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Dharmic Life compared to Atheistic Belief

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Crazy Horse

The Dharmic Way is the natural way, in the sense that it abides within Laws and Principles set in motion by GOD.

Atheistic belief is the rejection of any idea of GOD/God/gods and therefore of Religious and Spiritual thought too.

The affects upon the human being regarding each of these beliefs are many, but to start with, lets explore just one.

A dharma practitioner sees all phenomena as having a cause and as part of a chain reaction held unfailingly within certain laws. There is no accident.

The atheistic belief is one of chaos (chance) and accident, and ultimately an unfulfilling existence bound within the fleeting, Temporal Material world, Not to mention those unexplained mysteries of life, (Spirit), which are often ignored or simply ridiculed.

So, held within these two ideals are separate seeds.

One shall ultimately lead to hopelessness and depression, (if one actually believes in this atheistic Ideal) and all the subsequent problems issuing from this state of non-awareness.

And in the other hand, a belief in GOD and the Natural Way, shall eventually (if one actually believes) lead to hope, comfort and empowerment.

Please discuss with respect.

 

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eight bits
16 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

within the fleeting, Temporal Material world,

Be it ever so humble, there's no place like home.

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Just now, eight bits said:

Be it ever so humble, there's no place like home.

Absolutely.

This place is amazing.

But there is a HOME which is even more beautiful, that one might catch a glimpse of...

 

 

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quiXilver
1 hour ago, Crazy Horse said:

The atheistic belief is one of chaos (chance) and accident, and ultimately an unfulfilling existence bound within the fleeting, Temporal Material world

That is one whopper of an assumption mate.

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3 minutes ago, quiXilver said:

That is one whopper of an assumption mate.

The atheistic belief, if actually believed, is ultimately going to lead one towards a depressive and despondent state of mind. A state of mind where one is no longer in control.

Whether that is an obvious, conscious notion, or whether it is only held within the subconscious, is only a matter of degrees.

So if one feels that the individual may lead a totally fulfilled life, whilst having those thoughts weighing around ones neck, so to speak, then, so be it..

The Dharmic life on the other hand, has self-responsibility as the foundation, drawing strength and wisdom from GOD. 

These two, honestly compared, can only leave one with the certainty, that this atheistic belief cannot lead one to great satisfaction, nor to full enjoinment etc.

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Liquid Gardens
41 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

The atheistic belief, if actually believed, is ultimately going to lead one towards a depressive and despondent state of mind.

Why?  Why does having self-responsibility at the foundation of the Dharmic life philosophy lead one to not be depressed? I don't think those two things really correlate well or at all to each other. 

Maybe you are confusing simply being an atheist with losing religious belief and becoming an atheist.  Losing almost anything could be depressing, but a lot of atheists didn't come to atheism through that route.  Some people discover that trying to find fulfillment by believing in things that have no evidence for them is not at all fulfilling. 

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Well it seems that you are going to start off by flaming and baiting in the OP so not sure what you hope to accomplish with this thread. Atheists do not have a belief in god meaning they have no belief so your premise is flawed from start and shows a lack of understanding. Most of us accept religious people including friends that are religious and don't seem to have any friction in getting along and respecting them and offer respect in return. People with limited attitudes such as yourself don't see this of course because you have projected your biases consistently since joining here without learning anything because you think you need to save someone,

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2 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

The Dharmic Way is the natural way, in the sense that it abides within Laws and Principles set in motion by GOD.

Atheistic belief is the rejection of any idea of GOD/God/gods and therefore of Religious and Spiritual thought too.

The affects upon the human being regarding each of these beliefs are many, but to start with, lets explore just one.

A dharma practitioner sees all phenomena as having a cause and as part of a chain reaction held unfailingly within certain laws. There is no accident.

The atheistic belief is one of chaos (chance) and accident, and ultimately an unfulfilling existence bound within the fleeting, Temporal Material world, Not to mention those unexplained mysteries of life, (Spirit), which are often ignored or simply ridiculed.

So, held within these two ideals are separate seeds.

One shall ultimately lead to hopelessness and depression, (if one actually believes in this atheistic Ideal) and all the subsequent problems issuing from this state of non-awareness.

And in the other hand, a belief in GOD and the Natural Way, shall eventually (if one actually believes) lead to hope, comfort and empowerment.

Please discuss with respect.

 

Do you know every person that follows the Dharmic Way and every atheist? Because you are making some really broad assumptions about two groups of people there. And seeming to come down rather negative and not well informed about a lot of atheists. 

