US Coronavirus Cases Decreasing

[Peter B]

1 hour ago, and then said:

Let's NOT, prof... I have no intention of wasting my time with anyone here who rejects the very premise of Trump having been cheated or that Democrat governors have used this virus for political ends.  Believe as you will, frankly, I don't give a damn what you folks believe or not.  

Maybe they have.

But the fact remains that new case numbers are falling, in both red and blue states. In some cases the decrease started in November, in others December and in others January.

The same is happening in plenty of countries around the world - Argentina, Germany, the UK, Israel, Japan and South Korea among them.

Sure, not many people have yet been vaccinated. But if the decrease in new cases is not down to measures like mask-wearing, hand-washing and social distancing, then it suggests the success of the vaccines has been in them being given to the two major groups of people among whom the vaccine has spread the most - the elderly and health care workers.

In other words, this is a medical solution to a medical problem, not a new conspiracy theory.

[+joc]

9 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

Or maybe it is this....That all through the summer we have been told relentlessly....wear a mask...in the debates Biden waved a mask at us...wear a mask...he said.  

Poof...election over...in less than one month in the dead of winter...50% reduction...Now GD...even you must admit THAT sounds like High Quality Manufactured CT/BS.

Either that or CNN is the authority on everything and pure as the freaking driven snow.  If you believe that...you are completely CT yourself.

[+joc]

8 hours ago, psyche101 said:

What about the rest of the world?

I don't see how all the people who died in other countries have anything to do with the US elections.

That is because you are totally sucked into the WHO and CDC line...who was organized by the leading Community Organizer of the World...Barrack Hussein Obama. 

It had to be a World Wide Pandemic to pull off the election of Biden...unless you seriously think he would have won all by him little ole self.  The guy couldn't get 100 people to stop for free tickets to a White House Dinner Ball...the rest of the world...is a backdrop for the biggest fraud in the history of the world. 

[+joc]

1 hour ago, Peter B said:

But the fact remains that new case numbers are falling,

The numbers are manufactured.  It is so easy to do.  Question:  Where have all the flu cases gone?  CDC cannot tell us by their own admission the flu numbers for 2020...but they can tell us exactly how many Covid 19 cases there are ....hmmm....doesn't sound CTish to me...oh no, purrrrfectly norrrrmal.

[Peter B]

16 minutes ago, joc said:

That is because you are totally sucked into the WHO and CDC line...who was organized by the leading Community Organizer of the World...Barrack Hussein Obama. 

It had to be a World Wide Pandemic to pull off the election of Biden...unless you seriously think he would have won all by him little ole self.  The guy couldn't get 100 people to stop for free tickets to a White House Dinner Ball...the rest of the world...is a backdrop for the biggest fraud in the history of the world. 

And friends of Trump, such as Israeli PM Netanyahu, went along with it?

9 minutes ago, joc said:

The numbers are manufactured.  It is so easy to do.  Question:  Where have all the flu cases gone?  CDC cannot tell us by their own admission the flu numbers for 2020...but they can tell us exactly how many Covid 19 cases there are ....hmmm....doesn't sound CTish to me...oh no, purrrrfectly norrrrmal.

And where did the WHO get its figures from? Governments around the world. So why would friends of Trump like Netanyahu play along with this?

[Golden Duck]

31 minutes ago, joc said:

Or maybe it is this....That all through the summer we have been told relentlessly....wear a mask...in the debates Biden waved a mask at us...wear a mask...he said.  

Poof...election over...in less than one month in the dead of winter...50% reduction...Now GD...even you must admit THAT sounds like High Quality Manufactured CT/BS.

Either that or CNN is the authority on everything and pure as the freaking driven snow.  If you believe that...you are completely CT yourself.

First, what is the snide "even you" meant to mean?

What is the significance of winter?  Cases here dropped in winter.  The only time we've had a lockdown is when temperatures average 30C.

You're rationalising to fit your belief that masks are useless. This is the paradox of public health measures, when they work it looks like they shouldn't be implemented.

[+joc]

3 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

First, what is the snide "even you" meant to mean?

What is the significance of winter?  Cases here dropped in winter.  The only time we've had a lockdown is when temperatures average 30C.

You're rationalising to fit your belief that masks are useless. This is the paradox of public health measures, when they work it looks like they shouldn't be implemented.

even  you...was not meant to be snide...I'm just saying that your critical thinking skills are better than most...but your belief in the media narrative is strong...so...with your critical thinking skills, even you  should be able to see something hinky there.  

All I'm asking you and others to do is just take an objective view...walk away from what CNN is telling you...and think about it objectively. 

[+joc]

31 minutes ago, Peter B said:

And friends of Trump, such as Israeli PM Netanyahu, went along with it?

And where did the WHO get its figures from? Governments around the world. So why would friends of Trump like Netanyahu play along with this?

