+Desertrat56 Posted June 29, 2022 #101 Share Posted June 29, 2022 On 1/20/2021 at 2:47 PM, spartan max2 said: People will argue all day but I believe Trump's economics was truly beneifical for alot of people. None of them poor or middle class people who needed the help, of course. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted June 29, 2022 #102 Share Posted June 29, 2022 59 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said: 2024 is a looooong way away, and what can Trump do when gifted such a mess from this incompetent administration? Either ignore it and tell us about how big the crowds were at his latest rally or throw big macs at them and scream. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lying Posted June 29, 2022 Author #103 Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Gromdor said: I do! We support the Ukrainian people untill the Russians give up and go home (or Putin dies and they go home). Almost a clear definition of an "endless war". I wonder who could have predicted this mess? Oh that's right. Many people in this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lying Posted June 29, 2022 Author #104 Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Tatetopa said: Either ignore it and tell us about how big the crowds were at his latest rally or throw big macs at them and scream. My thoughts were more about how would Trump end this war without endangering world peace. Don't forget, he has been consistently anti-war for at least 30 years and was the only modern president to avoid war 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lying Posted June 29, 2022 Author #105 Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Desertrat56 said: None of them poor or middle class people who needed the help, of course. Just pointing out the record employment levels, especially for minorities, under the Trump administration. I think employment is one of the major factors of poverty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted June 29, 2022 #106 Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Knob Oddy said: My thoughts were more about how would Trump end this war without endangering world peace. Don't forget, he has been consistently anti-war for at least 30 years and was the only modern president to avoid war Very true, and I give him credit for that. But in this case, had he been president, he would have just given Ukraine to Putin to avoid war in his term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted June 29, 2022 #107 Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Knob Oddy said: My thoughts were more about how would Trump end this war without endangering world peace. Don't forget, he has been consistently anti-war for at least 30 years and was the only modern president to avoid war Well except for that, "My button is bigger than your button" thing with North Korea and the loosening of the rules of engagement in Afghanistan, or that whole killing of the Iranian general on Iraqi soil, etc. But I get your point. He was the one that abandoned the Kurds and made peace in Syria (Yay for Assad), started the peace deal with Taliban (Yay,for the Taliban), became BFF's with Kim Jun Un (Yay for North Korea). I am certain he would make eace with Russia by leaving NATO and giving Ukraine to Russia (Yay, for Putin). 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lying Posted June 29, 2022 Author #108 Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Tatetopa said: Very true, and I give him credit for that. But in this case, had he been president, he would have just given Ukraine to Putin to avoid war in his term. 1 hour ago, Gromdor said: I am certain he would make eace with Russia by leaving NATO and giving Ukraine to Russia (Yay, for Putin). Both of you are continuing the "Trump is a Putin puppet" or a "Russian agent" line. Serious question, why would Putin wait until Trump was out of office to invade Ukraine if this were true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted June 29, 2022 #109 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Just now, Knob Oddy said: Both of you are continuing the "Trump is a Putin puppet" or a "Russian agent" line. Serious question, why would Putin wait until Trump was out of office to invade Ukraine if this were true? Because Trump wasn't in office to just give it to him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lying Posted June 29, 2022 Author #110 Share Posted June 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gromdor said: Because Trump wasn't in office to just give it to him? What? You said Trump would have handed Putin Ukraine. What does the quoted post mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted June 29, 2022 #111 Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said: Both of you are continuing the "Trump is a Putin puppet" or a "Russian agent" line. Serious question, why would Putin wait until Trump was out of office to invade Ukraine if this were true? Aren't you one of the people claiming we shouldn't be giving weapons and shouldn't be involved with Ukraine in the other thread? What exactly do you think Trump would of done to stop Putin? Edited June 29, 2022 by spartan max2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lying Posted June 30, 2022 Author #112 Share Posted June 30, 2022 36 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: Aren't you one of the people claiming we shouldn't be giving weapons and shouldn't be involved with Ukraine in the other thread? What exactly do you think Trump would of done to stop Putin? Way to answer the question. Sorry, I mean, way to avoid the question as usual. To answer your question (in good faith as usual), yes I am one of those people who think arming Ukraine as if it were a Nato country is prolonging a war and leading to unnecessary deaths. In regards to what Trump would have done to prevent war, I suppose more of the same as he did when President Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted June 30, 2022 #113 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Knob Oddy said: Way to answer the question. Sorry, I mean, way to avoid the question as usual. To answer your question (in good faith as usual), yes I am one of those people who think arming Ukraine as if it were a Nato country is prolonging a war and leading to unnecessary deaths. In regards to what Trump would have done to prevent war, I suppose more of the same as he did when President Assasinate one of Putin's generals? