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Eldorado

"The situation is the most serious that it's been since the start of the pandemic in Ireland."

Those are not my words. They are the words of Dr Gabrielle Colleran, vice president of the Irish Hospital Consultants Association.

In the space of six weeks, the country has gone from having the lowest COVID infection rate in the EU to having the highest infection rate in the world.

Full Sky news story at MSN: Link

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Space Commander Travis

Every nation in the world seems to be falling over each other to have the highest infection rate in the world. It's hard to think of a European or SouthAmerican country that hasn't claimed to have. One common factor with nearly all of them is that they're all very keen on the Lockdown and suppressing the rights of their citizens. Some, if people still cared about the actual art of statistics rather than scary and meaningless Covi test rates, might be tempted to look at this and think "Lockdown and Rates of infection. Is there a correlation here?" and they might almost be tempted to draw the heretical conclusion that no, there isn't, and that Lockdowns make no difference whatsoever to rates of infection. Or alternatively they might simply not be so fanatically obsessive about testing! testing! testing! and simply concentrate on those who have symptoms that warrant seeking medical assistance. The rate of Covinfections would plummet, i can assure you. 

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1 hour ago, Space Commander Travis said:

Every nation in the world seems to be falling over each other to have the highest infection rate in the world. It's hard to think of a European or SouthAmerican country that hasn't claimed to have. One common factor with nearly all of them is that they're all very keen on the Lockdown and suppressing the rights of their citizens. Some, if people still cared about the actual art of statistics rather than scary and meaningless Covi test rates, might be tempted to look at this and think "Lockdown and Rates of infection. Is there a correlation here?" and they might almost be tempted to draw the heretical conclusion that no, there isn't, and that Lockdowns make no difference whatsoever to rates of infection. Or alternatively they might simply not be so fanatically obsessive about testing! testing! testing! and simply concentrate on those who have symptoms that warrant seeking medical assistance. The rate of Covinfections would plummet, i can assure you. 

You are suggesting that removing all lockdown measures and completely ignoring asymptomatic cases will result in a major reduction in cases... how ?

Which statistics are you looking at that suggest lockdowns don't reduce rates of infection ?

Which countries are 'competing' to have the highest infection rate ?

I don't think you've said a single thing in this post that's accurate or that makes any sense whatsoever.

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stevewinn

terrible situation in Ireland and their health service is not the best, ranked 21st out of 27 in the EU.

Time lost as seemingly the EUs vaccination scheme has failed to provide adequate amounts of vaccine for the member states, which is why Germany made additional orders outside of the joint scheme. (behind the backs of all the other members, that's unity on display right there for you)

Covid as the real potential to become a political crisis in EU, reason being that the delay with Pfizer vaccine will become political is because people in the EU countries will be looking at the rest of the world as we continue to vaccinate people while their vaccination schemes start to slow down or grind to a halt as they don't have enough vaccines to continue without regular deliveries.

RoI : 77,000 vaccinated
Northern Ireland : 115,000 vaccinated.

Every adult in NI will have been fully vaccinated while RoI is still vaccinating its most vulnerable. Unless something magical happens, ROI will still be vaccinating its population in a years time.

but at least they will be showing true EU solidarity.

 

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Ozymandias
2 hours ago, Eldorado said:

"The situation is the most serious that it's been since the start of the pandemic in Ireland."

Those are not my words. They are the words of Dr Gabrielle Colleran, vice president of the Irish Hospital Consultants Association.

In the space of six weeks, the country has gone from having the lowest COVID infection rate in the EU to having the highest infection rate in the world.

Full Sky news story at MSN: Link

Yes, unfortunately. Three factors precipitated the crisis . First, we lifted our lockdown restrictions a few weeks before Christmas. It is a time when we socialise more generally and particularly inter-generationally. Secondly, at the same time we have an open border with Northern Ireland where the infection rate was one of the highest in Europe and thousands of people were crossing it every day and the two jurisdictions were not in harmony in their measures to combat the spread of the disease. And, thirdly, what further exacerbated the situation was the tens of thousands of our citizens who live and work abroad, especially in Britain, who returned for Christmas.

We will have to work hard to get it back under control before our hospitals are completely over-run like some were in Northern Ireland where Covid patients were being treated in ambulances outside hospital buildings a week ago.    

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Ozymandias
2 hours ago, stevewinn said:

terrible situation in Ireland and their health service is not the best, ranked 21st out of 27 in the EU.

Depends on the criteria used to make the measure and also depends on who you ask. We are better than the UK on some league tables. 

