Astrotheology

[Herbert Sanders]

4 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Nope, THE TEXT explains the stele. You’re ignoring the text in order to support your fiction of relevancy. 
 

cormac

You are ignoring the image (which is a form of language) in order to support a singular interpretation when multiple can co-exist.

I have a date, you have an event.

Now if we combine them we could say in the year 2243BCE there was a skirmish between Akkad and the Lulubi.

But you rather dismiss my information because... afraid of losing control over your reality?

What lies before you is plain to see, easy to understand, and you have no better explanation for the image itself.

Whereas I have derived information that is corroborated by carbon dating. And describes the basic theological narrative throughout human histortly.

[cormac mac airt]

20 minutes ago, Orestes_3113 said:

You are ignoring the image (which is a form of language) in order to support a singular interpretation when multiple can co-exist.

I have a date, you have an event.

Now if we combine them we could say in the year 2243BCE there was a skirmish between Akkad and the Lulubi.

But you rather dismiss my information because... afraid of losing control over your reality?

What lies before you is plain to see, easy to understand, and you have no better explanation for the image itself.

Whereas I have derived information that is corroborated by carbon dating. And describes the basic theological narrative throughout human histortly.

Intellectual dishonesty it is then. SSDD. Yeah we see that. 
 

cormac

[Swede]

22 hours ago, Orestes_3113 said:

Google will find you dates of sites being abandoned as early as 2254 BCE in the Akkadian Empire.

That abandonment of the Akkadian Administrative Building, and the end of Leilan lIb 1, 
is now radiocarbon dated to 2254-2220 BC (68.2%) (Weiss et aI., this volume: 163).

When it comes to Antikythera you are wrong. The bulk of it could have been written earlier and merely some early genealogies left blank. At a later time in a (re)construction attempt they could have been added. Greek tech yes.

But considering the Naram-Sin victory stele I am willing to abandon the antedating/antikythera theory and accept that they were simply in tune with eclipse seasons. This means that as you observe you would know when an eclipse would happen somewhere, simply as the new moon hits this season. No need to see the actual eclipse, knowing is enough.

Still antikythera could be used for reconstruction.

1) Read The Paper:

https://hal-insu.archives-ouvertes.fr/insu-02269672/document

And cite your references.

2) This would be incorrect. The information provided is accurate. And not based upon unsupported speculation.

3) Good.

4) How disgustingly New Age. Such unsupported fluffery.

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[Herbert Sanders]

Here is another example to support my thesis. The legend of Hayk

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One of the greatest heroic Epics of the Armenian people is the great Cosmic Epic of Hayk -- the Forefather and establisher of the first Armenian Kingdom of AR-MANIA in third millennium BC. The Epic was written down by Mowses Xorēnac‛i -- the father of Armenian History. Xorēnac‛i, wrote down the epic in his History of Armenia in the fifth century, from the oral tradition of the ancient troubadours. The epic story tells us of Hayk [ORION], the leader of the nation of Armens (Armans or Armins) of the original Indo-European Homeland [where the solar cult of Orion originated and spread throughout the world], in the impregnable Highlands of AR-Men-ia. The warrior-king organizes the Armens against the invading forces of the tyrant Bel (Baal) of Babylon attacking from south, from Mesopotamia into the highlands of ARARAT. The Great Armenian Calendar records -- August 11, 2492 BC -- as the day of the cosmic battle [August 11 = the day of the solar eclipse... the light...after...darkness] between the forces of the freedom loving Ar-Men and the invading forces of Bel [in fact of the same divine Arman/Netjeru bloodline...the ShinAr/Chaldean High-priest leaders were the enlightened rulers of Near East as far back as we have records and no doubt before that, the exalted civilization and influence extending to our own days...in the epic Bell is not hard on Hayk at all calling his 'small brother' to return to Babylon as ones Armenic settlers and the Edenic-Elder God culture from the first Neolithic communities brought civilization with the waters of sacred Tigris and Euphrates from the Highland Source...Hayk refuses the big brother...telling Bell to instead RETURN to PARADISE-PARTEZ in peace and love...not in arms...connoting the underlying Stellar and Cyclical significance of the great Epic].