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30 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Why?  Why does having self-responsibility at the foundation of the Dharmic life philosophy lead one to not be depressed? I don't think those two things really correlate well or at all to each other. 

Maybe you are confusing simply being an atheist with losing religious belief and becoming an atheist.  Losing almost anything could be depressing, but a lot of atheists didn't come to atheism through that route.  Some people discover that trying to find fulfillment by believing in things that have no evidence for them is not at all fulfilling. 

If one takes self-responsibility within Natural Law, then one is empowered to actualise, manifest, a life which is peaceful, fulfilling, and virtuous, amongst many other things.

If on the other hand, one feels that ultimately, one is at the mercy of circumstance, then, to some degree or other, (it may only be a minor feeling to begin with) but in any event, one will feel disempowered.

There is an actual path that one may walk, to know for themselves what is real, and therefore helpful, and what isn't.

It is called the Natural Way, the Dharmic Life.

 

 

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Own your life. Live it the best you can. What will be, will be. 

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41 minutes ago, rashore said:

Do you know every person that follows the Dharmic Way and every atheist? Because you are making some really broad assumptions about two groups of people there. And seeming to come down rather negative and not well informed about a lot of atheists. 

These "assumptions" are the only reasonable out-come for anybody who actually believes that there is a thing called chance.

In contrast, if one knows the Law of Karma for instance, then one may take full control of ones life.  And even in the hardest of conditions, one may find great comfort and joy.

It is the belief system being discussed here, rather then specific individuals, yet, to some degree or other, each and every atheist shall be affected negatively by this belief.

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@Crazy Horse   I think there is some general truth in what you said. The Dharmic Way is a more positive/life-affirming philosophy than atheistic-materialism. However at the ground level of life, I think one's personality type and attitude are also a major determiner of happiness. It seems a well-adjusted atheist-materialist manages to effectively come to grips with their less positive view of the universe and their short place in it.

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Liquid Gardens
11 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

If one takes self-responsibility within Natural Law, then one is empowered to actualise, manifest, a life which is peaceful, fulfilling, and virtuous, amongst many other things.

There is absolutely nothing preventing an atheist from having the same empowerment.  I don't know what 'within Natural Law' adds to that statement, but we could also say that taking self-responsibility can increase one's stress levels and possibly increase depression.

12 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

If on the other hand, one feels that ultimately, one is at the mercy of circumstance, then, to some degree or other, (it may only be a minor feeling to begin with) but in any event, one will feel disempowered.

I think you are confused and don't know what you are talking about with regards to atheists.   If you believe in a typical God then you are entirely at the mercy of its whim, which I don't see any different from being at the mercy of circumstance, and thus you are also disempowered.  Being disempowered is only distressing if you feel the need to empowered; you are making bad assumptions about what the needs are of other people, apparently based on your own needs.  Atheists are empowered with respect to all the things you are also empowered, we just don't pretend that we are empowered over things that no one has any power over, like death, ultimate 'meaning' of existence, etc.  

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Crazy Horse
1 hour ago, jmccr8 said:

Well it seems that you are going to start off by flaming and baiting in the OP so not sure what you hope to accomplish with this thread. Atheists do not have a belief in god meaning they have no belief so your premise is flawed from start and shows a lack of understanding. Most of us accept religious people including friends that are religious and don't seem to have any friction in getting along and respecting them and offer respect in return. People with limited attitudes such as yourself don't see this of course because you have projected your biases consistently since joining here without learning anything because you think you need to save someone,

jmccr8

No belief in GOD or anything pertaining to religious or spiritual matters, is still a belief. It is a belief in chance over order. Of accident instead of self knowledge.

Dharma practitioners on the other hand, know that there is no such thing as chance, and are therefore more likely to gravitate to a self-reliant life. Blaming no one but themselves for any bumps in the road, and yet, with this attitude, even those bumps become great opportunities for learning and growth and even laughter and joy..

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XenoFish
16 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

No belief in GOD or anything pertaining to religious or spiritual matters, is still a belief. It is a belief in chance over order. Of accident instead of self knowledge.

Dharma practitioners on the other hand, know that there is no such thing as chance, and are therefore more likely to gravitate to a self-reliant life. Blaming no one but themselves for any bumps in the road, and yet, with this attitude, even those bumps become great opportunities for learning and growth and even laughter and joy..

So they're basically atheist.

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Crazy Horse
33 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Own your life. Live it the best you can. What will be, will be. 

To own ones life and to therefore make the most of it, ones needs to understand the Universal Laws and Principles.