To be legit...it has to suck in the whole world...and it did...the numbers came from two websites...

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

These told us the numbers of every nation in the world...in real time...even The Isle of Man.  The first one told us how the numbers were rising exponentially.  And there was a video out there that was passed around...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg

[Katniss]

9 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

If the pandemic was concocted to get Trump, why Operation Warp Speed?

 

Or why Trump created a coronavirus task force and have Pence direct it. But I really don't think we will get an answer to any of that. Extreme degrees of paranioa blocks out simple logic.

[Golden Duck]

5 hours ago, joc said:

even  you...was not meant to be snide...I'm just saying that your critical thinking skills are better than most...but your belief in the media narrative is strong...so...with your critical thinking skills, even you  should be able to see something hinky there.  

All I'm asking you and others to do is just take an objective view...walk away from what CNN is telling you...and think about it objectively. 

CNN and I aren't even in the same hemisphere, unlike this pandemic.

Why did Cricket Australia cancel the tour to South Africa after Trump was gone?  His speech at Sardar Padel Stadium might've raised a chuckle; but, it wasn't un-presidential.  It doesn't fit the "get Trump" fantasy.

Those peddling this CT... what do they say about China's numbers - they really were that low?

Israelis held back SaNOtize to "get Trump" too?

SaNOtise is interesting in itself and you have to wonder why Trump toadies aren't out there talking about it.

Sometimes you call a coin-toss, and you don't need a reason why.

Edited February 16, 2021 by Golden Duck

[the13bats]

11 hours ago, and then said:

Let's NOT, prof... I have no intention of wasting my time with anyone here who rejects the very premise of Trump having been cheated or that Democrat governors have used this virus for political ends.  Believe as you will, frankly, I don't give a damn what you folks believe or not.  

 

 

Trump proved he lost a fair and square election any crying of him being cheated should be in the CT section.

[Trelane]

14 hours ago, psyche101 said:

A few posters claim that.

I'm not seeing it. Despite claims America has always been divided, it's never been as globally blatant as it has the last four years. A president that spreads CT rumours on twitter? I mean really, that's the leader of the alleged greatest nation on the planet? Refusing to attend inaugeration? How many presidents have been that childish and pathetic? 

I apologize if my post came off as a matter-of-fact. It was more just my opinion from my point of view.  The absurdity of the Trump presidency will be something studied for a long time for sure. The Trump presidency and the continued explosion and exploitation of social media platforms combined with mass media narratives have created the spilt in very definitive form. I agree that the perception of division seems more blatant over the last few years but it's always been there, just under the surface.

However for clarification,I was more alluding to the overall outside view and respect for the office as a result of the actions of those who have occupied it. The damage done by their actions have been compiling the absurdity since at least Watergate for modern context.

[moonman]

New personal rule - any idiot that claims covid is a conspiracy goes on the ignore list.

I should have instituted this long ago.

Edited February 16, 2021 by moonman

[OpenMindedSceptic]

The data is all botched up.

The pandemic is certainly over.  So figures will fall sooner or later.

PCR tests are way worse than Antigen tests but that aside for a moment, the rapid PCR tests have been rolled out in many areas of the world including the USA. The original tests weren't rapid PCR. So the figures aren't like for like. Rapid PCR will give marked drops in data compared to the longer PCR tests that don't use liquids.

But MSM says we need to be scared and fearful and locked up. Even if the courts in Netherlands have just stopped curfews. And it doesn't matter that the average age of death is over the average age of death normally.

Lockdowns are not needed any longer in the UK. It is why 63 MP's are threatening to vote against the whip who wish to continue restrictions. 

The truth is coming out bit by bit.

My predictions are also coming true. It is not a gloat, it is just the fact.  The new variants were a prediction. I also predicted there might be a new virus but it was also bird flu in the UK. I predicted a fall in numbers come Spring with a return to new normal by Easter. Vaccines or no vaccines that's the trend that was going to happen. 

Then I have predicted a rise in mid September into October in line with flu season. Mocked for it here by the MSM sheeple lovers. But then Matt Hancock in the UK using the phrasing "we are going to have to learn to live with this like flu". This from a man who has behavioural scientists on his SAGE committe scripting his briefings. 

That alone will tell you the numbers will fall soon and then rise again in the tail end of the year.

It has nothing to do with Trump. The powers that be thought Hillary would win. Trump was a bump in the road for a few years, that's all he was. 

[psyche101]

11 hours ago, joc said:

That is because you are totally sucked into the WHO and CDC line...who was organized by the leading Community Organizer of the World...Barrack Hussein Obama. 

It had to be a World Wide Pandemic to pull off the election of Biden...unless you seriously think he would have won all by him little ole self.  The guy couldn't get 100 people to stop for free tickets to a White House Dinner Ball...the rest of the world...is a backdrop for the biggest fraud in the history of the world. 

