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8 minutes ago, simplybill said:

Yes, because a worldwide pandemic crippled the world’s economy. It was the ultimate Black Swan event.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/blackswan.asp

I agree with you. The pandemic f'd the world economy.

But that's also why I find it ridiculous that some people blame Biden for the current world's economic situation.

The pandemics effects didn't magic go away once Biden went into office 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Gromdor said:

Yup. But it makes your statement false, regardless.  

I absolutely disagree. Donald Trump proved to the world that wealth can increase and can be shared without imposing unsustainable totalitarian ideologies.   

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6 minutes ago, simplybill said:

I absolutely disagree. Donald Trump proved to the world that wealth can increase and can be shared without imposing unsustainable totalitarian ideologies.   

Really? Pity he wasn't able to demonstrate it.  You probably think he could have stopped Putin from invading Ukraine too, right?

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4 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

You probably think he could have stopped Putin from invading Ukraine too, right?

That’s unknowable. But we know for certain that Biden didn’t stop Putin.
I’m not criticizing Biden, by the way. I’m not privy to all the facts concerning the invasion.

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2 hours ago, Knob Oddy said:

 

Both of you are continuing the "Trump is a Putin puppet" or a "Russian agent" line.

Serious question, why would Putin wait until Trump was out of office to invade Ukraine if this were true?

Serious answer, because Putin's window of opportunity was closing. 

If Trump had won a second term, he would have maintained his position that the Crimea and Donbass should go to Russia. and may have added the rest of Ukraine.  Trump had a beef with Zelenskyy since he did not launch a fake investigation into Biden at Trump's request.  Remember that "favor"?  During his first term, he sowed doubt in the US role in NATO, and our reliability as an ally. He was fracturing NATO either by design or ineptitude.  Things looked great for Putin's Russia.  

Then, shock of shocks, Biden got elected. I don't know how much Putin knew about Trump's post election plans, but destroying confidence in US elections seems right in Putin's wheelhouse.   Its even possible Putin offered Trump team advice on how to proceed. 

Biden started reaffirming the US role in NATO and reassured our allies we had not taken a powder.  He started sending serious aid to Ukraine.   I think Putin gave up on Trump's efforts to reclaim the White House in a short time frame.  Putin discovered that Trump was more idiot than useful.  He went back to his old plan of undermining American democracy.

He had to go ahead with his invasion plan and hope it was successful. He may have been surprised that his underlings were just as corrupt as he was and the Russian army was in pretty sad shape.

There is a lesson here for state leaders; if you select your administration not on competence but willingness to comply you can get caught off guard when your state encounters real world problems.  

Meantime his operatives did a pretty good job on the campaign of weakening confidence in Biden,  who is a pretty easy target.  It may pay off for him, but currently it looks like the world has turned against Russia.

 

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It is looking very much like the covid pandemic is not a black swan event but one that may become increasingly common.  A number of people were predicting it several years before it happened.  We had already had experience with SARS, Swine Flu, and other fast spreading infectious diseases as a warm up.  It was not a question of If, but when.  Maybe Obama did a little to prepare, but not the Trump administration until it was upon us.  Black Swan events are not that predictable.  Just because we choose not to listen does not mean the warnings were not there.

https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-seemingly-predicted-the-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-3

Bill Gates has been warning of a global health threat for years. Here are 12 people who seemingly predicted the coronavirus pandemic.

Bill Gates has previously said the world needs to prepare for a pandemic the way it prepares for war.  Arnd Wiegmann/Reuters

 

  • Gates, flu and disease experts, and government officials have been warning of a pandemic for years.
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10 hours ago, Knob Oddy said:

Does anyone know Bidens plan to end the Ukriane war?

2024 is a looooong way away, and what can Trump do when gifted such a mess from this incompetent administration?

Hi Knob

Why would he need a plan to end someone else's war, he made a commitment with a majority approval to support the Ukraine.

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7 hours ago, Knob Oddy said:

My thoughts were more about how would Trump end this war without endangering world peace.