The decisive battle takes place near the shores of Lake Van. Haik fires a triple headed broad arrow from his long bow directly into the chest of Bel of Babylon. The ample arrow splits the breastplate of Bel, who mortally wounded, falls to the ground.  Bels soldiers flee the battlefield after the death of their leader. Haik calls on his kinsmen to unite into one single nation and kingdom in order to defend and continue to cultivate and enrich the ancestral homeland. Haik establishes a settlement -- Haikashēn which becomes the nucleus of the Armenian Kingdom centered around Van-Vaspurakan. Haik places his sons in charge of strategically important areas of Armenia to guard and prevent any further hostilities from foreign incursions into the LAND OF ARARAT [zErikrn Hayoc‛ Araraday].

 

http://www.armenianhighland.com/kings/chronicle570.html

Let's look at some inspirational images of the conflict, images are good for those that do not read...

 

So what do we learn?

1. Hayk is the little brother Mercury
2. Bell is the big brother Mars
3. There is a cosmic battle, a solar eclipse 
4. From the place where solar cults originated (GT, Armenia, Akkad, Ur of the Chaldees, Sanliurfa). Forerunner of Biblical mythology.
5. Hayk is an archer
6. Hayk shoots a triple headed arrow

What can we expect? Well for those that caught on I hope you have your thinking caps on, yes you are right... SSDD...

 

This is what we find:

1. Solar eclipse with Mercury in Sagittarius (the archer)
2. Mars with Saturn, representing Babylon by the dragon Ophiuchus
3. The battleground is the crossing of the ecliptic and the Milky Way
4. We see a triple conjunction including the Sun, the Moon and Mercury
5. The date however is November 15th, 2492 BCE (-2491jul), this translates into October 26th 2492 BCE (-2491greg). Either way August 11 is wrong, no eclipse on that day.

Conclusion: ancient troubadours have the correct story predating Naram-Sin which is consistent with Bible methodology!

So what is the score?

1. Hayk
2. Naram-Sin
3. Bible
4. Romulus & Remus

Edited February 1, 2021 by Orestes_3113

[jmccr8]

18 minutes ago, Orestes_3113 said:

So what is the score?

Orestes-0

forum members-

[Herbert Sanders]

1 minute ago, jmccr8 said:

Orestes-0

forum members-

Too bad, it is really easy to understand. Read the OP again. Reread the Hayk post and Naram-Sin post with fresh eyes perhaps you will see. If not, it will come.

If you have questions just ask.

[Tom1200]

54 minutes ago, Orestes_3113 said:

Too bad, it is really easy to understand. Read the OP again. Reread the Hayk post and Naram-Sin post with fresh eyes perhaps you will see. If not, it will come.

If you have questions just ask.

Will you please, please stop?

[Hanslune]

4 hours ago, Tom1200 said:

Will you please, please stop?

He will not of course. I watched a poster here say the same things on this and on other boards not once, not ten times, not a hundred times but THOUSANDS OF TIMES. Endless repetition some fifty thousand to sixty thousand posts on a score+ of boards - he is still saying the same exact thing on obscure sites.

It is what they do.

He has discovered nirvana: He had found a bunch of data dots and matched it with another bag full of other data dots and is happy as Harte in pond full of fired okra and math problems.

[Herbert Sanders]

5 hours ago, Hanslune said:

He will not of course. I watched a poster here say the same things on this and on other boards not once, not ten times, not a hundred times but THOUSANDS OF TIMES. Endless repetition some fifty thousand to sixty thousand posts on a score+ of boards - he is still saying the same exact thing on obscure sites.

It is what they do.

He has discovered nirvana: He had found a bunch of data dots and matched it with another bag full of other data dots and is happy as Harte in pond full of fired okra and math problems.

Yup, that sums it up. Data dots. And here I am scanning lines of symbols aka letters. Such hypocrites.

Although I understand you guys will never be swayed by reason my hope is for a silent reader to understand and catch on to it. To simply read the same as I do.

It is about teaching a method by examples, not proving it with outside evidence. Expect many, many, many more examples.

9 hours ago, Tom1200 said:

Will you please, please stop?

