simplybill Posted July 3, 2022 #151 Share Posted July 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Agent0range said: I mean, it's not a debate. You said you liked his policies...I asked which ones? If you like them so much, you should be able to say which ones. If you are just saying words, and don't really know if there are any policies, just man up and say it. Sorry, but no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted July 3, 2022 #152 Share Posted July 3, 2022 29 minutes ago, simplybill said: Sorry, but no. You could cheat off me. I listed three specific Trump acheivements - more than anyone else (I think) - including the a business friendly one. Yet I'm labelled a Trump Hater with TDS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplybill Posted July 3, 2022 #153 Share Posted July 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: You could cheat off me. I listed three specific Trump acheivements - more than anyone else (I think) - including the a business friendly one. Yet I'm labelled a Trump Hater with TDS. Thank you for the offer, but my Covid brain fog has rendered me almost useless tonight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted July 4, 2022 #154 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Did anybody list his border wall? How does the wall affect private property? There are 4900 parcels of private land that come within 500 feet of the border. Most will have to be seized by the government in order to build the wall. About 300 condemnation cases have been brought against private landowners. One was settled for a $100 lease easement. Another cost the government $5,000,000 for six acres. Most have not yet come to trial. It will take decades to settle these cases. Land condemnation is expected to run about $2 billion. Is this really what conservatives want? About 650 miles of the 2000 mile border is fenced. 1350 miles remain open. Of the 650 miles, half is designed to stop vehicles, not people. Portions of the border run through desert, hundreds of miles from the nearest city. To build the wall, support roads will have to be built first. Trump's wall-building ambitions keep shrinking. Initially he wanted to fence the entire border, but then decided to fence only 1000 miles of it. Then he chaned his mind again and decided to fence only 700 miles. Human smugglers have said that a wall won't stop illegal crossings, but will allow them to charge more for getting people across. The jaguar will go extinct on the American side of the border if a wall cuts off access to females. Border crossings are at an all-time high. The portion of the wall that was finished isn't even slowing them down. Doug https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrants-are-falling-trumps-30-foot-steel-border-wall-us-breaking-legs-rcna33301 https://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted July 4, 2022 #155 Share Posted July 4, 2022 I'm sorry, the best thing he did was lose the second election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted July 4, 2022 #156 Share Posted July 4, 2022 The question is like asking, What is your favorite Led Zeppelin song. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted July 4, 2022 #157 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Just now, joc said: The question is like asking, What is your favorite Led Zeppelin song. And everyone answers, "Stairway to Heaven". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted July 4, 2022 #158 Share Posted July 4, 2022 13 minutes ago, Likely Guy said: And everyone answers, "Stairway to Heaven". Actually my fav LZ song is No Quarter...but I digress... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted July 4, 2022 #159 Share Posted July 4, 2022 1 minute ago, joc said: Actually my fav LZ song is No Quarter...but I digress... Of course you do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted July 4, 2022 #160 Share Posted July 4, 2022 I was always fond of the Immigrant Song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted July 5, 2022 #161 Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) On 7/3/2022 at 8:14 PM, Doug1066 said: Did anybody list his border wall? How does the wall affect private property? There are 4900 parcels of private land that come within 500 feet of the border. Most will have to be seized by the government in order to build the wall. About 300 condemnation cases have been brought against private landowners. One was settled for a $100 lease easement. Another cost the government $5,000,000 for six acres. Most have not yet come to trial. It will take decades to settle these cases. Land condemnation is expected to run about $2 billion. Is this really what conservatives want? About 650 miles of the 2000 mile border is fenced. 1350 miles remain open. Of the 650 miles, half is designed to stop vehicles, not people. Portions of the border run through desert, hundreds of miles from the nearest city. To build the wall, support roads will have to be built first. Trump's wall-building ambitions keep shrinking. Initially he wanted to fence the entire border, but then decided to fence only 1000 miles of it. Then he chaned his mind again and decided to fence only 700 miles. Human smugglers have said that a wall won't stop illegal crossings, but will allow them to charge more for getting people across. The jaguar will go extinct on the American side of the border if a wall cuts off access to females. Border crossings are at an all-time high. The portion of the wall that was finished isn't even slowing them down. Doug https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrants-are-falling-trumps-30-foot-steel-border-wall-us-breaking-legs-rcna33301 https://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/ Just ask the people in south texas what they think of Pete Sessions 8 mile long border wall from the gulf west for 8 miles along the rio grande river, which is considered the actual border. There are laws about how close you can build to a river and since the wall was on our side, our people lost the use of their land. There is a country club that ended up on the wrong side of that wall. You make a very good point about the private property and how the owners will loose their property to a stupid wall that won't make any difference except to the contractors bank accounts who get to build it. That was how Pete Sessions paid back people who gave him money for his campaigns. Edited July 5, 2022 by Desertrat56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted July 5, 2022 #162 Share Posted July 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Desertrat56 said: Just ask the people in south texas what they think of Pete Sessions 8 mile long border wall from the gulf west for 8 miles along the rio grande river, which is considered the actual border. There are laws about how close you can build to a river and since the wall was on our side, our people lost the use of their land. There is a country club that ended up on the wrong side of that wall. You make a very good point about the private property and how the owners will loose their property to a stupid wall that won't make any difference except to the contractors bank accounts who get to build it. That was how Pete Sessions paid back people who gave him money for his campaigns. And so far, Mexico has not contributed a nickel. Doug 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted