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My threads have been obsolete for a while. They are getting too long and I need to pull it all together. I will collect my ideas and center them around Biblical astrotheology, any posts outside of it can be expected but are not the main focus. They only serve to provide another angle for the same topic, which is that astrotheology is a thing.

As a first post I will lay out the Antediluvian world through a series of eclipses all the way until the birth of Arphaxad, who is said to have been born two years after the flood. The genealogy within Genesis 5 sets a timeline by which we can piece together the information that was encoded, for this we need a starting date. A bit over a year ago I stumbled upon the suggestion that the major conjunction involving all visible planets of February 27th 1953 BCE could perhaps pertain to the story of Abraham. I will get to this later, for now I simply pick this date and start running.

Using the following Genesis Timeline from Adam to Abraham:

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And adding the years 1496, which are the years from Adam to Abraham, to the date of Abraham would equate to a "creation" date of 3899 BCE, therefore I will start our timeline in 3899 BCE.

Suppose that the antediluvian story is supported by astronomical calculation. Calculations that could have been made from anytime, anywhere, simply cold math. I myriad of possibilities would be possible so I need some rules. For this timeline I will only go from Eclipse to eclipse. If a pattern is established then the pattern trumps the source (scripture) as things get lost in time. The timeline I use is based on the Masoretic text, which is the most common version of the Old Testament out there. If calculation is the basis then a more recent version would be more true then an older version. Much like analog signals are remastered by digitalizing the data, however bits can transition incorrectly. What I am saying here is there there is room for the Bible to be fallible without completely destroying the picture. If the signal is understood then we can correct the Bible.

The following table lists my timeline results

Name

Born after

Date of birth

Lived to be

Date of death

Adam

0

06-07-3899 BCE

930

13-07-2969 BCE

Seth

130

08-07-3769 BCE

912

05-07-2857 BCE

Enos

105

12-11-3664 BCE

905

29-09-2759 BCE

Cainan

90

13-07-3574 BCE

910

06-03-2664 BCE

Mahalalel*

70 (-1)

01-05-3505 BCE

895

01-10-2610 BCE

Jared

65

03-05-3440 BCE

962

19-02-2478 BCE

Enoch**

162

13-02-3278 BCE

365

19-12-2913 BCE

Methuselah

65

07-09-3213 BCE

969

01-01-2243 BCE

Lamech

187

12-08-3026 BCE

777

05-05-2249 BCE

Noah*

182 (+1)

27-09-2843 BCE

950

02-03-1893 BCE

Shem

500

25-05-2343 BCE

600

22-02-1743 BCE

Flood

1656

 

 

22-12-2243 BCE

Arphaxad

102

05-06-2241 BCE

438

19-10-1803 BCE

* Mahalalel/Noah swap 1 year, the block of time in the middle shifts accordingly

** Enoch did not "die" but "was taken up", this is consistent with the story and the situation in the heavens, which I will explain below.

What is important to know are a few key insights: 

  • Orion is the great hero
    • Orion is accompanied by Gemini and Taurus. It sits in the midst of a crossing of the Milky Way and the ecliptic.
    • If these crossings were nodal points then this crossing would be the ascending nodal point
  • Ophiuchus is the red, or fierce, dragon (mušḫuššu in Babylonian, but also the dragon from Revelation 12:3). The dragon helps to punish mankind and correct our ways.
    • Ophiuchus is accompanied by Sagittarius, Scorpio and Libra. It too sits in the midst of a crossing of the Milky Way and the ecliptic.
    • If these crossings were nodal points then this crossing would be the descending nodal point
  • Virgo means births. 
  • Libra means judgement
  • Scorpio means the castrated (going deep within himself)
  • Capricorn means mountain, or house of God. 
  • Aquarius means backsliding, or house of Sin.
  • Pisces means death (it is linked to a cave or tomb, the twelfth house, house of undoing).

The planets give color to the scene and have a particular meaning.