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted June 30, 2022 #114 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Knob Oddy said: Way to answer the question. Sorry, I mean, way to avoid the question as usual. To answer your question (in good faith as usual), yes I am one of those people who think arming Ukraine as if it were a Nato country is prolonging a war and leading to unnecessary deaths. In regards to what Trump would have done to prevent war, I suppose more of the same as he did when President Which is what? Please tell me how you think Trump would of prevented the war in Ukraine? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lying Posted June 30, 2022 Author #115 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, Gromdor said: Assasinate one of Putin's generals? So he would both give Ukraine to Putin and then air strike one of Putins generals? Maybe, he was a wildcard after all, but you are sounding increasingly incoherent and contradictory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lying Posted June 30, 2022 Author #116 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, spartan max2 said: Which is what? Please tell me how you think Trump would of prevented the war in Ukraine? The one you quoted..... Also, look above. I have answered already what Trump would have done. He is a wildcard. Unpredictable. Not the sort of person you can mess with as you have no idea how he will react 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted June 30, 2022 #117 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Knob Oddy said: So he would both give Ukraine to Putin and then air strike one of Putins generals? Maybe, he was a wildcard after all, but you are sounding increasingly incoherent and contradictory Or just retelling things Trump has done in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplybill Posted June 30, 2022 #118 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Donald Trump’s business-friendly leadership created a ‘Worker’s Utopia’ that the Marxist/Communist/Socialist idealists will never be able to achieve, and he did it without murdering 100s of millions of citizens as the Marxists/Communists/Socialists did in their totalitarian failed attempts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted June 30, 2022 #119 Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said: The one you quoted..... Also, look above. I have answered already what Trump would have done. He is a wildcard. Unpredictable. Not the sort of person you can mess with as you have no idea how he will react I honestly can't tell if that's your genuine answer or if you're making a joke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted June 30, 2022 #120 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, simplybill said: Donald Trump’s business-friendly leadership created a ‘Worker’s Utopia’ that the Marxist/Communist/Socialist idealists will never be able to achieve, and he did it without murdering 100s of millions of citizens as the Marxists/Communists/Socialists did in their totalitarian failed attempts. What ae you talking about? Have you seen the unemployment numbers when he left office? Edited June 30, 2022 by Gromdor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lying Posted June 30, 2022 Author #121 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, spartan max2 said: I honestly can't tell if that's your genuine answer or if you're making a joke You think Trump was predictable? He was basically tweeting world leaders saying "mess around and find out". No one wanted to find out. Talking tough usually avoids conflicts. What Biden said: Quote news conference the previous day. On Wednesday, Biden had predicted Russia would invade Ukraine, but suggested there was a split among NATO members about how to respond if Moscow took action that stopped short of sending its troops across the border — something Biden referred to as a "minor incursion." He said: "I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do." https://www.npr.org/2022/01/20/1074466148/biden-russia-ukraine-minor-incursion But of course Trump was predictable, who didn't expect his Cofeve tweet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lying Posted June 30, 2022 Author #122 Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gromdor said: What ae you talking about? Have you seen the unemployment numbers when he left office? Post the graph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted June 30, 2022 #123 Share Posted June 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said: Post the graph Sure. Trump economic record: Worst jobs numbers leaving office since Herbert Hoover | Fortune 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted June 30, 2022 #124 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Knob Oddy said: You think Trump was predictable? He was basically tweeting world leaders saying "mess around and find out". No one wanted to find out. Talking tough usually avoids conflicts. What Biden said: https://www.npr.org/2022/01/20/1074466148/biden-russia-ukraine-minor-incursion But of course Trump was predictable, who didn't expect his Cofeve tweet? So you believe that Putin would not have invaded Ukriane because Trump would of said something "tough". Has Trump ever talked tough to Putin? Edit: Apparently CNN complied a list timeline of Trump puntin statements since 2013 to 2017. Old article https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/03/politics/trump-putin-russia-timeline/ Edited June 30, 2022 by spartan max2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplybill Posted June 30, 2022 #125 Share Posted June 30, 2022 34 minutes ago, Gromdor said: What ae you talking about? Have you seen the unemployment numbers when he left office? Yes, because a worldwide pandemic crippled the world’s economy. It was the ultimate Black Swan event. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/blackswan.asp 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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