contagious. I think the OP has a skewed view because they come from New Zealand (according to their profile). NZ, like Australia, took pretty effective action at the beginning and as such we have been spared the brunt of the disease. For example, in Australia, we have had some 875 people die from COVID. Since we don't have hospital systems collapsing under the strain, no mass morgues required and - most importantly - life hasn't been too severely affected, it easy for some people to think it doesn't exist because they have not personally been affected by it.

[glorybebe 8,559]

12 minutes ago, TigerBright19 said:

Why are Covid cases going up if most people are now wearing masks and entire nations are in lockdown?  Surely the numbers should be going down, not up?

 

Working in retail, the number of people who don't wear the masks properly is unbelievable.   They wear them under their nose, they pull them down so I can hear them  or pull them off once they pass the front of the store.  So, if people wore the masks PROPERLY, then the numbers would go down.  Don't get me started about the lack of social distancing...

[Obviousman 1,708]

3 minutes ago, glorybebe said:

Working in retail, the number of people who don't wear the masks properly is unbelievable.   They wear them under their nose, they pull them down so I can hear them  or pull them off once they pass the front of the store.  So, if people wore the masks PROPERLY, then the numbers would go down.  Don't get me started about the lack of social distancing...

Exactly. I don't wear a mask (except where it is mandatory) but am huge on social distancing, and am frustrated at the number of people who don't take this simple step.

[acute 66,201]

8 minutes ago, glorybebe said:

Working in retail, the number of people who don't wear the masks properly is unbelievable.

Did you see this?

She cut a hole in her mask, to make it easier to breathe!  

 

Edited Wednesday at 06:41 PM by acute

[TigerBright19 1,882]

14 minutes ago, Obviousman said:

For example, in Australia, we have had some 875 people die from COVID. Since we don't have hospital systems collapsing under the strain, no mass morgues required and - most importantly - life hasn't been too severely affected, it easy for some people to think it doesn't exist because they have not personally been affected by it.

875 people in total?  We get over 1,000 deaths every day in Britain and we are in full lockdown.  At this rate we probably won't get back to normal until the Summer.

 

Edited Wednesday at 06:45 PM by TigerBright19

[ian hacktorp 5,847]

Lots of official information about covid has been "inflated":

In Final Act, Trump Admin To Present 'Bombshell' Findings Blaming Wuhan Lab For COVID-19, WHO Cover-Up

WEDNESDAY, JAN 13, 2021 - 16:20

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The Trump administration will present 'dramatic new evidence' that the virus which causes COVID-19 leaked from a Wuhan lab, according to the Daily Mail, which adds that outgoing Secretary of State Mike Pompeo will make a "bombshell" announcement that SARS-CoV-2 did not naturally jump from bats to humans through an intermediary species - and was instead cultured by scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), where both Chinese and foreign experts have warned of shoddy bio-security for years.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/final-act-trump-admin-present-bombshell-findings-blaming-wuhan-lab-covid-19-who-cover

[stereologist 24,214]

30 minutes ago, TigerBright19 said:

Why are Covid cases going up if most people are now wearing masks and entire nations are in lockdown?  Surely the numbers should be going down, not up?

 

No. There is more than one reason for this. Not everyone wears a mask. And lock downs are not always as tight as some speculate. There is also lag time. It takes a while from infection to the expression of symptoms. Health measures include social distancing and hand washing. What seems to be the case is that there are super spreaders that cause the bulk of the infections. Many people doing a reasonable job can be thwarted by the actions of a few spreaders.

[stereologist 24,214]

7 minutes ago, ian hacktorp said:

Lots of official information about covid has been "inflated":

In Final Act, Trump Admin To Present 'Bombshell' Findings Blaming Wuhan Lab For COVID-19, WHO Cover-Up

WEDNESDAY, JAN 13, 2021 - 16:20

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/final-act-trump-admin-present-bombshell-findings-blaming-wuhan-lab-covid-19-who-cover

More trash from the filthy discredited site.

Trump, the loser, isn't going to make any big claims. He's a screw up. And if he did make an announcement who is going to believe that VD spewer? He is the source of nonsense, lies, and garbage.

Does anyone believe that this China hater president was keeping something for a final salvo?

 

[glorybebe 8,559]

In actuality,  I am of the opinion that the number of people infected with Covid is higher than statistics state due to how many of us were sick 'because it wasn't in the country' in November and December of 2019, January and February of 2020.  The number of people with an unknown virus or pneumonia in our hospitals back then was way higher than other years. But, that is my area, not sure how serious other areas were taking it.

[TigerBright19 1,882]

38 minutes ago, stereologist said:

No. There is more than one reason for this. Not everyone wears a mask. And lock downs are not always as tight as some speculate. There is also lag time. It takes a while from infection to the expression of symptoms. Health measures include social distancing and hand washing. What seems to be the case is that there are super spreaders that cause the bulk of the infections. Many people doing a reasonable job can be thwarted by the actions of a few spreaders.

But surely that would have happened at the beginning when there were few rules in place and the virus would have swept through rapidly, yet the daily death count (pre lockdown) was lower than it is now in full lockdown.  Shouldn't the lockdown result in less cases?  In the UK the police are constantly on patrol and enforcing the rules which are now a legal requirement.  In the summer the rules were relaxed almost entirely and I saw this crowd at the beach in July.  Happy days when Covid cases were at its lowest point.  In November they went back up and we went into lockdown again.

UK Daily covid deaths

April 2020 - 800+ each day

July 2020. - 10+ each day

Jan 2021 - 1,000+ each day

 

Summer of 2020.

  

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 07:30 PM by TigerBright19

[Rolci 310]

1 hour ago, Obviousman said:

Don't forget there are mutated strains which are more contagious. I think the OP has a skewed view because they come from New Zealand (according to their profile). NZ, like Australia, took pretty effective action at the beginning and as such we have been spared the brunt of the disease. For example, in Australia, we have had some 875 people die from COVID. Since we don't have hospital systems collapsing under the strain, no mass morgues required and - most importantly - life hasn't been too severely affected, it easy for some people to think it doesn't exist because they have not personally been affected by it.

Like I already said in my opening post, I have been diagnosed with covid, as in a positive test. Read again more carefully.

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1 hour ago, TigerBright19 said:

875 people in total?  We get over 1,000 deaths every day in Britain and we are in full lockdown.  At this rate we probably won't get back to normal until the Summer.

 

Don't forget that in the southern hemisphere it is already summer!

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 07:48 PM by Rolci