  • Saturn is the male patriarch. Can be a harsh ruler, an oppressor but also father of many
  • Jupiter is Saturn's son, redeemer for mankind. Often the bearer of an oath.
  • Mars is the son of Man. Rebellious by nature and often in conflict with the Lord's wishes. He has a "carnal" mind. With "Christ" Mars can be redeemed to be a righteous ruler.
  • Venus can be a brother if the story pertains siblings or a female concubine. Like Mars, Venus too has a "carnal" mind. With "Christ Venus can be redeemed to be a faithful woman.
  • Mercury is the apple of God's eye. He is neutral and objective and follows God (or the image of the Sun) in close proximity. His role is that of rebuker of authority like a prophet. Perceived negatively he is a master of tricks, a magician.
  • The Moon is Saturn's wife. Signals for births and deaths like the long hand on a dial.
  • The Sun projects an image of God through the houses and moves like the short hand on a dial.

Having understood these concepts we can start to color in what Genesis 5 is all about.

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July 6th, 3899 BCE

Genesis 5:1-2
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

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In 3899 BCE we have a solar eclipse near Regulus, an important star throughout history, it was highly venerated. Solar eclipses at this position happens every 9.3 years so in itself it is not that rare, but it serves as a marker from which a pattern continues.

My interpretation:

What we see also it a Saturn/Jupiter conjunction. Saturn (God) or the tree of Good and Evil, and Jupiter (Son) or the tree of Life. They band together in the space of Aquarius, which means sin is at the door. On Regulus we have a rare conjunction with the Moon, Sun, Mars and Mercury. Adam is a composite creature both Subjective (Mars/male) and Objective (Mercury/female). Next to his side we find Eve (Venus).

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July 8th, 3769 BCE

Genesis 5:3
3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

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In 3769 BCE, 130 years after Adam, we have one of many eclipses near Regulus that followed the one in 3899 BCE. Why this particular one was chosen to represent Seth's birth in a typical story is unclear. What is clear is that his image, the Sun in Leo, is the same as that of Adam who was the spitting image of God, perfect.

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November 12th, 3664 BCE

Genesis 5:6
6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:

Genesis 4:26
26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

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It is said that in the time of Enos men began to call upon the name of the Lord, which has been translated to men started to go after false gods. Now each year has two eclipse seasons and this year happens to have one in Sagittarius, the other in Gemini. So why pick this particular one? Because Mercury is near Ophiuchus. Mercury is a conjuror when seen negatively. Having him near the fierce dragon is suspicious. Nothing of the like is found near Gemini. The story matches the heavens, but we have to interpret, this is no hard science.

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July 13th, 3574 BCE

Genesis 5:9
9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:

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Cainan, another image of God...

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May 1st, 3505 BCE

Genesis 5:12
12 And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:

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Mahalalel means "praise of El" or praise of God... which god? Did he walk with the Lord? You decide

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May 3rd, 3440 BCE

Genesis 5:15
15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:

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Here we have Jared, son of Mahalalel. If Ophiuchus is like the strict father then Orion is like the redeeming son. They go together, father and son, Saturn and Jupiter, God and Christ and here Ophiuchus and Orion.

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February 13th, 3278 BCE

Genesis 5:18
18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:

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Enoch walked with God as per Genesis 5:24. Walking with God means to be dead in Christ. Or to confirm to death, rid yourself of the flesh, the carnal mind. It al means the same thing. Enoch is like an ancient Benjamin Button, he starts in the cave and ends at the most high. I have amplified this asterism to resemble the he-goat of Daniel 8.

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September 7th, 3213 BCE

Genesis 5:21
21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:

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Methuselah, the oldest living of the antediluvian patriarchs. He ticks all the boxes. Born of Virgo, Jupiter (the son) at Ophiuchus (the patriarch), Saturn (the patriarch) at Orion(the son). And Mars son of Man in Leo.

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August 12th, 3026 BCE

Genesis 5:25
25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.

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Lamech is born when all visible planets are with Virgo. With Lamech starts the flood narrative as his son is Noah. Lamech's life itself is a precursor for the end-time prophecies as per Daniel 12. Why? Because in 2040 CE all planets will again be in Virgo and Lamech's death as we will is the precursor of the sign of the son of Man in heaven as per Matthew 24:30.

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July 13th, 2969 BCE

Genesis 5:5
5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died

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December 19th, 2913 BCE

Genesis 5:23-24
23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

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Enoch did not die, God took him! He took him to the most high (Capricorn). He did not suffer the penalty of death because he walked with God. This is a precursor for Noah who survived the flood as he was taken into the Ark.

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July 5th, 2857 BCE

Genesis 5:8
8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.

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Seth died the way Adam did, he had the same image.

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September 27th, 2843 BCE

Genesis 5:28-29
28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.

