+Nuclear Wessel Posted February 24, 2021 #201 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Just now, Crazy Horse said: A lack of a belief in GOD, is still a belief that there is no GOD, whether one is actively interested or not. Nope. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted February 24, 2021 #202 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Just now, Crazy Horse said: A lack of a belief in GOD, is still a belief that there is no GOD, whether one is actively interested or not. The negation of belief is not a belief. It's its complement. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted February 24, 2021 #203 Share Posted February 24, 2021 https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/about-atheism/#:~:text=Atheism is one thing%3A A lack of belief in gods.&text=It is simply a rejection,lack of belief in gods. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted February 24, 2021 #204 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 minute ago, XenoFish said: https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/about-atheism/#:~:text=Atheism is one thing%3A A lack of belief in gods.&text=It is simply a rejection,lack of belief in gods. Do you really expect Horseman to read that? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted February 24, 2021 #205 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Golden Duck said: The negation of belief is not a belief. It's its complement. To not to believe in GOD, is a belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted February 24, 2021 #206 Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: To not to believe in GOD, is a belief. How? A non-belief is a belief? Edited February 24, 2021 by Nuclear Wessel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted February 24, 2021 #207 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Just now, Crazy Horse said: To not to believe in GOD, is a belief. Just as True does not equal Not True, Belief does not equal Not Belief. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted February 24, 2021 #208 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Nuclear Wessel said: How? A non-belief is still a belief. A belief doesn't just have to be for a positive, "I do believe", it is equally right in the use, "I don't believe". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted February 24, 2021 #209 Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: A non-belief is still a belief. - Crazy Horse, 2021 Gonna get that on a mug. Edited February 24, 2021 by Nuclear Wessel 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted February 24, 2021 #210 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Just now, Golden Duck said: Just as True does not equal Not True, Belief does not equal Not Belief. Look, an atheist doesn't believe in GOD. It says it right there on the tin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted February 24, 2021 #211 Share Posted February 24, 2021 24 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: A lack of a belief in GOD, is still a belief that there is no GOD, whether one is actively interested or not. I don’t think so. I think you are thinking of the claim that there is no God, as some atheists do claim, as a belief. In that sense, to say I don’t think God exists could be considered a belief, like its opposite. But, believing and not believing are not the same things. A person who believes God exists, will generally have some behaviors associated with that belief. Maybe a believer will go to church, say prayers, get baptized, read the Bible, etc, and these behaviors are associated with believing. “He must be a good Christian, he goes to church every Sunday and Wednesday evening, etc.”. A person who does not believe will generally not engage in those things because to them they are not meaningful. So, that is the distinction I would offer. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted February 24, 2021 #212 Share Posted February 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, Guyver said: I don’t think so. I think you are thinking of the claim that there is no God, as some atheists do claim, as a belief. In that sense, to say I don’t think God exists could be considered a belief, like its opposite. But, believing and not believing are not the same things. A person who believes God exists, will generally have some behaviors associated with that belief. Maybe a believer will go to church, say prayers, get baptized, read the Bible, etc, and these behaviors are associated with believing. “He must be a good Christian, he goes to church every Sunday and Wednesday evening, etc.”. A person who does not believe will generally not engage in those things because to them they are not meaningful. So, that is the distinction I would offer. Exactly. This is what I have been saying through-out this whole thread, that certain beliefs, and non-beliefs, shall lead one in a particular direction. And, that the belief that GOD doesn't exist, shall lead one in the opposite direction to one who does believe, although in truth, there is huge cross-over area for those who are nominal within each view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted February 24, 2021 #213 Share Posted February 24, 2021 25 minutes ago, Guyver said: I don’t think so. I think you are thinking of the claim that there is no God, as some atheists do claim, as a belief. In that sense, to say I don’t think God exists could be considered a belief, like its opposite. But, believing and not believing are not the same things. A person who believes God exists, will generally have some behaviors associated with that belief. Maybe a believer will go to church, say prayers, get baptized, read the Bible, etc, and these behaviors are associated with believing. “He must be a good Christian, he goes to church every Sunday and Wednesday evening, etc.”. A person who does not believe will generally not engage in those things because to them they are not meaningful. So, that is the distinction I would offer. I've just noticed this.. And I have a question. Why exactly would one claim something, if they didn't believe it to be true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted February 24, 2021 #214 Share Posted February 24, 2021 58 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said: Do you really expect Horseman to read that? No, but anyone else who isn't a member might. I don't have any expectations regarding the horseman. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted February 24, 2021 #215 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Just now, XenoFish said: No, but anyone else who isn't a member might. I don't have any expectations regarding the horseman. Is that my new nick-name? Ahh, thanks guys.. I didn't realise you cared..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted February 24, 2021 #216 Share Posted February 24, 2021 41 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: Look, an atheist doesn't believe in GOD. It says it right there on the tin. You're attempting obfuscate with the use of contractions and a use of fonts to alter semantics. What it actually say on the tin is: An atheist does not believe in GOD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted February 24, 2021 #217 Share Posted February 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: Is that my new nick-name? Ahh, thanks guys.. I didn't realise you cared..... Horseman is easier for me to type than Crazy Horse lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted February 24, 2021 #218 Share Posted February 24, 2021 5 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: Is that my new nick-name? Ahh, thanks guys.. I didn't realise you cared..... Don't worry. I have a better one but I can't post it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted February 24, 2021 #219 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 minute ago, XenoFish said: Don't worry. I have a better one but I can't post it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted February 24, 2021 #220 Share Posted February 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted February 24, 2021 #221 Share Posted February 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: You're attempting obfuscate with the use of contractions and a use of fonts to alter semantics. What it actually say on the tin is: An atheist does not believe in GOD Well if anyone knows about obfuscations.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted February 24, 2021 #222 Share Posted February 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Don't worry. I have a better one but I can't post it. NO, no, the horseman is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted February 24, 2021 #223 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Crazy Horse said: Well if anyone knows about obfuscations.. Can you tell us how it's done? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted February 24, 2021 #224 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Just now, Crazy Horse said: Well if anyone knows about obfuscations.. Would say exactly what you said rather than "I am rubber. You are glue." 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted February 24, 2021 #225 Share Posted February 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Can you tell us how it's done? I only deal with the truth, XboxBoy.. Hope you like your new nick-name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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