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Time lost as seemingly the EUs vaccination scheme has failed to provide adequate amounts of vaccine for the member states, which is why Germany made additional orders outside of the joint scheme. (behind the backs of all the other members, that's unity on display right there for you)

As usual, instead of educating yourself about the facts you prefer to recycle the hysterical garbage put out by the jingoistic Express and other nationalistic UK 'newspapers'. Germany has not done anything that any other EU country is at liberty to do if it chooses. We all agreed how to proceed as a bloc. Outside of that agreement we are all free to buy additional vaccines if we wish. The issue of supply is all a matter of logistics. Only a limited number of manufacturing facilities are producing vaccines for the 500 million Europeans. Ireland will get its pro rata percentage share like ever other EU country will. Britain has decided to go it alone and, on this issue, because it is not bound to any group agreement, is better able to look after itself . I hope it always stays like that. :)

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Covid as the real potential to become a political crisis in EU, reason being that the delay with Pfizer vaccine will become political is because people in the EU countries will be looking at the rest of the world as we continue to vaccinate people while their vaccination schemes start to slow down or grind to a halt as they don't have enough vaccines to continue without regular deliveries.

 You wish! This is only about the logistics of manufacture and distribution, and your desired spin on it. Nothing to do with politics and self-interest. Despite you and other Brexiteers wanting desperately and always to characterise the EU as divided against itself and ready to implode, it has remained solidly unified, and for good reason - united we stand, divided we fall.

Whether you like it or not - whether you accept it or not - we are all in this together. Everything now is global. If you want to be on your own, you can sink or swim on your own. The UK has taken a retrograde step which might convince those who are more emotionally invested in Brexit to be optimistic about it, but time will tell a different story. The majority of well-informed or expert opinion in Britain and elsewhere takes a more objective view. Although they may argue over the exact figures, their consensus and general outlook is negative, not positive. 

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stevewinn
34 minutes ago, Ozymandias said:

As usual, instead of educating yourself about the facts you prefer to recycle the hysterical garbage put out by the jingoistic Express and other nationalistic UK 'newspapers'. Germany has not done anything that any other EU country is at liberty to do if it chooses. We all agreed how to proceed as a bloc. Outside of that agreement we are all free to buy additional vaccines if we wish.

Do not worry UK parliment debating once we've finished vaccinating - and Ireland thanks to the EU will still be vaccinating for a further 12 months, us British offering Ireland our spare vaccine. i hope we do, stepping in where the eu as failed. just hope they stick a MASSIVE union jack on the box, leaving you in no doubt where its come from.

But to reply to your post.

So Germany done nothing wrong in ordering its own vaccine, and any EU members is able to negotiate and purchase its own vaccines. oh really.

educate myself, it seems memo hasn't reached Ireland. Do you even know what's going on, what their doing and failing on your behalf.

Reuters will suffice i guess. quoting your unelected President Ursula Von der Leyen. 

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Ozymandias
46 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Every adult in NI will have been fully vaccinated while RoI is still vaccinating its most vulnerable. Unless something magical happens, ROI will still be vaccinating its population in a years time

A year, you say!? Look, the UK started its vaccine programme the first week of December and in one month has vaccinated 3 million out of a population of 65 million. At that rate you will still be vaccinating your people in 21 months time. 

46 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Do not worry UK parliment debating once we've finished vaccinating - and Ireland thanks to the EU will still be vaccinating for a further 12 months, us British offering Ireland our spare vaccine. i hope we do, stepping in where the eu as failed. just hope they stick a MASSIVE union jack on the box, leaving you in no doubt where its come from.

I have to say you disgust me. If this were to happen, I have no doubt Ireland would appreciate it, and say so graciously. But I also think that if the boot was on the other foot, we would not be so righteously chauvinistic .  

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But to reply to your post.

So Germany done nothing wrong in ordering its own vaccine, and any EU members is able to negotiate and purchase its own vaccines. oh really.

educate myself, it seems memo hasn't reached Ireland. Do you even know what's going on, what their doing and failing on your behalf.

Reuters will suffice i guess. quoting your unelected President Ursula Von der Leyen. 

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Maybe so but you left out the very next sentence in this Reuters quote of her comment:

The whole portfolio covers 2.3 billion doses of vaccines so this is more than enough to vaccinate the whole European population,” she said.

This makes any need to go outside the EU bloc-purchase agreement redundant. And, as I said, the problem is only a logistical one. As the vaccine is manufactured and distributed around the EU on a strictly pro rata percentage basis, then each country has to prioritise who gets it first and why. It is obvious that 500 million people cannot be vaccinated all at once. It will take time to make, distribute and vaccinate everybody. 