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Noah was born in the sign of Libra, or judgement. With Mars and Jupiter in Aquarius, Venus and Mercury in Scorpio. Make of it what you will.

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September 29th, 2759 BCE

Genesis 5:11
11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.

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Judgement is becoming a bigger theme as we approach the flood.

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March 6th, 2664 BCE

Genesis 5:14
14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.

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October 1st, 2610 BCE

Genesis 5:17
17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.

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February 19th, 2478 BCE

Genesis 5:20
20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.

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May 25th, 2343 BCE

Genesis 5:32
32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

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Shem, Ham and Japhet precursors Arphaxad who is 102 years away or 5.5 eclipse years. What is interesting is that 6 months prior there is a distinct print near Ophiuchus that could describe the three brothers:

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Mercury/Saturn near Ophiuchus for Shem, Venus in Scorpio for the castrated Japeth, who is allowed in Shem's tents (near proximity of the Sun, in the Sun's rays). Mars however is outcast, being at Virgo he might have sodomized her and in doing so knew the nakedness of his father Noah. This image is a precursor to that event.

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May 5th, 2249 BCE

Genesis 5:31
31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.

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Lamech, born with all planets in Virgo, lived to be 777 years old which is a very fortunate number, and died with an eclipse near Orion the hero. As mentioned before in 2040 CE all visible planets will again be in Virgo to mark the end of the 1260 and 1290 year prophecies of Daniel. The 1335 year prophecy ends in 2085 CE, with the sign of the son of Man in the heavens. These two images you can see below:

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January 1, 2243 BCE

Genesis 5:27
27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.

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Methuselah lived until just before the flood. Died outside the ark so to speak. His death points to Noah safely riding the Ark towards mount Ararat:

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December 22nd, 2243 BCE

Genesis 6:4-6
4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.
5 And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.
6 And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made:

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Male and Female. Mars and Venus, at the place of the Most High, House of God, Capricorn; here mount Ararat. This is within the 40 day period when the waters subside.

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June 5th, 2241 BCE

Genesis 11:10
10 These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:

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Arphaxad, two years after the flood. This space surrounding Orion is eventually where Noah and his family left the Ark. This is a different topics that I will get into at a later time. In any case 102 years, or 5.5 eclipse years apart from Shem.

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March 2nd, 1893 BCE

Genesis 9:29
29 And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.

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February 22nd, 1743 BCE

Genesis 11:10-11
10 These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:
11 And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.

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Here is a discrepancy. It is stated that Shem lived to be 600. But it also stated that Shem got Arphaxad two years after the flood meaning he was 102. This is a problem. The fact is that by going through this method Shem was indeed 102 when he got Arphaxd, and he lived to be 600, however he only lived 498 years after Arphaxad's birth.

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October 19th, 1803

Genesis 11:12-13
12 And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:
13 And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.

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Not much can be said about Arphaxad's supposed death. Some boxes are ticked that have to do with death, the flood and judgement.

This was the Genealogy from Adam until Arphaxad based on astrotheology using solar eclipse cycles.

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XenoFish

What did I just read and why did I read it?

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Dreamer screamer

I understood pretty much what you are going on about.   Time doesn't exist, but cycles of time/events exist.   ;)

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jethrofloyd
1 hour ago, Dreamer screamer said:

 Time doesn't exist,

Time exist. Ask Salvador Dali...:whistle:

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Orestes_3113

The prophecies of Daniel explained

Consider Mahalalel's (praise of "god") birth:

 

May 1st, 3505 BCE

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And Lamech's birth and death:

August 12th, 3026 BCE

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May 5th, 2249 BCE

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Lamech lived to be 777 years old, this number is significant as it shows its perfection. Simply google 777 to understand what I mean by that.

Consider the rarity of having stelliums that can be considered conjunctions for all visible planets. The story of Abraham, revolves around such a stellium, 27th of February 1953, it's rarity will not be duplicated at an orb of less than 5 degrees within 3800 years from now! At higher degrees it is less rare but still significant enough to be notable. Using modern computing we can derive such a stellium for the year 2040 CE in the sign of Virgo. This is not one of many but the only one within a thousand years.

If Abraham was so important in February 27th 1953 BCE's stellium then perhaps the 2040 CE's conjunction can tell us something as well as there is still an end-times riddle to solve, this is unexplained-mysteries after all.