Ni!

Edited February 2, 2021 by Orestes_3113

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

[Herbert Sanders]

Cycling back to Romulus and Remus once more, as there is more to that Myth than birth, suckling and death. Romulus and Remus did some battles as well, just like Hayk. And we will get to this today.

For more on Romulus and Remus's birth and death according astrotheology read my Medium post Astrotheology in Antiquity - the Roman foundation-myth. For more details about The Story of Two Brothers concerning their battles with Amulius read the linked article.

First the ABC's

• Saturn - Patriarch gone bad, Amulius
• Jupiter - Good king, Numitor
• Mars - Romulus
• Mercury - Remus 
• Venus - Servants
• Virgo - Virgin birth
• Libra - Judgement
• Scorpio - Castration, circumcision. Looking inward
• Aquarius - Place of sin, or where sin is rebuked. Also known as the water bearer. 
• Pisces - the Lupercal*
• Ophiuchus - Babylon, the state

* As was with the OP, Pisces is the place of undoing. Remember Enoch was born with Pisces and he walked with God.

Also note that at the time or Rome's foundation eclipses were less important, more focus was on the relationship between Mars and Mercury. What I mean is that in the antediluvian genealogy we only see solar eclipses. In my opinion the Bible is a continuation of the solar cult of Orion spoken of Indo-European origin spoken of by the Armenian troubadours, and Rome is an offshoot, or branch, of that same culture. Basically the Indo-European solar cult that is still in a way active today under the worship of Jesus Christ. Remember the 1335-year prophecy of Daniel, the sign of the Son of Man in Heaven in Matthew 24:30, this all points to Orion.

In any case here we will focus on Mercury/Mars conjunction instead of Solar eclipses. Other than that the same rules apply.

 

The Story

 

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• Plutarch reports the calculation of Varro’s friend Tarutius that 771 BC was the birth year of Romulus and his twin.
• The twins were born to Rhea a vestal virgin

 

September 11th, 771 BCE

In 771 BCE Mars and Mercury make a conjunction in the constellation Virgo during September's new moon. 

 

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The twins were suckled by a she-wolf, in a cave now known as the Lupercal.

 

March 5th, 770 BCE

That Mars/Mercury year the twins were seen during the days of a new moon on the cusp between Pisces and Aquarius. Remember Pisces represents death, entombment or a cave. From this we can infer the Lupercal to be the cave where the she-wolf suckled them. Aquarius also known as the water bearer, giving nourishment to those thirsty, which applies to the infant twins.

 

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Faustulus was the shepherd who found the infant Romulus (the future founder of the city of Rome)and his twin brother Remus along the banks of the Tiber River as they were being suckled by the she-wolf, Lupa.

 

September 10th, 769 BCE

Then, after a full synodic period they met in Libra in 769 BCE. Libra happens to be "close" to the constellations Lupus and Centaur near the Milky Way. The Milky Way represents the Tiber River by which Faustilus, Centaurus, found the twins with Lupus the she-wolf. 

N.B. The constellation Centaur generally depicts Chiron. Chiron himself, after having been born, was abandoned by his mother Philyra out of shame and disgust. Chiron, effectively orphaned, was later found by the god Apollo, who took him under his wing. Faustulus thus plays the role of Apollo in relation to Chiron.

 

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Romulus and Remus grew up as shepherds, but also as boys with lots of strength and courage. They liked to demonstrate their abilities by assaulting local bandits. One day, while the boys were at a festival, the bandits assaulted Romulus and Remus because the boys had taken their loot. Romulus defend himself, but Remus was captured and the bandits brought him before the King, Amulius.  The bandits accused Remus of committing the crimes that they had actually committed. 

 

November 9th, 756 BCE

At the age of 16. Romulus (Mars) and Remus (Mercury) made a conjunction in Scorpio (Circumcision) near Saturn (Amulius) in Libra (Judgement). All within the space of Ophiuchus the dragon (Babylon, or the state). The crimes of which Remus was accused of is typical for Mercury, think prophets, think Jesus.

 

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Amulius sent Remus to Numitor so that he could hand Remus his punishment. 