July 5, 2022 #163 Share Posted July 5, 2022 29 minutes ago, Doug1066 said: And so far, Mexico has not contributed a nickel. Doug Nor has it resolved any immigration issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted July 5, 2022 #164 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Just now, Desertrat56 said: Nor has it resolved any immigration issues. It's better for Mexico's economy to send workers to the US, who then send money home. Doug 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted July 16, 2022 #165 Share Posted July 16, 2022 On 7/3/2022 at 7:14 PM, Doug1066 said: Did anybody list his border wall? How does the wall affect private property? There are 4900 parcels of private land that come within 500 feet of the border. Most will have to be seized by the government in order to build the wall. About 300 condemnation cases have been brought against private landowners. One was settled for a $100 lease easement. Another cost the government $5,000,000 for six acres. Most have not yet come to trial. It will take decades to settle these cases. Land condemnation is expected to run about $2 billion. Is this really what conservatives want? About 650 miles of the 2000 mile border is fenced. 1350 miles remain open. Of the 650 miles, half is designed to stop vehicles, not people. Portions of the border run through desert, hundreds of miles from the nearest city. To build the wall, support roads will have to be built first. Trump's wall-building ambitions keep shrinking. Initially he wanted to fence the entire border, but then decided to fence only 1000 miles of it. Then he chaned his mind again and decided to fence only 700 miles. Human smugglers have said that a wall won't stop illegal crossings, but will allow them to charge more for getting people across. The jaguar will go extinct on the American side of the border if a wall cuts off access to females. Border crossings are at an all-time high. The portion of the wall that was finished isn't even slowing them down. Doug https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/migrants-are-falling-trumps-30-foot-steel-border-wall-us-breaking-legs-rcna33301 https://www.usatoday.com/border-wall/ Trump re-fenced 450+ miles of existing much simpler fencing. He'd have done more, but struggled with Congress refusing him over it repeatedly. And liberal organizations suing him over it. Myself, I kind of feel about it like I do about the Build Back Better. Since it's not going to happen... we can't know if it was going to work as advertised. The Border Patrol seemed all in favor, but butterfly naturalists, and those who profit off the Latin vote, were against. I'd gladly pay 2 billion dollars, or the whole 30 billion, to get a contiguous and protected border, such as every nation has, if it so desires. https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-07/how-much-of-president-donald-trumps-border-wall-was-built Quote The vast majority of the 458 miles were constructed in places where some kind of barrier already existed, but most of the preexisting structures were far less imposing than the new wall and included fencing and rudimentary technical barriers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted July 16, 2022 #166 Share Posted July 16, 2022 I was happy that he was attempting to help stop the flow across the southern border. biden hasn't done anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted July 16, 2022 #167 Share Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Myles said: stop the flow across the southern border. biden hasn't done anything. Yes he did! He put Harris right on it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted July 16, 2022 #168 Share Posted July 16, 2022 4 hours ago, DieChecker said: Trump re-fenced 450+ miles of existing much simpler fencing. That was an upgrade already scheduled under Obama. Trump liked to take credit for other people's work. Of course, that's a common failing of politicians. Doug 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted July 17, 2022 #169 Share Posted July 17, 2022 7 hours ago, Doug1066 said: That was an upgrade already scheduled under Obama. Trump liked to take credit for other people's work. Of course, that's a common failing of politicians. Doug If it was scheduled, why did Trump take such a hit for it, and why wasn't the work completed by Joe? Oh, yeah... politics... Democrats... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted July 17, 2022 #170 Share Posted July 17, 2022 11 hours ago, DieChecker said: If it was scheduled, why did Trump take such a hit for it, and why wasn't the work completed by Joe? Oh, yeah... politics... Democrats... No. It takes time to get any big project up and running. Logistics, etc. Trump took the hit because he made such an issue of it. People didn't realize it was already under way. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted July 17, 2022 #171 Share Posted July 17, 2022 21 hours ago, Myles said: I was happy that he was attempting to help stop the flow across the southern border. biden hasn't done anything. If that was truly the case that the borders were open and easy to cross, people would not die being smuggled in semi trailers. Covid helped more than either president to slow down border crossings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted July 17, 2022 #172 Share Posted July 17, 2022 I suppose the question depends on point of view: best for America, best for China, best for Russia, or best for NK? For the US, he made the treaty with the Taliban to get us out of Afghanistan. Biden was left to do it, but Trump's team couldn't have done better, Jared would have been in charge. Painful as it was, we are out of Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted July 17, 2022 #173 Share Posted July 17, 2022 Half of illegals just fly in and overstay their visas. Trump had his four years to show progress/solve the problem and he didn't- so he got fired. He could have done stuff like push for legislation changes on our asylum laws, but opted for a wall he couldn't complete and that didn't do anything to stop border crossings. (Not going to link the sawzall, cheap 5$ ladder, or people just plain climbing over again.) I mean, I guess you can say he set up hurdles that increased migrant death rate- if you see that as a plus. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knob Oddy Posted July 17, 2022 Author #174 Share Posted July 17, 2022 Does anyone see the irony that the border wall was "too expensive" to fund, yet congress has given 4 times that amount to Ukraine to "protect their borders"? Ukrainians deserve secure borders, but the USA doesn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted July 17, 2022 #175 Share Posted July 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Knob Oddy said: Does anyone see the irony that the border wall was "too expensive" to fund, yet congress has given 4 times that amount to Ukraine to "protect their borders"? Ukrainians deserve secure borders, but the USA doesn't? It's not too expensive, it's just a waste of money because it doesn't work. Texas could afford to build their own wall for instance, but instead just showboat their "Operation Lonestar" and give immigrants free (well Texas tax payer paid for) trips to DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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