Lab Leak Conspiracy is Becoming Mainstream?

[+OverSword]

6 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Do you suppose there are? 

Yes, I do.  I also don't think that big pharma engages in Gain of Function research as vaccines aren't the big money makers that boner pills or cancer cures are.  There is no money developing cures for non-existent diseases.

Edited March 21, 2022 by OverSword

[Tatetopa]

2 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Yes, I do.  I also don't think that big pharma engages in Gain of Function research as vaccines aren't the big money makers that boner pills or cancer cures are.  There is no money developing cures for non-existent diseases.

Your point is hard to dismiss, but if you feel that way for twelve hours or more , consult a physician.  There is big money in cancer treatment, not cancer cures though.

There is no money in developing a cure until there is a disease, or until you predict with certainty that there will be.  Then you have a big time advantage on anybody caught flatfooted.

[+OverSword]

Just now, Tatetopa said:

Your point is hard to dismiss, but if you feel that way for twelve hours or more , consult a physician.  There is big money in cancer treatment, not cancer cures though.

There is no money in developing a cure until there is a disease, or until you predict with certainty that there will be.  Then you have a big time advantage on anybody caught flatfooted.

If you can find one instance of gain of function research fulfilling it's purpose of creating a vaccine ahead of a disease jumping species to humans I'll give you a dollar.

[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, OverSword said:

If you can find one instance of gain of function research fulfilling it's purpose of creating a vaccine ahead of a disease jumping species to humans I'll give you a dollar.

That is rather cheap.  Normally industrial espionage and hacking done well is worth millions of dollars.  Its going to take some work. I doubt we will find any clues sitting on an obscure website on the internet.

For $100k retainer and $3 mill if I find results, I will undertake this mission.  No guarantees, but if I find out Viagra is an antidote for chemicals  the drug companies pay to put in Denny's breakfasts and Old Country Buffets, I'll give you that at no extra charge.

[+OverSword]

20 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

That is rather cheap.  Normally industrial espionage and hacking done well is worth millions of dollars.  Its going to take some work. I doubt we will find any clues sitting on an obscure website on the internet.

For $100k retainer and $3 mill if I find results, I will undertake this mission.  No guarantees, but if I find out Viagra is an antidote for chemicals  the drug companies pay to put in Denny's breakfasts and Old Country Buffets, I'll give you that at no extra charge.

Well I was just watching an interview on Rising where where at one point the interviewee says that scientists question if GOF research has ever paid off in this aspect. 

Here it is.  The interviewee here does a pretty level job at representing middle of road answers despite a couple of attempts at getting her to be a little more sensationalistic. 

 

[+and-then]

On 3/20/2022 at 11:23 AM, stereologist said:

I liked most of your post but am unclear what this refers to: "using that lab to do experimentation that is illegal here"

https://www.phe.gov/s3/dualuse/Documents/gain-of-function.pdf

This source speaks of "pausing" GOF research so I'm incorrect about the issue being that it is "illegal".  I was making that assumption in error and I cannot find proof that the U.S. government programs had been outlawed.  The bottom line is the research is very dangerous and at the time the pandemic began we were funding these efforts outside the U.S.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/06/29/1027290/gain-of-function-risky-bat-virus-engineering-links-america-to-wuhan/

Anytime a novel virus with high pathogenicity to humans is toyed with and made even more capable in a lab, there is an extreme danger of accidently introducing it into the environment.  Imagine C-19 having an R0 of 10 or 20 and a CFR of 50% or higher.  Some of the bugs they were / are playing with in Wuhan are capable of causing catastrophic losses around the planet if they escaped.  

[+and-then]

On 3/18/2022 at 11:12 AM, stereologist said:

Actually evidence changes my mind and so far you've posted nothing but idle speculation.

I don't believe there is ANY information that would serve to change your mind on this topic.  No harm, no foul, but it doesn't mean you are correct, just that you've stopped looking at other possibilities.  Good luck with the next one that "escapes accidently".

[jmccr8]

I know this is just wiki but here is a list of lab virus outbreaks for the last 120 years and it would seem that in most cases it was contained to one individual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laboratory_biosecurity_incidents

For a general overview of laboratory hazards, see Laboratory safety.

"Lab leak" redirects here. For the theory about the origins of COVID-19, see COVID-19 lab leak theory.

This list of laboratory biosecurity incidents includes accidental laboratory-acquired infections and laboratory releases of lethal pathogens, containment failures in or during transport of lethal pathogens, and incidents of exposure of lethal pathogens to laboratory personnel, improper disposal of contaminated waste, and/or the escape of laboratory animals. The list is grouped by the year in which the accident or incident occurred and does not include every reported laboratory-acquired infection.

This is a dynamic list and may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by adding missing items with reliable sources.

[+Desertrat56]

On 3/20/2022 at 10:23 AM, stereologist said:

I liked most of your post but am unclear what this refers to: "using that lab to do experimentation that is illegal here"

Like my sister-in-law he probably believed some story that Fuaci hired that lab to create the virus because it is illegal to create virus' in the U.S.   So messed up, scrambled and confused thinking, but normal for right wing nutters who believe everything Fox News says.

[Hawken]

[+OverSword]

 

[Trelane]

3 hours ago, OverSword said:

 

Got a quick synopsis of the video? i don't like clicking on videos with no context.

[+OverSword]

7 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Got a quick synopsis of the video? i don't like clicking on videos with no context.

It’s about what the thread is about

[Trelane]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

It’s about what the thread is about

Ok then.