 

January 1st, 755 BCE

Within two months Remus (Mercury) accompanied by a servant (Venus) transits into Aquarius where it finds Numitor (Jupiter), will he get relief?

 

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The two brothers, once reunited, planned a revolt. Romulus attacked directly Amulius’s palace from the outside along with shepherds who supported him. And Remus, along with Numitor and his supporters, attacked from the inside. The attack was a success and Amulius was killed.  Numitor then called a council to explain the whole situation to the people of Alba Longa. At the end, Numitor was congratulated by the people and was given back the title of King of Alba Longa.

 

November 1st, 754 BCE

Full out war at Ophiuchus during the Mars/Mercury conjunction in Scorpio. Jupiter (Numitor) is in Pisces, which belongs to the dead and is a righteous place.

 

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After Numitor went back to being the King of Alba Longa, Romulus and Remus decided to create their own kingdom, and every kingdom starts with a city. They wanted their city to be much bigger than their grandfather’s and much bigger than its neighbor city Lavinium. All the preparations were ready for the twins to start their own city, but it was interrupted by the worst curse: ambition. Because there was no land that was inherited and because both were born at the same time, their first dispute was over whose name would be used to name the city. Remus went to the Aventine hill and Romulus went to the Palatine hill to create what would be his future city.

 

May 7th, 753 BCE

Romulus (Mars) is joined with his servants (Venus), while Mercury sides with righteousness or "God" (Jupiter). Behind the curtain we have the Patriarchy (Saturn) in Ophiuchus. The dispute is between church and state. Where to build the city, on what grounds? Palentine Hill, from which we still have the word palace, or Aventine Hill which was next to the Lupercal in order to service God (again Lupercal/Pisces/Death). In the end Romulus won of course, state > church.

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Between the dispute and the tensions between the two brothers, Remus died. Romulus then became the founder of his city and he named it after himself, Rome.

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Many versions exist about the death of Remus. In Livy’s and Ennius’s versions of the myth, Remus leaped over Romulus’s wall and was then killed by Romulus. In Ennius’s version, Romulus declared, “Neither you nor any man shall do this with impunity. You will recompense me with your life blood.”14 In Livy’s version, Romulus declared, “So shall it be henceforth with every one who leaps over my walls.”15 In Dionysus’s and Ovid’s versions, Remus was killed in a brawl, but they never gave the name of Romulus as the killer. In Dionysus version, it was a guard called Celer who killed Remus when Remus leaped over Romulus’s walls. Also, both authors stated that Romulus gave his brother an honorable funeral in his name.

 

 

October 25, 752 BCE

Mercury orbits the Sun in short cycles while Mars is more steady. Mercury is the fastest of the personal planets while Mars the slowest (Jupiter and Saturn are not considered to be personal planets). And so as Mercury cycles around the Sun back and forth in the space of Ophiuchus in October 752 BCE one could see that Remus (Mercury) was simply taking the p*** at his brother Romulus's walls (Mars). Remus (Mercury) knows that in the end God reigns and no mere mortal with his mundane walls. Romulus (Mars) however is set at the heart of the state (Ophiuchus), like Amulius before him. Both their fates have now been sealed. 

 

April 19th, 751 BCE

Within half a year of mockery as Remus (Mercury) continued to jump back and forth around Romulus (Mars), Remus finally got killed. On the 19th of April 751 BCE during a blood moon in Libra just before the Parilia festival which is celebrated on the 21st of April. 751 BCE is corroborated by Dionysius of Halicarnassus. 

N.B. Dates extending this far back are unsure as calendars are not the same. It is my opinion that April 21st as mentioned in myth is actually April 19th. I give precedence of luminary cycles over written accounts. Written accounts only serve to guide us towards specific luminary transits.

 

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Antimachus of Teos was an early Greek epic poet. According to Plutarch, he observed a Solar eclipse in 753 BC, the same year in which Rome was founded.