Consider the possibility that 2040 CE is the year to which the book of Revelation points towards. The culminating point of both the 1260 year prophecy and the 1290 year prophecy. Then these prophecies would have a starting date of 750 CE and 780 respectively. There is also a 1335 year prophecy that starts in the same year as the 1260 year prophecy, this then would end in 2085. So what years do I have? 750, 780, 2040 and 2085. Now let me quote some scripture and include the imagery that is being described:

 

Verses pertaining to the 1290 year prophecy:

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Daniel 12:10-11

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

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Revelations 12:3-4

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born

 

December 14th, 749 CE

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In December 749 CE (just a bit short of 750 CE), this scene played out exactly as described in Revelations 12:3-4. I have identified the red "fierce" dragon before as Ophiuchus, and a third of the stars are drawn. The child was to be born of the woman who was before the dragon.

 

Verses pertaining to the 1260 year prophecy; time, times and half a time means 3.5 years, or 42 months, or 42 x 30 = 1260 days. Here we use the day-for-a-year principle.:

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Daniel 7:24-25

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

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Daniel 12:6-7

6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

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Revelations 11:2-3

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

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Revelation 12:5-6

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

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Revelation 12:14-16

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

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Revelations 13:4-6

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

 

July 27th, 779 CE

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The child, son of Man (Mars) was caught up to God's throne which is Orion. Jupiter conjunct Mars, here Jupiter amplifies Mars with a solemn oath.

Now the verses hint at a flood of water. Remember Lamech, being born with all the stars in Virgo and his death with an eclipse in Orion. The 1260 year prophecy has a rounding error due to the "time, times and half a time" or "42 months" description. The exact time is 1261 years, again we are restoring a picture, therefore we can correct the source once we have a lock on.

 

September 8th, 2040 CE

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This is when the bride is ready... the end of her nourishment.

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Revelations 12:7

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

 

Verses pertaining to the 1335 year prophecy:

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Daniel 12:8-13

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

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Matthew 24:30

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

 

June 22nd, 2085 CE

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Interestingly the solar eclipse is at the crossing of the Milky Way and the ecliptic. Not only that but the date is June 22nd or summer solstice. This truly is a great day!

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Abramelin

Heh, I am amazed about all the 'astrology' threads.

Ok, maybe not true asttology according to Orestes, but close enough.

Maybe you Orestes, might want to have a peek in this thread: Puzzler and I tried to find some astronomical/astrological event to explain a certain date (2194 bce) in a 19th century Dutch hoax/fabrication/myth:

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The 2194 bce date was the date a worldwide flood was supposed to have happened.

Check Puzzler's and my posts from then on.

A  interesting thing is the Hebrew 'kimah', Pleiades.

Good luck.

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6 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Heh, I am amazed about all the 'astrology' threads.

Ok, maybe not true asttology according to Orestes, but close enough.

Maybe you Orestes, might want to have a peek in this thread: Puzzler and I tried to find some astronomical/astrological event to explain a certain date (2194 bce) in a 19th century Dutch hoax/fabrication/myth:

link

The 2194 bce date was the date a worldwide flood was supposed to have happened.

Check Puzzler's and my posts from then on.

A  interesting thing is the Hebrew 'kimah', Pleiades.

Good luck.

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Why 2194 BCE? And do you think a flood would have actually happened?

Imo what happened around the time of the Hebrew flood (2243 BCE) was the 4.2ky event (2250 BCE). Was there a flood? No, actually a drought. 

I think that cataclysms in scriptute like the flood but also the ten plagues of Egypt have to do with overpopulating a specific area. Logistics gettinf fragile, then one bad season and all hell breaks loose. This then is "The Day of the Lord".

The flood in this line of reasoning is more akin to inflation, inflated value but nothing to eat. When you read Revelation within this context amd look at the world today then hmm. Big flood coming, but the earth will provide and swallow up the waters...

About OLB unless you have specifics to work with it would be impossible to match. Your year seems fixed so that is a good start 2194 BCE, is there a myth to match it with? I dont believe in astrology as in when the planets were here or there an earthquake or flood happened. It is simply matching stories to positions.

Now the story itself could be a vehicle to carry even older myths. If a flood acrually did occur and it needed to be repackaged in order to be retold then cultural appropriation by myth is a great technique, but it creates "phantom" dates. 

