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Australia could lose Google search engine

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Google has threatened to remove its search engine from Australia over the nation's attempt to make the tech giant share royalties with news publishers.

Australia is introducing a world-first law to make Google, Facebook and potentially other tech companies pay media outlets for their news content.

But the US firms have fought back, warning the law would make them withdraw some of their services.

Australian PM Scott Morrison said lawmakers would not yield to "threats".

Full monty at the BBC: Link

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newbloodmoon

Well certain anime and manga is now outlawed in Australia so why not get google to leave.

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Timothy
Just now, newbloodmoon said:

Well certain anime and manga is now outlawed in Australia so why not get google to leave.

Which manga and anime is outlawed here?

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Saru

I've never understood the mentality of these proposed laws - if you are publishing news, it is a major boost to have it included in Google's news service; why would the news site expect Google to pay them to advertise their news ? Normally if you have something to promote,it is you who pays them, not the other way around.

All that's going to happen here, as suggested, is that Google/Facebook etc. will simply stop offering their news services in Australia.

As a result, all of Australia's news sites will take a massive hit due to much lower exposure online.

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Buzz_Light_Year
3 minutes ago, Saru said:

if you are publishing news, it is a major boost to have it included in Google's news service;

One problem is that Google filters which news sources appear. All you have to do is perform a search using Duck Duck Go and Google and compare them.

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Saru
7 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

One problem is that Google filters which news sources appear. All you have to do is perform a search using Duck Duck Go and Google and compare them.

Different search engines have different algorithms, no two will ever return the same results.

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psyche101
11 minutes ago, Saru said:

I've never understood the mentality of these proposed laws - if you are publishing news, it is a major boost to have it included in Google's news service; why would the news site expect Google to pay them to advertise their news ? Normally if you have something to promote,it is you who pays them, not the other way around.

All that's going to happen here, as suggested, is that Google/Facebook etc. will simply stop offering their news services in Australia.

As a result, all of Australia's news sites will take a massive hit due to much lower exposure online.

I'm not really understanding what it's all about.

The link provided in the OP states:

Australian print media has seen a 75% decline in advertising revenue since 2005, according to the government.

I'm just not sure how that applies to Google. That's newspapers and magazines isn't it? That's in decline because of the convenience of the internet isn't it? 

The consumer seems to be the loser here. I can't see how even if the conditions were met that it would not result in paid subscriptions for everything. That leads to underground market's and all sorts of nasties. 

When I saw this on local TV early this week I was under the impression they were up in arms about stories rather than links. I either misunderstood the news story or things seem to have escalated. 

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Eldorado
14 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

I'm not really understanding what it's all about.

 

Update on the News Media Bargaining Code and Google in Australia

An Open Letter

From Google Inc: Link

News media bargaining code

Project overview

From Aus Gov: Link

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Saru
7 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Absolutely, Google has an unhealthy monopoly of which this site has also been a victim.

That's not what the topic is about though, this is about Australian lawmakers expecting Google to pay news sites to link to their news.

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Buzz_Light_Year
5 minutes ago, Saru said:

Absolutely, Google has an unhealthy monopoly of which this site has also been a victim.

That's not what the topic is about though, this is about Australian lawmakers expecting Google to pay news sites to link to their news.

Yes it does pertain to the topic. If the Australian government requires google to pay for the linked sites then google will simply omit them.

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Saru
10 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Yes it does pertain to the topic. If the Australian government requires google to pay for the linked sites then google will simply omit them.

Google will more than likely stop offering its news service in Australia altogether.

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newbloodmoon
On 1/22/2021 at 2:26 AM, Timothy said:

Which manga and anime is outlawed here?

Top two articles I found, both only partials since I didn’t want to have ten pages worth of text.
 

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Japanese Hentai Is Now Banned in Australia

The comics are now regarded as “illegal pornography,” following fears of *** Blocked *** being brought into the country.
Gavin Butler
 
 

Australia Bans Imports Of Hentai And Adult Anime Products From Japan

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Last updated 15:00, Thursday 22 October 2020 BST

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Australian Customs have introduced a quiet ban on importing hentai and adult anime products from Japan. 

Bounding into Comics says retailer J-List told customers earlier this month that 'Australia is killing off any chance of waifus entering the county because we've had to stop shipping there'.


 
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Eldorado
11 minutes ago, newbloodmoon said:

I had heard some of the tv ma titles due to alleged “pedo” stuff. I’ll try to find the exact titles more citations.

 

Related.

"Russia bans 'Death Note' and other 'violent' anime"

Engadget

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openozy
On 1/22/2021 at 8:53 PM, Eldorado said:

Australia is introducing a world-first law to make Google, Facebook and potentially other tech companies pay media outlets for their news content

How will they ever afford it :cry:.

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newbloodmoon
3 hours ago, Eldorado said:

Related.

"Russia bans 'Death Note' and other 'violent' anime"

Engadget

Yep, I saw that as well, reminds me of the satanic panic of the late 70’s - early 90’s.

but to the topic on hand, I am not sure how you could force google and facebook to pay for bringing you news. I would be more than happy to have it explained to me (and not how they should pay higher taxes, that’s a different story IMO).

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Golden Duck

Google and Facebook are two US companies.

Remember that!

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qxcontinuum
On 1/22/2021 at 5:47 AM, Saru said:

I've never understood the mentality of these proposed laws - if you are publishing news, it is a major boost to have it included in Google's news service; why would the news site expect Google to pay them to advertise their news ? Normally if you have something to promote,it is you who pays them, not the other way around.