 

May 5th, 751 BCE

The next full moon, after the lunar eclipse of the 19th of April, is still within the eclipse season. Although not visible from Antimachus’ location in Teos, modern day Izmir (West Turkey)

It started to become visible south from the relatively nearby Caspian sea, modern day Tehran (about 2600 km), which is just north east of the Egyptian kingdom at the time. Second hand knowledge could have made it to the west. Antimachus of Teos was situated near the Lydian Kingdom, trade with Egypt could have accompanied a message. That or like with Naram-Sin and Hayk they were in tune with eclipse seasons, knowing full well that there was a solar eclipse in the month that started on April 19th.

Solar eclipse as seen from Tehran:

 

Conclusion

There appears to exist (or have existed) a solar cult that has origins tracing back at least to Indo-European Armenia, 2492 BCE. And continued through the lines of Akkad throughout the levant, into Babylon (Mystery Babylon), making its way into Biblical scripture even until the time of "Christ". Parallel to the Jewish sect there was a branch from Rome that continued the Babylonian state as evidenced by the myth of Romulus and Remus. The Jewish sect transformed into Christianity and usurped command over this culture, or perhaps has always been there.

There is a common thread to history and it all involves the solar cult of Orion

Edited February 2, 2021 by Orestes_3113

[Tom1200]

I'm getting confused between you talking about solar eclipses and you talking from where the sun don't shine.

11 minutes ago, Orestes_3113 said:

At the age of minus four, Ronnie (Mars) and Reggie (Mercury) made a conjunction in Scorpio (Confusion) near Saturn (Apathy) in Libra (Desperation). All within the space of Ophiuchus the octopus (Babylon 5). The crimes of which Reggie was accused of is typical for Mercury (Ronnie), think prophets, think Jesus (Jerusalem artichokes).

Both these immediately came to mind:

"dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones..". 

and:

"Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a cl*dking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers."

 

Why conjunctions?  Run out of eclipses to shoehorn into your craziness?

[Herbert Sanders]

56 minutes ago, Tom1200 said:

I'm getting confused between you talking about solar eclipses and you talking from where the sun don't shine.

Both these immediately came to mind:

"dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones..". 

and:

"Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a cl*dking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers."

 

Why conjunctions?  Run out of eclipses to shoehorn into your craziness?

Eclipses are conjunctions only they involve the Sun and the Moon. A conjunction happens when 2 objects are in line from the pov of the earth. One acts like a fast long hand, the other as a slow short hand of a clock.

Why the switch? Ask ancient Romans, I simply noticed that they switched.

There are basically 3 sets.

 

Hero journey

• Mercury - long hand
• Mars - short hand

 

Solar eclipses

• Moon - long hand
• Sun - short hand

 

Great conjunctions

• Jupiter - long hand
• Saturn - short hand

 

Conjunctions are merely CTA's to signal the reader to look here for matches at key moments. Elaborate stories might also deviate from mere conjunctions and involve other transits. I will show this later with the lives of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Edited February 2, 2021 by Orestes_3113

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

I have used the powers of astrowhateverology and I confidently predict that this thread will be locked soon.

[jmccr8]

 

Some of us have found new past times while reading your threads.

jmccr8

[Hyperionxvii]

27 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

 

Some of us have found new past times while reading your threads.

jmccr8

LOLOLOLOL!!!

[Trelane]

1 hour ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

I have used the powers of astrowhateverology and I confidently predict that this thread will be locked soon.

We can only hope so. The OP has clearly entered the Mario tier of posting randomness and expecting everyone to see what they do.

[Hanslune]

4 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

I have used the powers of astrowhateverology and I confidently predict that this thread will be locked soon.

I had hoped to join you in your noble endeavor by using Rupert to kill this undead thing of a thread but instead he converted my dinner of Korean Ramen into a noodle mummy...sorry

[Herbert Sanders]

Let's have a bit of fun with something a bit more contemporary using the same method, maybe we can find evidence of the Orion solar cult within a bit closer to home...

 

The following picture is that of "De Nachtwacht", a famous Dutch painting by the painter Rembrandt van Rijn. 

 

Immediately one should notice what is going on here. The two major players in front are Saturn and Jupiter, Jupiter is getting shot. Jupiter (Orion, Osiris) is always sent back to the underworld. Notice also the spear carried by Jupiter, it is a hunter's spear pointing to the same thing, the man is Jupiter/Orion. On the left we see in red Mars and on the far left we have Mercury as notices by his winged helmet.