Don't forget, he has been consistently anti-war for at least 30 years and was the only modern president to avoid war

Hi Knob

Trump never started or ended a war so anything he might have done is speculation, he set up AFGHANISTAN TO FAIL IF HE WASN'T VOTED IN. 

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34 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Knob

Trump never started or ended a war so anything he might have done is speculation, he set up AFGHANISTAN TO FAIL IF HE WASN'T VOTED IN. 

Yes and if you recall, he wanted to recall all US troops from everywhere until the joint chiefs intervened.

In spite of those who say otherwise, he is very predictable.  He can be led or pushed by his ego, and it may be surprising for some people,  but he has no moral guardrails and or concern for the welfare of anyone but himself.  

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hI Tate

Yes that is what I have gleen from decades of his exploits, he has been successful because of who he knows not unlike Epstein and uses people in the same manner, disposable or useful.

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9 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

I agree with you. The pandemic f'd the world economy.

But that's also why I find it ridiculous that some people blame Biden for the current world's economic situation.

The pandemics effects didn't magic go away once Biden went into office 

 

 

I think the blame comes two fold. #1 he isn’t doing anything about it but pointing fingers. And #2 Has activity done things to prolong it. From my POV many of the moves he made, especially in the first few days of his presidency almost seem like sabotage. 

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14 hours ago, simplybill said:

Donald Trump’s business-friendly leadership created a ‘Worker’s Utopia’ that the Marxist/Communist/Socialist idealists will never be able to achieve, and he did it without murdering 100s of millions of citizens as the Marxists/Communists/Socialists did in their totalitarian failed attempts.

Really, what utopia are you working in,  I want to know because I might need a job.  I do know someone who wants out of the hell job he is in and needs one of those "utopia" jobs.  I bet you don't even have a job, you are retired so what do you know about any "Worker's Utopia"?   

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13 hours ago, simplybill said:

I absolutely disagree. Donald Trump proved to the world that wealth can increase and can be shared without imposing unsustainable totalitarian ideologies.   

Trump hasn't helped anyone who wasn't already rich increase their wealth.  The world already knew that wealth can increase if you have wealth, but if you don't already have it, it has Not Increased because of Trump.  Are you trolling or do you really believe the drivel you are posting?  I bet you send money to Trump and Oral Roberts and few of those other people who tell you they need a new jet to "spread the word".   

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18 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I do know someone who wants out of the hell job he is in and needs one of those "utopia" jobs.

The Utopia I was waiting for is based on opportunity, not the “perfect job”. Donald Trump’s business-friendly policies created opportunities for everyone, rich and poor alike. Historically low unemployment rates for minorities was one of the greatest results of his policies. 

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On 1/20/2021 at 8:59 PM, Knob Oddy said:

Now that President Trump has left the White House, with no way to return (until 2024), what in your opinion were his greatest achievements?

I know people focus on the unemployment rates which reduced dramatically (especially for minorities), but IMO the fact that multiple peace treaties were facilitated by Trump and that he started no new wars is a massive achievement.

In reality, it has shown just how easy it should be for all Presidents, past and future, to avoid needless conflicts for the profit of the military industrial complex. 

When President Obama spoke with President Trump after his inauguration, Obama said that North Korea was the biggest threat America faced. Trump dealt with it like a boss. No deaths, no wars. 

I never thought in my lifetime i would ever see a President hold office without starting a war. I am 100% certain that Biden will drag us back into the swamp of another endless war to "bring democracy " (read that as "protect the Petrodollar") to whatever country is trying to sell their oil for gold instead of USD$.

Thank you President Trump and long may you remain a voice against the warmongers.

In my opinion he deserves a medal for being the most entertaining political leader of all time.

I hope he gets back in, I would love 4 more years of that. Barely a day went by that he didn`t have me in hysterics.

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On 1/20/2021 at 11:38 PM, DieChecker said:

Best Achievements? Our own personal choices, right?