All that's going to happen here, as suggested, is that Google/Facebook etc. will simply stop offering their news services in Australia.

As a result, all of Australia's news sites will take a massive hit due to much lower exposure online.

What google does is to share free to the world the intellectual product and propriety of those who made efforts to reserch, write and publish the news. Right now they are giving Google their consent to crowl articles they write and to be brought up to the world but they aren't obviously happy with the set up. In reality Google has made billions on these principles and it is time to pay back. Yes this means the freedom of information days are over.

 

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Mirzam

I read this one. I dont think there has been a week in the past year where I had not heard of them facing some sort of lawsuit, legal challenge, or policy decision in the news.

I feel like I have more decision in book stores or libraries than with reading material from the internet and have been trying to transition back to that. I switch between search engines and browsers to get more options with material but do not use Google search. Going to resourceful sites directly from the url or bookmarks works better for me most times.

If this actually happens, I wonder what other pros and cons would arise aside from the change in the news market. Perhaps another new search engine would develop over there. Maybe something like Qwant to France. It says "search engine." I suppose they would still have other Google services and products such as Google Play and Android?

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Mirzam

"Others have questioned if the removal of the search engine would also remove Gmail, Google Maps and Google Home services - something the company has not made clear."

So I guess they have yet to decide on that.

"Australia's news industry is struggling. Of every A$100 (£56; $77) spent on digital advertising, A$81 goes to Google and Facebook. And Covid-19 has only made this worse.

With companies reducing their digital advertising spend, a number of outlets in Australia have been forced to close.

Google, by contrast, has been performing well. Last year the social media giant made almost $4bn from Australia, while paying $45m in tax.

Meanwhile, Australia's competition watchdog has accused both Facebook and Google of misleading Australian consumers about how their data is used, launching inquiries into digital advertising and the app stores market."

Seems like they want to transform the basic advertising model to reap more profit since they have lost income and market value. They know Google is loaded and want to redistribute the power and funding.

Most likely they will revoke their news services if this moves forward as AU requested. They will lose profit but perhaps it may significantly boost other services like duckduckgo.

"If Google withdrew its search engine, Australian internet users would be forced to use alternatives such as Microsoft's Bing, DuckDuckGo and Yahoo!"

I wonder if they will make a new deal with the companies because of how negatively AU would be impacted if there were not some sort of solution. Even if done temporarily as a covid relief to the country and then later revoked, the proposed model would set standards for others to request redistribution of funds and market control. Just because Google has the money doesn't necessarily mean they are willing to allocate it to that and risk a change in their advertising structure. If this doesnt happen AU may propose other ideas to change the market. 

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Sir Wearer of Hats
On 1/22/2021 at 8:47 PM, Saru said:

I've never understood the mentality of these proposed laws - if you are publishing news, it is a major boost to have it included in Google's news service; why would the news site expect Google to pay them to advertise their news ? Normally if you have something to promote,it is you who pays them, not the other way around.

All that's going to happen here, as suggested, is that Google/Facebook etc. will simply stop offering their news services in Australia.

As a result, all of Australia's news sites will take a massive hit due to much lower exposure online.

It’s because instead of the news publisher’s ads on the website, Google and Facebook overlay their own ads, effectively stealing ad revenue.

 

All Google needs to do is .... stop that, at least in part. You know, replace only 50% of the site’s original ads.

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Saru
23 minutes ago, President Wearer of Hats said:

It’s because instead of the news publisher’s ads on the website, Google and Facebook overlay their own ads, effectively stealing ad revenue.

Google doesn't publish the entire article, it only uses the title and a small snippet - the user has to click through to the original website to read the article.

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RoofGardener

If google withdraws its search engine from Australia, then it would only be cutting its own throat. Consumers would just switch to Bing or DuckDuckGo. 

But what would happen if Google refused to crawl and index Australian-owned/hosted websites ? (e.g. would not include them in its global results service ? ). Now THAT could hurt ? 

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Sir Wearer of Hats
9 hours ago, Saru said:

Google doesn't publish the entire article, it only uses the title and a small snippet - the user has to click through to the original website to read the article.

Yes, but Google ALSO overlays the original ads with their own ads when you click the link and navigate to the site. That’s why all your ads are the same wherever you go, they’re GOOGLE’S ads, and all ad revenue goes to Google. Whatever the site’s original ads were, they’re overwritten by Google’s. 
 

Even here, if I Google navigate here, I get Google ads and not the book ads I normally get at the bottom of the pager I follow the link I type in manually. 

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Saru
3 minutes ago, President Wearer of Hats said:

Yes, but Google ALSO overlays the original ads with their own ads when you click the link and navigate to the site. That’s why all your ads are the same wherever you go, they’re GOOGLE’S ads, and all ad revenue goes to Google. Whatever the site’s original ads were, they’re overwritten by Google’s. 

The destination site may be running Google ads, but that's because the site in question is running those ads by choice - they get a percentage of the revenue.

Google doesn't overwrite adverts on other websites just because you click through from Google - that's not how it works.

4 minutes ago, President Wearer of Hats said:

Even here, if I Google navigate here, I get Google ads and not the book ads I normally get at the bottom of the pager I follow the link I type in manually. 

If you are seeing our ads overwritten by Google ads where they shouldn't be, you may have malware on your browser.

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