The assassin is a young man wearing a Spanish soldier helmet, in that same space we see a girl that is clothed like the Sun, she is given much light by the painter. The girl is witness to the event and behind the girl there is another girl who is a bit more veiled. These three characters are the Sun, the Moon and the Earth.

On the far left, beyond this painting there used to be another set of character. A copy of this painting exists dated 1715 CE which can be seen below:

Beyond the white lines on the left we can see a handsome man who is they only one not wearing a hat, that is Venus. Venus in this shot is put in a dark place, the fellow next to him is holding some kind of instrument  but I cannot make out what it is.

Another thing to note is the dog on the right, dogs (Canis Major) are always close to Orion.

Ok that's it.

Now let's see if we can match it...

The painting is made in 1642 CE, This year The Netherlands had a visible lunar eclipse in the sign of Pisces (death). A lunar eclipse is also known as a blood moon due to its reddish color. A blood moon would fit the scene of an assassination attempt. The date of the lunar eclipse was October 8th, 1642 CE, which has the following astrological chart to go with it:

 

This is the Mercator projection with the signs housing the planets highlighted:

 

• Far left Venus in Scorpio
• Next Mercury in Virgo
• Mars in Aries
• Blood Moon is Pisces
• Saturn in Pisces
• Jupiter in Aquarius

The order arrangement is the same!

It is interesting to note that Venus in Scorpio was cut off. Venus, also Lucifer, in Scorpio which is often connected to Judas Iscariot. The story is that the painting was cut for practical reasons. Perhaps the motives might have been different.

Now on the night of October the 8th, during the lunar eclipse. If one were to look south, he would see the following image:

 

For those who don't know the Dutch were quite a force in the 17th century, if the Orion cult were to operate somewhere still at that time, it would have been here..

 

This is not the Da Vinci Code, but the Van Rijn code 

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

.... but its definately not astrology. 

[Herbert Sanders]

4 minutes ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

.... but its definately not astrology. 

Nope it isnt. With astrology you are trying to predict the future. I merely use concepts for decoding, there is a difference. 

Basically de Nachtwacht is a more modern version of the Naram-Sin Victory Stele. The Dutch defeated Spain, lost their Prince, had their Golden Age. This painting shows all that.

Edited February 3, 2021 by Orestes_3113

[Hanslune]

3 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

.... but its definately not astrology. 

...yes a clear sciolist

All the paintings below were finished in 1642

Philippe de Champaigne – Portrait of Cardinal Richelieu

Maybe his hair points in the right directions?

Georges de La Tour - Joseph the Carpenter

Jusepe de Ribera - The Clubfoot

William Dobson - Charles II, when Prince of Wales, with a Page (approximate date)

Louis Le Nain - Peasant Family, or, The return from the baptism ("Happy Family")

Half length figure of Saskia in profile in a red hat

Salomon van Ruysdael – River Landscape

Gerard van Honthorst - Elizabeth Stuart, Queen of Bohemia, as a widow

 

Edited February 3, 2021 by Hanslune

[Rlyeh]

On 2/2/2021 at 4:29 AM, Orestes_3113 said:

If I have a painting and write things on it that happened, the picture itself is artist interpretation. Then the art could be anything. The theme is the same, war, and so we have a blend.

You have a painting which you completely ignored the accompanying explanation because it doesn't fit your narrative.

[Herbert Sanders]

6 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

You have a painting which you completely ignored the accompanying explanation because it doesn't fit your narrative.

 

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Militia Company of District II under the Command of Captain Frans Banninck Cocq, also known as The Shooting Company of Frans Banning Cocq and Willem van Ruytenburch, but commonly referred to as The Night Watch, is a 1642 painting by Rembrandt van Rijn.

Something tells me that meaning is layered. Tell you one thing, but show another. Two sides to a story.

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

1 hour ago, Hanslune said:

...yes a clear sciolist

All the paintings below were finished in 1642

Philippe de Champaigne – Portrait of Cardinal Richelieu

Maybe his hair points in the right directions?

That would be the cardinal directions.