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9 minutes ago, Ozymandias said:

A year, you say!? Look, the UK started its vaccine programme the first week of December and in one month has vaccinated 3 million out of a population of 65 million. At that rate you will still be vaccinating your people in 21 months time. 

I have to say you disgust me. If this were to happen, I have no doubt Ireland would appreciate it, and say so graciously. But I also think that if the boot was on the other foot, we would not be so righteously chauvinistic .  

Maybe so but you left out the very next sentence in this Reuters quote of her comment:

The whole portfolio covers 2.3 billion doses of vaccines so this is more than enough to vaccinate the whole European population,” she said.

This makes any need to go outside the EU bloc-purchase agreement redundant. And, as I said, the problem is only a logistical one. As the vaccine is manufactured and distributed around the EU on a strictly pro rata percentage basis, then each country has to prioritise who gets it first and why. It is obvious that 500 million people cannot be vaccinated all at once. It will take time to make, distribute and vaccinate everybody. 

So having educated yourself, oh the irony, Members cannot negotiate/order their own vaccine. as i told you. no need to hold your hands up and admit you was wrong.

The EU now faces a delay in vaccinating because they pursued 'one europe' and the news as got worse in that, the vaccine the eu finally chose is now going to be in limited supply. slowing down or grinding to a half the eu vaccination program.

But lets put meat on the bone,  lets get events straight, The EU wanted to display 'one europe' pinned all their hopes on the French vaccine. - when rumours of problems with  manufacturing of the French vaccine started appearing and delays of up to a year - over at the reichstag deep in the bunker, frau Merkel met with her confidants looked at the situation and thought there's going to be a mad scramble for one billion doses as EU members try and secure their own vaccine - and Germany wanted 160million for itself, so it was decided in order for Germany to buy time Germany would propose eu members should stick together and hand over responsibility of negotiating and acquiring the vaccine to the EU, - all the members agreed, yippee, 'one europe' 'united together' yippee. they all went, except for the irish who went diddly dee, while the eu got started on the lengthy process of putting together a team, a plan, a committee for acquiring the vaccine such is the massive eu bureaucratic machine, Germany knew it had bought time it needed and went behind the backs of their fellow eu members and ordered its own vaccine - before the eu had even got its coat on.

we've seen above, eu members cannot negotiate their own vaccine deals except for Germany. All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others, four legs good, two legs bad. until you look through the farm house window. i suggest you do just that....................

massive inquiry needed.

 

 

 

 

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Helen of Annoy
16 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

 

 

So having educated yourself, oh the irony, Members cannot negotiate/order their own vaccine. as i told you. no need to hold your hands up and admit you was wrong.

 

As Ozymandias just told you, it's redundant to negotiate purchase of the same vaccine both by single countries and the EU. 

You misunderstood von der Leyen's (quite logical) statement. EU countries can (and Hungary for example already did) buy vaccines that were not purchased within EU vaccination project.   

I didn't read the rest of your post. Instead, I just counted how many times you wrote "Germany" - 5 times. Interesting :lol: Now I know whom you miss the most since Brexit :lol:   

 

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stevewinn
5 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

As Ozymandias just told you, it's redundant to negotiate purchase of the same vaccine both by single countries and the EU. 

You misunderstood von der Leyen's (quite logical) statement. EU countries can (and Hungary for example already did) buy vaccines that were not purchased within EU vaccination project.   

I didn't read the rest of your post. Instead, I just counted how many times you wrote "Germany" - 5 times. Interesting :lol: Now I know whom you miss the most since Brexit :lol:   

 

Nice attempt to rally support for Ozzy, but in doing so it makes not only him wrong but you also. - and you certainly did read all my post, thank you.

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Helen of Annoy
26 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Nice attempt to rally support for Ozzy, but in doing so it makes not only him wrong but you also. - and you certainly did read all my post, thank you.

To be honest, I'll rather be wrong together with kind and decent people, than right together with... those who are not kind. 

But this time Ozy's also right and you're wrong. Double negotiations would be redundant, that's the obvious and only real meaning of von der Leyen's statement. Your misinterpretation is both wrong and malicious. Orban can and did buy some Russian vaccine on top of EU plan. 

 

More strictly on topic, my country had the highest infection rate in EU a while ago. It started with tourist season and peaked recently. Which is why we had another lockdown, extremely unpopular, of course. At least we had rather hilarious public arguments which included very scientific questions, such as how can a virus know if it's in a bar (closed) or in a church (allowed to stay open, with distancing rules followed).

