Eldorado Posted January 28, 2021 #1 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Genies, sorcerers, and exorcists are back in the Iranian political debate a decade after then-President Mahmud Ahmadinejad's associates were accused of practicing witchcraft and summoning supernatural creatures, claims that he denied. The debate about the alleged influence of sorcerers and clairvoyants on state officials was renewed this week when a member of the powerful Expediency Council -- a body that advises Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei -- said some Iranian politicians have consulted with people who claim to be able to summon genies. Ahmad Tavakoli made the claims last weekend in a story published on the news site Alef.ir, in which he said genies and fortune-tellers have been involved in “mysterious, inefficient, and corrupt” decisions by "some officials and dignitaries." Full monty at Radio Free Europe: Link 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted January 28, 2021 #2 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Oh my. I can't even imagine this in 2021! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 29, 2021 #3 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Since both are in the Quran there is no reason for a government based on the religious teaching of Islam to doubt they exist which leaves anyone that is rocking the boat susceptible to being accused of witchcraft, sorcery or any other outrageous thing that can never actually be proved. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted January 29, 2021 #4 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Nothing like religion to maintain 11th century thinking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter B Posted January 29, 2021 #5 Share Posted January 29, 2021 These sorts of beliefs are quite widespread. This article is a few years old but shows how various beliefs have different levels of popularity across the Islamic world. And this article puts the beliefs into a political context. But, having said that, how widespread are various occult beliefs in the Western World? Witches? Astrology? Alien abductions? The Secret? Angels? The power of prayer? Perhaps the major difference is that, mostly, they aren't publicly espoused by politicians. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted January 29, 2021 #6 Share Posted January 29, 2021 19 minutes ago, OverSword said: Since both are in the Quran there is no reason for a government based on the religious teaching of Islam to doubt they exist which leaves anyone that is rocking the boat susceptible to being accused of witchcraft, sorcery or any other outrageous thing that can never actually be proved. Like sorcerers in the bible? No reason at all, and since the U.S. has separation of church and state we don't have to worry about sorcerers being involved in politics, but what about in the UK? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted January 29, 2021 #7 Share Posted January 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said: Like sorcerers in the bible? No reason at all, and since the U.S. has separation of church and state we don't have to worry about sorcerers being involved in politics, but what about in the UK? Everyone in England know they're real 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted January 29, 2021 #8 Share Posted January 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, OverSword said: Everyone in England know they're real Are those future UK politicians? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted February 4, 2021 #9 Share Posted February 4, 2021 On 1/28/2021 at 7:05 PM, OverSword said: Since both are in the Quran there is no reason for a government based on the religious teaching of Islam to doubt they exist which leaves anyone that is rocking the boat susceptible to being accused of witchcraft, sorcery or any other outrageous thing that can never actually be proved. not much different from us. but instead of gins, witches an sorceress, we have racists, white supremacists and homophobes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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