And before one may understand them, one must recognise them first. 

The Universal Principle of Cause and Effect being very helpful to know, for oneself.

 

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XenoFish
1 minute ago, Crazy Horse said:

To own ones life and to therefore make the most of it, ones needs to understand the Universal Laws and Principles.

And before one may understand them, one must recognise them first. 

The Universal Principle of Cause and Effect being very helpful to know, for oneself.

 

Not really. Plenty of people just live life. No need to overcomplicate it. 

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33 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

@Crazy Horse   I think there is some general truth in what you said. The Dharmic Way is a more positive/life-affirming philosophy than atheistic-materialism. However at the ground level of life, I think one's personality type and attitude are also a major determiner of happiness. It seems a well-adjusted atheist-materialist manages to effectively come to grips with their less positive view of the universe and their short place in it.

It all depends upon the level of belief, in either camp, to what effect they shall have.

Some dharmic practitioners may have very little belief in GOD, more style than substance, and therefore have little in the way of a genuine practice, or knowledge.

And some atheists may have a "sunny disposition" which in truth, could be made even brighter.

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36 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

There is absolutely nothing preventing an atheist from having the same empowerment.  I don't know what 'within Natural Law' adds to that statement, but we could also say that taking self-responsibility can increase one's stress levels and possibly increase depression.

I think you are confused and don't know what you are talking about with regards to atheists.   If you believe in a typical God then you are entirely at the mercy of its whim, which I don't see any different from being at the mercy of circumstance, and thus you are also disempowered.  Being disempowered is only distressing if you feel the need to empowered; you are making bad assumptions about what the needs are of other people, apparently based on your own needs.  Atheists are empowered with respect to all the things you are also empowered, we just don't pretend that we are empowered over things that no one has any power over, like death, ultimate 'meaning' of existence, etc.  

If one believes in chance, then one is disempowered.

If one knows GOD, then one is empowered.

And this pathway to Knowledge is self-reliance, moral conduct, and duty.

 

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Crazy Horse
15 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

So they're basically atheist.

A dharma practitioner is self-reliant, and responsible for ones own actions, part of which is to know GOD for themselves, after which one becomes empowered by truth, wisdom, humility, joy and fearlessness.

In fact, the closer one gets to GOD, the more one is empowered by the Attributes of GOD, which are Immense.

So after this duty to self, life in reality becomes duty to other.

 

 

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Crazy Horse
17 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Not really. Plenty of people just live life. No need to overcomplicate it. 

Hardly an overcomplication. (cause and effect).

 

 

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rashore
1 hour ago, Crazy Horse said:

These "assumptions" are the only reasonable out-come for anybody who actually believes that there is a thing called chance.

In contrast, if one knows the Law of Karma for instance, then one may take full control of ones life.  And even in the hardest of conditions, one may find great comfort and joy.

It is the belief system being discussed here, rather then specific individuals, yet, to some degree or other, each and every atheist shall be affected negatively by this belief.

I believe in chance... and I don't think it's a reasonable outcome to assume atheists are negatively affected because of where they fall on the belief spectrum. I know folks all over the spectrum, from full on fervent into the big G, other's with other monotheistic deities, others with other pantheons or just agnostic heathens, Satanists, atheists, folks that say they worship a deity and really worship things like money, entertainment, politics, society climbing, career goals... 

Atheists don't seem to have much more negativity because they don't believe in deities than folks that do believe in deities. They just handle their negativity without a deity system as a required framework. They handle their positivity and everything else without needing a deity system either. 

Some folks need/believe in deities, some don't need/believe in deities. 

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5 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

It all depends upon the level of belief, in either camp, to what effect they shall have.

Some dharmic practitioners may have very little belief in GOD, more style than substance, and therefore have little in the way of a genuine practice, or knowledge.

And some atheists may have a "sunny disposition" which in truth, could be made even brighter.

True that, but for us philosophical types the acceptance of the Dharmic Way over the atheist-materialist outlook requires some evidence. A philosophical person will not have true inner peace on the subject if he feels he is lying to himself (about GOD and spirituality) if he is not intellectually convinced. 

For me it is the evidence from the paranormal that led me to a grander view of reality than is recognized in the atheistic-materialist view. I accept generally what you call the Dharmic Way intellectually from my cumulative studies.

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Liquid Gardens
12 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

If one believes in chance, then one is disempowered.

If one knows GOD, then one is empowered.

False. 

(see how easy it is to just declare things when you don't have to back anything up?)

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