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Eldorado

Boris Johnson faces a major Tory revolt this week over plans to allow children to be used as spies by state agencies against their parents.

Iain Duncan Smith, the former Tory leader, and David Davis, former Brexit secretary, are among Tory MPs backing rebel proposals to restrict the use of children as spies when the Covert Human Intelligence Source (CHIS) bill returns to the Commons.

Mr Davis told The Telegraph the Government faces a major backlash if it pushed ahead with the plans.

“Everyone I have spoken to has been horrified by it when it has been explained to them,” he said.

Full report from the Teleraph via MSN: Link

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President Wearer of Hats

All agents of Goldstein MUST BE STAMPED OUT. DOUBLEVPLUS GOOD children love Big Brother and Big Brother Loves Them.

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Orphalesion

How delightfully Orwellian...

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Mattacaster

"1984" : procreation was loveless sex only used to occasionally breed children to grow up to spy on their parents.

Whew! I'm glad that's only fiction. 

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Desertrat56
4 hours ago, Eldorado said:

Boris Johnson faces a major Tory revolt this week over plans to allow children to be used as spies by state agencies against their parents.

 

Didn't the Nazis do that?

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ethereal_scout

Can't the Tories do the Age of Consent? Its Common Law.

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Katzenking
1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

Didn't the Nazis do that?

They did for sure. The Gestapo snooped around everywhere.
Even worse was the tyranny in East-Germany. This was the most horrible dictatorship ever. Even today there are still too many East-Germans who have a desire for autocratic rule.

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Cookie Monster
8 hours ago, Eldorado said:

Boris Johnson faces a major Tory revolt this week over plans to allow children to be used as spies by state agencies against their parents.

Iain Duncan Smith, the former Tory leader, and David Davis, former Brexit secretary, are among Tory MPs backing rebel proposals to restrict the use of children as spies when the Covert Human Intelligence Source (CHIS) bill returns to the Commons.

Mr Davis told The Telegraph the Government faces a major backlash if it pushed ahead with the plans.

“Everyone I have spoken to has been horrified by it when it has been explained to them,” he said.

Full report from the Teleraph via MSN: Link

In my personal opinion it depends what information they are being asked to forward.

If they have abusive parents it should be reported, if their parents are at crime it should be reported, but if its just alternative political views that should remain secret.

And all information reported should only be used as a trigger for further investigation. Its a good way of cleaning up society without actually implementing Big Brother. Its Big Brother by choice using this approach.

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Hugh Mungus
48 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

In my personal opinion it depends what information they are being asked to forward.

If they have abusive parents it should be reported, if their parents are at crime it should be reported, but if its just alternative political views that should remain secret.

And all information reported should only be used as a trigger for further investigation. Its a good way of cleaning up society without actually implementing Big Brother. Its Big Brother by choice using this approach.

IMO, the kids shouldn't be asked any questions like this. Leading questions can make kids who want attention answer in the way they feel will get them attention.

Also, kids who are struggling at home may be put under more pressure if asked to rat on their parents, who may be thieves/drug dealers. But is state care going to be any better? 

They are far more likely to be sexually abused, suffer substance issues and go to jail if raised by the state. So the question is, what are you trying to achieve with the spying? and are the unintended consequences worth it? 

A far easier way to see if a child is being abused at home and if they need help is subtly doing school work like; the teacher askes all children to draw what they did in the weekend. A child who was traumatized would let you know through their work.

 

Sitting a child down and asking if there's something not right at home might make them think the right answer is "yes" even if its not.

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aztek
On 1/25/2021 at 9:57 AM, ethereal_scout said:

Can't the Tories do the Age of Consent? Its Common Law.

what is common law? just words on paper,, they can always write new ones, 

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ethereal_scout

Common Law isn't written down, it is expected to be commonly understood, that is the 'law' of the commoners.

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spartan max2

Sounds like it would make an interesting movie.

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aztek
31 minutes ago, ethereal_scout said:

Common Law isn't written down, it is expected to be commonly understood, that is the 'law' of the commoners.

is it optional  to follow, or mandatory, can you be arrested and charged for braking it?

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ethereal_scout

Good point, as far as I know you can be arrested and charged, end up in court etc.

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aztek

so then they have to be on books.  so they are words on paper

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ethereal_scout

Best I know its in the mind of the Judge.

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Setton
54 minutes ago, aztek said:

what is common law? just words on paper,, they can always write new ones, 

Common law used to decide cases where no written law exists to adjudicate. 

Essentially, if a similar case has previously been decided, the judge is obliged to follow the precedent set by that case. But it isn't written down in the sense of a law passed by parliament.

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