Yes, it was easy to for Biden to win. I'm honestly surprised it wasn't more of a landslide. Your undying loyalty to Trump is not world wide. Now you're just making up crazy stuff joc.

No, the world didn't have to have a pandemic to get Biden I'm the WH. Seriously, that's absolutely nuts. How would you back that up.

And as you don't listen to any news, would you not have to be making this up as you go along? How else would you come to such wild conclusions? You're pretty much saying people who don't think like you are wrong aren't you? Isn't that the very accusation you are firing at the media? 

I reckon Biden is ten times the man Trump could ever hope to be and he is already showing that. 

[psyche101]

3 hours ago, Trelane said:

I apologize if my post came off as a matter-of-fact. It was more just my opinion from my point of view.  The absurdity of the Trump presidency will be something studied for a long time for sure. The Trump presidency and the continued explosion and exploitation of social media platforms combined with mass media narratives have created the spilt in very definitive form. I agree that the perception of division seems more blatant over the last few years but it's always been there, just under the surface.

However for clarification,I was more alluding to the overall outside view and respect for the office as a result of the actions of those who have occupied it. The damage done by their actions have been compiling the absurdity since at least Watergate for modern context.

Fair enough but I can't say I agree. America has always had challenges but overcome them. In this case, there's no cohesion with the people. It's more divided than ever from what I've seen. The last four years had been detrimental to the people.

[psyche101]

1 hour ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

The data is all botched up.

The pandemic is certainly over.  So figures will fall sooner or later.

PCR tests are way worse than Antigen tests but that aside for a moment, the rapid PCR tests have been rolled out in many areas of the world including the USA. The original tests weren't rapid PCR. So the figures aren't like for like. Rapid PCR will give marked drops in data compared to the longer PCR tests that don't use liquids.

But MSM says we need to be scared and fearful and locked up. Even if the courts in Netherlands have just stopped curfews. And it doesn't matter that the average age of death is over the average age of death normally.

Lockdowns are not needed any longer in the UK. It is why 63 MP's are threatening to vote against the whip who wish to continue restrictions. 

The truth is coming out bit by bit.

My predictions are also coming true. It is not a gloat, it is just the fact.  The new variants were a prediction. I also predicted there might be a new virus but it was also bird flu in the UK. I predicted a fall in numbers come Spring with a return to new normal by Easter. Vaccines or no vaccines that's the trend that was going to happen. 

Then I have predicted a rise in mid September into October in line with flu season. Mocked for it here by the MSM sheeple lovers. But then Matt Hancock in the UK using the phrasing "we are going to have to learn to live with this like flu". This from a man who has behavioural scientists on his SAGE committe scripting his briefings. 

That alone will tell you the numbers will fall soon and then rise again in the tail end of the year.

It has nothing to do with Trump. The powers that be thought Hillary would win. Trump was a bump in the road for a few years, that's all he was. 

Measures are taking effect the vaccine is here to end the pandemic.

All I'm seeing is you were wrong all along, just as most posters predicted.

[+joc]

1 hour ago, psyche101 said:

Yes, it was easy to for Biden to win. I'm honestly surprised it wasn't more of a landslide. Your undying loyalty to Trump is not world wide. Now you're just making up crazy stuff joc.

No, the world didn't have to have a pandemic to get Biden I'm the WH. Seriously, that's absolutely nuts. How would you back that up.

And as you don't listen to any news, would you not have to be making this up as you go along? How else would you come to such wild conclusions? You're pretty much saying people who don't think like you are wrong aren't you? Isn't that the very accusation you are firing at the media? 

I reckon Biden is ten times the man Trump could ever hope to be and he is already showing that. 

Okay let me back it up.  It's called critical thinking.  Last election cycle...city after city after city, and the United States has a lot of them ...big ones...a lot of big cities...psyche we have more big cities in Texas alone than in the whole country of Australia...and we have 5 more million people in our state than in your entire country.  And the population of Texas is only about 1 tenth of the population of the United States.  City after city after city after city...all across the country (We'll leave out California, they are basically their own Socialist Country now)  Arena, after arena, after arena...filled to capacity with approximately Half of the country...day after day after day...Rock Star stuff...

And still the Media tells us that Hillary Clinton had  an 85% chance of beating him.  And they were all heartbroken when she lost.  And the Democrat Power Structure knew that this election cycle would be no different. 

But I'm wasting my breath here...and I'm not doing that anymore.   You cannot think because your thought process is clouded by hatred.   Not mine...yours.

[Scholar4Truth]

I didn't expect this to become a political thread/CT thread  just figured by sharing this information people would see there has been improvement in terms of Covid Cases and see it as good news. 

[Knob Oddy]

Has behavior actually changed in the US over the last 2 months to bring about such a reduction? 