So far no clue for an actual flood event but im open to the idea. But  2k BCE to me is higly unlikely. Again, if you have a story to go with 2194 BCE that would help.

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Abramelin

I said the ms is a hoax, or whatever one wants to call it.

The date was, as was obvious, 'borrowed' from a 19th century Frisian almanac.

What *I* wanted to find out how the ones creating the almanac came to that date of 2194 bce.

Not that any flood actually happened around that time.

 

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14 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

I said the ms is a hoax, or whatever one wants to call it.

The date was, as was obvious, 'borrowed' from a 19th century Frisian almanac.

What *I* wanted to find out how the ones creating the almanac came to that date of 2194 bce.

Not that any flood actually happened around that time.

 

Right, and even hoaxes are worth exploring. Still, without an additional layer of story/myth it is hard to make a connection. Unless there was an actual real event. That is what I meant, no disrespect.

So how one would get to 2194, I dont know. The date year is derived from subsets of events right? You would need to look at those. See if there is lore to them and build back up the date once you have found a single match.

This is tricky because any match couls be claimed due to confirmatiom bias. Which is why i get the flak here. So my game is that of probability. Very rare conjunction + very special "person", ofc I am talking about Abraham here. He is my pivot, a justified true belief.

So you need to find something withing the whole of the book that you can rally behind, with confidence.

Btw I can read the Dutch/Frisian language, I am Dutch.

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37 minutes ago, Orestes_3113 said:

Why 2194 BCE? And do you think a flood would have actually happened?

Imo what happened around the time of the Hebrew flood (2243 BCE) was the 4.2ky event (2250 BCE). Was there a flood? No, actually a drought. 

I think that cataclysms in scriptute like the flood but also the ten plagues of Egypt have to do with overpopulating a specific area. Logistics gettinf fragile, then one bad season and all hell breaks loose. This then is "The Day of the Lord".

The flood in this line of reasoning is more akin to inflation, inflated value but nothing to eat. When you read Revelation within this context amd look at the world today then hmm. Big flood coming, but the earth will provide and swallow up the waters...

About OLB unless you have specifics to work with it would be impossible to match. Your year seems fixed so that is a good start 2194 BCE, is there a myth to match it with? I dont believe in astrology as in when the planets were here or there an earthquake or flood happened. It is simply matching stories to positions.

Now the story itself could be a vehicle to carry even older myths. If a flood acrually did occur and it needed to be repackaged in order to be retold then cultural appropriation by myth is a great technique, but it creates "phantom" dates. 

So far no clue for an actual flood event but im open to the idea. But  2k BCE to me is higly unlikely. Again, if you have a story to go with 2194 BCE that would help.

Except that the 4.2 ka event occurred circa 2200 and NOT 2250 BC. And as related to a major drought, which specifically affected Egypt, THAT occurred circa 2160 BC which is a full 90 years later than your claim. 
 

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49 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Except that the 4.2 ka event occurred circa 2200 and NOT 2250 BC. And as related to a major drought, which specifically affected Egypt, THAT occurred circa 2160 BC which is a full 90 years later than your claim. 
 

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4.2ky BP

4200 year Before Present.

Present = 1950

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Present

Thus 4.2ky BP = 2250 BCE, or around 2200 BCE.

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In 2018, the International Commission on Stratigraphy divided the Holocene epoch into three periods, with the late Holocene from approximately 2250 BC onwards designated as the Meghalayan stage/age.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/4.2-kiloyear_event

Look all I am doing is demonstrating a pattern. This drought simply coincides, make of it what you will.

Also the character of Abraham is said to have come from Ur of the Chaldees. This is connected to Sanliurfa, Turkey, land of Göblekit Tepi. In 2250 BCE, this was the land of the Akkadians. You mention Egypt, what about the Akkadian Empire?

Victory steele of Naram-Sin of Akkad Victory Stele of Naram-Sin, c. 2230 BCE.

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Methuselah died in 2243 BCE.

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Noah on mountain Ararat 2243 BCE.

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Two solar eclipses at nearly the same spot next to "the mountain", almost a year apart. Jan vs Dec.

Moon God Sin owned that year.

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@Orestes_3113 what makes you think that the numbers in the bible are real in the first place ?

We have no evidence to back up any of those numbers and we have plenty of evidence for people long before your 3899 BC creation date. How do you explain that ?

 

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Just now, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

@Orestes_3113 what makes you think that the numbers in the bible are real in the first place ?

