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Humanity has been able reach distant vistas, such as the Moon, the deep oceans, and the wild expanses at Earth’s poles. Now, scientists have made a new breakthrough in the exploration of a very different type of frontier—the hallucinatory world inside dreams.

An international team of researchers was able to achieve real-time dialogues with people in the midst of lucid dreams, a phenomenon that is called “interactive dreaming,” according to a study published on Thursday in Current Biology. 

Participants in the study were able to correctly respond to questions, such as simple math problems, while they were deep in the throes of rapid-eye movement (REM) sleep. The research reveals a “relatively unexplored communication channel” that could enable “a new strategy for the empirical exploration of dreams,” the study reports.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/4admym/scientists-achieve-real-time-communication-with-lucid-dreamers-in-breakthrough

https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(21)00059-2

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John from Lowell

Hi,

Interactive dreaming sounds a lot like telepathic shared dreams to me. It is true that these things are indeed unexplored.

Reality is often stranger than fiction. It is nice to know these studies are being made.

John

 

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moonman

So asking someone what 2+2 is and getting an answer while they are asleep is somehow a big deal? It's not like your brain and ears shut down when you go to sleep, people sleep talk all the time. I've had whole conversations with people who are asleep.

I don't see the big deal, at all. It happens, and it's no "breakthrough". May as well call hypnosis miraculous at this point.

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preacherman76
On 2/19/2021 at 12:14 PM, moonman said:

So asking someone what 2+2 is and getting an answer while they are asleep is somehow a big deal? It's not like your brain and ears shut down when you go to sleep, people sleep talk all the time. I've had whole conversations with people who are asleep.

I don't see the big deal, at all. It happens, and it's no "breakthrough". May as well call hypnosis miraculous at this point.

Please don't take offense, but would it be safe to say you are a glass is half empty kinda guy?

 

Anyhow, that really cool. Wonder what else they are experimenting with when it comes to dreams?

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Rolci
On 2/19/2021 at 5:14 PM, moonman said:

I've had whole conversations with people who are asleep.

Nice anecdote. I'd be interested to hear how you made 100% sure they were actually sleeping and their mind wasn't awake with their eyes simply closed. Do you have any proof they were sleeping?

Of course one is not SUPPOSED to know what 2+2 is in their sleep, the rational mind is turned OFF in sleep. Otherwise when you see a monster in your dream you'd know it's not real and no one would have nightmares, right? Are you suggesting everyone's rational mind is on during sleep and people who claim nightmares are simply lying?

The big deal here is lucid dreamers' ability to activate the rational mind during the sleep state. It's something no one else has demonstrated being able to do. And I thought this was easy to comprehend even for common folk.

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razman
26 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

Please don't take offense, but would it be safe to say you are a glass is half empty kinda guy?

The way i see the glass is half full or half empty kind of thing is ...............   If it starts out empty and you fill it half way , then its half full. If it starts out full and you pour half out or drink half , then its half empty. :)

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Tom1200
On 2/19/2021 at 5:14 PM, moonman said:

May as well call hypnosis miraculous at this point.

Miraculous?  Vile, nefarious Satanism, more like.  A sorcerer lulls his unsuspecting victim into a trance that allows devils and demons to possess him and make him... do things.  Like forget his name, or think he's a washing machine.  Or forget his anniversary (that excuse really didn't go down very well).  It's monstrous!  As John Dee once told me - never trust a man whose name rhymes with Drown.

On 2/19/2021 at 5:14 PM, moonman said:

So asking someone what 2+2 is and getting an answer while they are asleep is somehow a big deal? It's not like your brain and ears shut down when you go to sleep, people sleep talk all the time. I've had whole conversations with people who are asleep.

Ditto.  And in reverse - I've been 'woken' from a deep sleep and had an apparently lucid chat that I have no recollection of.  So - was I awake?  asleep?  mesmerised?  possessed by Lucifer's minions?  

(It was actually "what is eight minus six?"  That's way harder than two plus two.  For me at least.)

On 2/19/2021 at 3:28 PM, John from Lowell said:

Interactive dreaming sounds a lot like telepathic shared dreams to me.

It's nothing of the sort.  It sounds, like moonman said, some of us can hear in our sleep and react to simple questions.  In this study by flicking their eyes left-right during REM.  What's that got to do with telepathy?  

On 2/19/2021 at 3:28 PM, John from Lowell said:

It is true that these things are indeed unexplored.

Yes, very true, and with good reason.

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moonman
1 hour ago, Rolci said:

Nice anecdote. I'd be interested to hear how you made 100% sure they were actually sleeping and their mind wasn't awake with their eyes simply closed. Do you have any proof they were sleeping?

I know because in one instance I woke them up after the conversation (it was a very strange talk so I suspected) and they didn't remember what we just talked about a few seconds previous. There are other examples that I won't get into, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know they were asleep, and I'm not stupid enough to think it was something that only happens when I'm around. It has to be common.

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godnodog
3 hours ago, Rolci said:

Nice anecdote. I'd be interested to hear how you made 100% sure they were actually sleeping and their mind wasn't awake with their eyes simply closed. Do you have any proof they were sleeping?

Of course one is not SUPPOSED to know what 2+2 is in their sleep, the rational mind is turned OFF in sleep. Otherwise when you see a monster in your dream you'd know it's not real and no one would have nightmares, right? Are you suggesting everyone's rational mind is on during sleep and people who claim nightmares are simply lying?

The big deal here is lucid dreamers' ability to activate the rational mind during the sleep state. It's something no one else has demonstrated being able to do. And I thought this was easy to comprehend even for common folk.

actually I rarely have nightmares because way to often I have lucid dreams, I often wake up tired. the best part of lucid dreams is the detail of stuff, for example I can see the small details in people's faces, and in nightmares I can always fight back with "this is a dream and I will beat you or at least not be defeated. Overall it's a mixed experience, nice when occasionally, bad when often. also its quite frequent to "see" bizarre stuff, and think that's not how physics works and suddenly you realize its connected to something you've experienced while awake, so yes our rational mind does not shut down completely.

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Jon the frog

Interesting stuff ! My wife talk a lot during sleep, sometime answer to questions but nothing make any sense most of the time or it wake her up... she never remember the interaction tho.

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