 

I mean, something must have changed so that the infection rates have gone down. Did all the anti maskers die? Did they start wearing masks since Trump left office?

Is there any explanation other than "Biden is better at handling the pandemic". And if it's down to Biden, what specifically did he do?

[psyche101]

48 minutes ago, joc said:

Okay let me back it up.  It's called critical thinking. 

No it's not joc. Critical thinking involved facts about current affairs. It's not something one makes up as they go along. 

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Last election cycle...city after city after city, and the United States has a lot of them ...big ones...a lot of big cities...psyche we have more big cities in Texas alone than in the whole country of Australia...and we have 5 more million people in our state than in your entire country.  And the population of Texas is only about 1 tenth of the population of the United States.  City after city after city after city...all across the country (We'll leave out California, they are basically their own Socialist Country now)  Arena, after arena, after arena...filled to capacity with approximately Half of the country...day after day after day...Rock Star stuff...

And still the Media tells us that Hillary Clinton had  an 85% chance of beating him.  And they were all heartbroken when she lost.  And the Democrat Power Structure knew that this election cycle would be no different. 

Was the media correct?

Did Hillary beat Trump? 

No, so how is the media such a terrible influence when you have provided examples of them being flat out wrong? Nothing changed to support them. And yes, the media championed Hillary right to the very end 

The media didn't change a thing. 

The media had every right to expect a Clinton victory. Many people did. I know many people who were personally beyond surprise that Americans voted Trump in. 

Actual rock stars spoke out against him. Many threatened to leave the country. It's not evil of the media to make a prediction based on the popularity of people speaking out against Trump, and the amazing feat he managed to pull of by winning the election. 

 

Joc you just proved yourself wrong.

The media did champion Hillary. They did support her. It made no difference at all. 

What's the population got to do with that aspect? Didn't you say in another thread that some global corporate monster is in control of all countries? 

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But I'm wasting my breath here...and I'm not doing that anymore.   You cannot think because your thought process is clouded by hatred.   Not mine...yours.

I don't think so. I'm starting to think you're just projecting. The comments you have posted reek of hatred for and type of current affairs and the left as a whole. You just contradicted yourself above for a start. Dude, you have crossed over into CT country. I don't see how that's better than current affairs for media sources. It's the bottom of the barrel. 

[psyche101]

27 minutes ago, Hugh Mungus said:

Has behavior actually changed in the US over the last 2 months to bring about such a reduction? 

 

I mean, something must have changed so that the infection rates have gone down. Did all the anti maskers die? Did they start wearing masks since Trump left office?

Is there any explanation other than "Biden is better at handling the pandemic". And if it's down to Biden, what specifically did he do?

Just like it takes time to ramp up, it ramps down. There weren't thousands dying in a day at the start either. 

Biden is doing a Stirling job so far. Already showing himself to be a better president than Trump. 

[Hyperionxvii]

Oh noes, we need to come up with a new crisis and soon!

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

/H.L. Mencken.

[+joc]

5 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Joc you just proved yourself wrong.

The media did champion Hillary. They did support her. It made no difference at all. 

You missed my point.  If the Media could change things...they would.  They do try though very hard.  

The Point I was trying and have been trying to make is:   The media did champion Hillary. They did support her.   They Champion Democrats and support Democrats.  

That is the point.  They are not Non-biased.  They are Extremely Biased.  That's my point.  And...so are you.  Critical thinking comes from thinking.  Not from reading facts on Google. Not from listening to CNN or Rush Limbaugh or Talk Radio or MSNBC.  Critical thinking involves stepping back, looking at what you see and asking questions and finding answers that make sense.  

[psyche101]

5 minutes ago, joc said:

You missed my point.  If the Media could change things...they would.  They do try though very hard.  

No I didn't, you failed to make it. The media failed in your example, no matter how hard they tried, it didn't change the outcome.

They are not as powerful as you are saying by your own example.

5 minutes ago, joc said:

The Point I was trying and have been trying to make is:   The media did champion Hillary. They did support her.   They Champion Democrats and support Democrats.  

Nobody challenged that. Thing is it didn't help. They do not have the power you say they do or Hillary would have beat Trump.

5 minutes ago, joc said:

That is the point.  They are not Non-biased.  They are Extremely Biased.  That's my point.  And...so are you.  Critical thinking comes from thinking.  Not from reading facts on Google. Not from listening to CNN or Rush Limbaugh or Talk Radio or MSNBC.  Critical thinking involves stepping back, looking at what you see and asking questions and finding answers that make sense.  

None of them are. They, like any business, had a market to satisfy or they don't have a business. The people create the divide that creates that demand.

Anyone who takes one source as gospel is bound to find themselves at odds with facts on a regular basis.

More information is required to critically evaluate a situation. Not less.