We have no evidence to back up any of those numbers and we have plenty of evidence for people long before your 3899 BC creation date. How do you explain that ?

I do not dispute that. I am only stating that the stories in the Bible are stories with dates encoded. 

Layer upon layer of stories, not realities. Well from a theological standpoint they are realities, but not in the physical world. See the Bible as a play. Did Romeo and Juliet exist? Same for Adam and Eve.

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Just now, Orestes_3113 said:

I do not dispute that. I am only stating that the stories in the Bible are stories with dates encoded. 

Layer upon layer of stories, not realities. Well from a theological standpoint they are realities, but not in the physical world. See the Bible as a play. Did Romeo and Juliet exist? Same for Adam and Eve.

I simply don't get what you are trying to achieve here ?

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What's next?

The Bible Code?

 

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12 minutes ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

I simply don't get what you are trying to achieve here ?

I don't understand what is not to get. It is very simple. Stories are designed with astronomy in mind. That in itself is groundbreaking.

But don't expect me to explain reality with it. I am just explaining the stories, as they are unexplained mysteries.

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13 minutes ago, Orestes_3113 said:

I don't understand what is not to get. It is very simple. Stories are designed with astronomy in mind. That in itself is groundbreaking.

But don't expect me to explain reality with it. I am just explaining the stories, as they are unexplained mysteries.

I suppose I'm just too stupid to see the brilliance of your work.

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1 minute ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

I suppose I'm just too stupid to see the brilliance of your work.

Sorry I am not trying to belittle. But honestly I do not get the confusion. If these stories are in fact patterned to the skies would this not be news to you? Just this single point.

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2 minutes ago, Orestes_3113 said:

Sorry I am not trying to belittle. But honestly I do not get the confusion. If these stories are in fact patterned to the skies would this not be news to you? Just this single point.

You are using biblical dates (Which have no proof at all) and astrology (Which is nonsense in its own right) to prove an imaginary connection. Do you not see why that is underwhelming to me ?

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1 minute ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

You are using biblical dates (Which have no proof at all) and astrology (Which is nonsense in its own right) to prove an imaginary connection. Do you not see why that is underwhelming to me ?

What do you mean there are is no proof of the dates. They are in the text, they exist.

It is an array of numbers, accompanied by rich text. That is all there is to it. I do not imply more. I do not imply a connection in a substantial way as people accuse me of. So how would I need proof? They are simply numbers in a set of numbers.

And I do not use astrology. It is more like anthropomorhic astronomy. I do not imply supernatural forces, but merely a way to track time using cycles.

You say imaginary connection, that might seem to be the case. However there is a clear pattern as I have demonstrated, one that is far beyond coincidence. It strongly hints at human inspiration, imo it proofs it.

This might be underwhelming if you expect a lot. My claim is actually small. Biblical myth is patterned to the stars. Not astrology but astronomy, combined I would say astrotheology. A form of science masquarading as religion. 

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33 minutes ago, Orestes_3113 said:

Sorry I am not trying to belittle. But honestly I do not get the confusion. If these stories are in fact patterned to the skies would this not be news to you? Just this single point.

You see patterns no one else does.

Does that help?

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5 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

You see patterns no one else does.

Does that help?

That I understand, and I am ok with that. But when people accuse me of things that I am not implying then I need to make sure my idea gets across. Or atleast not a false version of it, else I'd be accused using a strawman, be it intentional or not. 

Accuse or ask for irrelevant proofs.

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24 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

You see patterns no one else does.

Does that help?

No he probably suffers from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

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Also the character of Abraham is said to have come from Ur of the Chaldees. This is connected to Sanliurfa, Turkey, land of Göblekit Tepi.

No, it’s NOT. Chaldea was the area known two millennia prior as Sumer, near the Persian Gulf. 
 

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2 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

No, it’s NOT. Chaldea was the area known two millennia prior as Sumer, near the Persian Gulf. 
 

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Depends who answers the question.

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Other sites traditionally thought to be Abraham's birthplace are in the vicinity of the city of Edessa (Şanlıurfa in modern south eastern Turkey). Traditional Jewish and Muslim authorities, such as Maimonides and Josephus, placed Ur Kaśdim at various Upper Mesopotamian or at other southeast Anatolian sites such as Urkesh, Urartu, Urfa, or Kutha.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur_of_the_Chaldees

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