Davros of Skaro Posted February 26, 2021 #1 Share Posted February 26, 2021 The Christian world is canceling once beloved apologist. "The influential evangelist Ravi Zacharias, who died last spring, engaged in “sexting, unwanted touching, spiritual abuse, and rape,” according to a report released on Thursday by the global evangelical organization he founded." https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/us/ravi-zacharias-sexual-abuse.html 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eight bits Posted February 26, 2021 #2 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Where are you going with this, Davros? Personally, I never saw the attraction in RZ in the first place. Yet another media personality turns out to be a sinner of one sort or another. Yeah, Christian media personality. Meh, power corrupts? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros of Skaro Posted February 26, 2021 Author #3 Share Posted February 26, 2021 11 hours ago, eight bits said: Where are you going with this, Davros? Personally, I never saw the attraction in RZ in the first place. Yet another media personality turns out to be a sinner of one sort or another. Yeah, Christian media personality. Meh, power corrupts? I waited a couple weeks to bring this to light here on UM. Just saying. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markdohle Posted March 1, 2021 #4 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Power corrupts, end of the story When those in power forget that they are servants, then we get into trouble. Has no real effect on me. Though I feel for his victims. Peace Mark 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted March 1, 2021 #5 Share Posted March 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, markdohle said: Power corrupts, end of the story When those in power forget that they are servants, then we get into trouble. Has no real effect on me. Though I feel for his victims. Peace Mark I was vaguely aware of the name, knew nothing more about him. IMO, from what I've gleaned from scripture, anyone who uses the word to cheat, steal or otherwise harm others, ESPECIALLY if it drives them away from faith, has a far worse future ahead when they go to meet the Lord. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros of Skaro Posted March 1, 2021 Author #6 Share Posted March 1, 2021 3 hours ago, markdohle said: Power corrupts, end of the story When those in power forget that they are servants, then we get into trouble. Has no real effect on me. Though I feel for his victims. Peace Mark 3 hours ago, and then said: I was vaguely aware of the name, knew nothing more about him. IMO, from what I've gleaned from scripture, anyone who uses the word to cheat, steal or otherwise harm others, ESPECIALLY if it drives them away from faith, has a far worse future ahead when they go to meet the Lord. Thank you both for your inputs. Zechariah 13:8-9 "8 In the whole land, says the LORD, two-thirds shall be cut off and perish, and one-third shall be left alive. 9 And I will put this third into the fire, refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on my name, and I will answer them. I will say, "They are my people"; and they will say, "The LORD is our God."' 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted March 1, 2021 #7 Share Posted March 1, 2021 Yes, it’s that terrible “cancel culture” of saying someone’s a **** but with all the bravery of waiting for them to be dead. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eight bits Posted March 1, 2021 #8 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, President Wearer of Hats said: Yes, it’s that terrible “cancel culture” of saying someone’s a **** but with all the bravery of waiting for them to be dead. I'm not a fan of "cancel culture," but RZ's death wasn't the biggest factor here. He was very much alive when he settled the lawsuit(s) with the Canadian couple. That was under a non-disclosure agreement (still in effect, I'm told), but enough had already been made public before the settlement to know that sexual misconduct was an element of the accusations against him. I am not disputing that death is sometimes a factor. For example, it is clear that Morton Smith, a powerful Ivy league professor, was only sporadically accused of forgery until after he died (secret mark morton smith, searchable). Now it's a "mainstream" position (although IMO still uncertain). On the one hand, his position of power in life plausibly inhibited accusers, on the other hand, he held that position because of his ability to make an argument effectively, and so to defend himself as needed. Either way, it is easier to accuse him now that he's dead. The latest accusers in the RZ case include people whose testimony was actively sought by the investigators hired by the ministry. It really doesn't seem like "bravery" entered into it post-mortem. To all appearances, there were people who simply resigned themselves to RZ getting away with misconduct, and felt that there was nothing to be gained by coming forward. When asked to speak, well then, yes, they had something to say. Edited March 1, 2021 by eight bits 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted March 13, 2021 #9 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Quote who died last spring, Not soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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