1. Getting three Conservatives onto the SCOTUS.

2. Super low unemployment, and good stock market.

3. No new endless war.

4. Tax cut to everyone.

So far very good SCOTUS for Pro-Lifers, and Gun Proponents. 

We got low unemployment still, but due to non-participation, or due to too many jobs?

Stock market's in the crapper. Crypto is worth nothing. People can't save, due to inflation eating up their excess money. Recession on the way. 

We got Ukraine War, which seems to have affected the US much more then any of our own wars.

Kind of makes me miss 2018-19.

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16 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

So far very good SCOTUS for Pro-Lifers, and Gun Proponents. 

We got low unemployment still, but due to non-participation, or due to too many jobs?

Stock market's in the crapper. Crypto is worth nothing. People can't save, due to inflation eating up their excess money. Recession on the way. 

We got Ukraine War, which seems to have affected the US much more then any of our own wars.

Kind of makes me miss 2018-19.

The ruling getting rid of cap and trade is going to cause a problem though. Poorer air quality.

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7 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

The ruling getting rid of cap and trade is going to cause a problem though. Poorer air quality.

Hi Spartan

Yes and then again it may push green alternative source development to offset some of the effects. where ever there is disaster there is money, I work in the construction trade and fires, floods and war they need to be rebuilt and as bad as I feel for people that experience those events it doesn't change that that is how I make a living is off of misfortune at times, that only represents a portion of the types of work I do from reno to new construction both residential and commercial. There have been a couple of large wake up events the last 3 years in many senses and our govt's are looking for and helping to finance research and development as I think that when we can fine a way for everyone to produce their own energy so there is less dependence on import/export as well as fabrication of essentials like computer chips that can only be produced on one or two countries that a lot of major tech depends on globally.

 

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Stormy Daniels?

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On 6/30/2022 at 11:19 AM, simplybill said:

The Utopia I was waiting for is based on opportunity, not the “perfect job”. Donald Trump’s business-friendly policies created opportunities for everyone, rich and poor alike. Historically low unemployment rates for minorities was one of the greatest results of his policies. 

So tell us of these policies, and bills, and laws.  Tell us which of these policies were rolled back when Biden was elected.  Tell us what Trump changed, and what Biden rolled back.  You seem so very passionate about Trump's business friendly policies that this shouldn't even require research from you.

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2 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

So tell us of these policies, and bills, and laws.  Tell us which of these policies were rolled back when Biden was elected.  Tell us what Trump changed, and what Biden rolled back.  You seem so very passionate about Trump's business friendly policies that this shouldn't even require research from you.

Why? No one’s opinion will change. I’m satisfied having seen the improved business-confidence and consumer-confidence results of Trump’s experiences in a lifetime in business. The experiences I had as a Union member for 40 years taught me what to look for. 

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1 minute ago, simplybill said:

Why? No one’s opinion will change. I’m satisfied having seen the improved business-confidence and consumer-confidence results of Trump’s experiences in a lifetime in business. The experiences I had as a Union member for 40 years taught me what to look for. 

You specifically stated "business friendly policies."  What are they?  Policies aren't a secret.  They are published.  So just point us in the direction of the business friendly policies you were so happy about, and then show us how they were changed when Biden was elected. 

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11 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

You specifically stated "business friendly policies."  What are they?  Policies aren't a secret.  They are published.  So just point us in the direction of the business friendly policies you were so happy about, and then show us how they were changed when Biden was elected. 

 I’m not here to debate. The OP asked for “Best Trump’s achievements In Your Opinion”. I gave my opinion. I’ll let the rest of you debate.
 

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Just now, simplybill said:

 I’m not here to debate. The OP asked for “Best Trump’s achievements In Your Opinion”. I gave my opinion. I’ll let the rest of you debate.
 

I mean, it's not a debate.  You said you liked his policies...I asked which ones?  If you like them so much, you should be able to say which ones.  If you are just saying words, and don't really know if there are any policies, just man up and say it.

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