New infections numbers dropped down, deaths too, government is thinking about relaxing the lockdown rules.

Lockdowns work, but we also had an earthquake in the meantime, so everyone was expecting new increase in new infections. It didn't happen. Probably because the lockdown curbed the spread of the virus and anti-epidemic measures were followed even during the emergency situation. 

So I hope the damn virus is peaking in Ireland right now and the numbers will start dropping there too, soon.  

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stevewinn
5 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

To be honest, I'll rather be wrong together with kind and decent people, than right together with... those who are not kind. 

But this time Ozy's also right and you're wrong. Double negotiations would be redundant, that's the obvious and only real meaning of von der Leyen's statement. Your misinterpretation is both wrong and malicious. Orban can and did buy some Russian vaccine on top of EU plan. 

 

More strictly on topic, my country had the highest infection rate in EU a while ago. It started with tourist season and peaked recently. Which is why we had another lockdown, extremely unpopular, of course. At least we had rather hilarious public arguments which included very scientific questions, such as how can a virus know if it's in a bar (closed) or in a church (allowed to stay open, with distancing rules followed).

New infections numbers dropped down, deaths too, government is thinking about relaxing the lockdown rules.

Lockdowns work, but we also had an earthquake in the meantime, so everyone was expecting new increase in new infections. It didn't happen. Probably because the lockdown curbed the spread of the virus and anti-epidemic measures were followed even during the emergency situation. 

So I hope the damn virus is peaking in Ireland right now and the numbers will start dropping there too, soon.  

has long as your happy to be wrong and admit being wrong. then we can dismiss the rest of your post and have.

but to reiterate eu members are forbidden from negotiate their own vaccine deals. which has led to delays.

UK population vaccinated 5.6% of the population.

  • United Kingdom 5.6%
  • France 0.6%.
  • Germany, 1.2%.
  • Spain 1.6%
  • Portugal 1%
  • Italy 1.7%
  • Croatia. 1%.
  • Republic of Ireland 1.6%
  • British territory Northern Ireland. 7.1%

The eu gambling with the lives in member countries, delaying vaccination, all in a bid to support 'one europe' France the only UN permanent member not to developed a vaccine. - eu shambles eu delayed in passing the vaccine followed by a delay in ordering the vaccine and now delays in manufacturing of the vaccine. 3 to 4 week delay. 

meanwhile, little, insignificant Britain, who cant survive because they've left the EU, secured 367 million doses from 7 vaccine developers with 4 different vaccine types. The UK was the first country in the world to buy the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, ordering 40 million doses – enough for a third of the UK population – the first to authorise it and the first to begin vaccinating people with it. The UK was also the first country in the world to buy, authorise and provide the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. UK on course to vaccinate 2million people a week. all first doses delivered by end of June. all doses by autumn. 

If this is how Brexit Britain performs outside the eu, my god, what cant we achieve.

 

 

 

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Helen of Annoy
14 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

 

If this is how Brexit Britain performs outside the eu, my god, what cant we achieve.

 

 

 

Being considered honest?

 

Remember how you harped about "good old vitamin D" and herd immunity few months ago? I do.

Now you're into spreading propaganda about some imaginary vaccine crisis in the EU, so you can claim Brexit saved your from vaccine shortage or something. 

 

By the way, if are you going to keep determining Brexit success by imaginary shortages in the EU, you might encounter an interesting problem: people might laugh at you. 

  

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stevewinn
7 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Being considered honest?

 

Remember how you harped about "good old vitamin D" and herd immunity few months ago? I do.

Now you're into spreading propaganda about some imaginary vaccine crisis in the EU, so you can claim Brexit saved your from vaccine shortage or something. 

 

By the way, if are you going to keep determining Brexit success by imaginary shortages in the EU, you might encounter an interesting problem: people might laugh at you. 

  

facts dear Helen facts.

but for months the UK as been measured against the eu by remainers, even years,  on how we wont be able to exist outside the eu, doing pretty well in comparison.

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stevewinn

A shortage of vaccines already in short supply -  Isn’t the EU vaccine programme a great thing.


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But even back in December. it was forewarned.

 

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back to the Republic of Ireland;

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If only eu members could negotiate and buy their own vaccine. save lives and get out of this pandemic sooner.,

meanwhile,

A British facility, this facility, construction of which was apparently fast tracked by the Govt earlier this year, and which is scheduled to open later this year, is designed to make the UK self-sufficient in vaccine production.

 

 

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