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Mandatory Vaccination, Double Edge sword

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psyche101
2 hours ago, bee said:

 

It's sickening the way the trust of the General Public is abused - first they are scared half to death - quite deliberately - as a preparation for this mass vaccination programme and then they willingly and trustingly get the vaccine without knowing what's in it or how it might affect them short term and long term...

 

 

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ouija ouija
32 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

 

With all medical treatments there are chances of complications, has the medical community hidden this from the world?

To date the issues with this vaccine have been made public, if that was not the case I would agree with you. In fact people are very confused and they are looking for answers, as long as the pro's and the con's are equally being made public it gives people the choice to decide.

Like I asked you before and you failed to answer do you have any legitimate proof of the previous comments you made? 

What is the legitimate proof you have that all issues with the vaccine have been made public? Yes, people are choosing, and it would appear that 30% - 40% are choosing not to have the vaccination . . . . given the information that is available.

27 minutes ago, Susanc241 said:

Why do we not get the same high level of distrust of the flu vaccine we are offered every year?

I have had all the usual vaccines given since the 1950s.  The polio one was probably the first for me personally.  I had the measles as a child (6 or 7) and had to be nursed in a darkened room to reduce the danger of eye damage.  I had scarlet fever  aged 5 (a high mortality rate in the 50s), chickenpox, rubella, mumps and whooping cough, that last being a particularly unpleasant illness. I was 15 at the time so remember it clearly.  And glandular fever (severe) though rather later than most at aged 40.   In short, I would not want to wish any of these diseases or any others like hepatitis etc on any child if a vaccine can prevent an infection altogether or reduce it to a much more mild version.

It seems to me whole swathes of populations are so paranoid about anything and everything they leave no room to get on with living their lives.  Sad, so very sad. 

Well, in fact a lot of people are mistrustful of the annual flu vaccine(I have never had one), not least because it makes so many ill. Also, it seems every year that the jab is not the right one for the flu varient that comes along or two varients appear over the course of a winter.

'Whole swathes of populations' are paranoid because actual events have made them that way! Remember the French knowingly giving blood contaminated with Aids to people who needed blood transfusions, without informing the recipients? What about the American Tuskegee study which left African American men with untreated syphilis for 40 years, under the guise of giving them free health care? These are just two examples which happened in my lifetime. If governments and/or scientists want to test something on a population, then by golly they will, regardless of the consequences. They will confidently take risks on our behalf, without informing us.
 

6 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

I must disagree with you, a conspiracy theory is based upon personal beliefs without supporting facts, that is not looking at both sides of the coin. Uninformed people are not sheep, with all the misinformation on this subject the people you choose to call sheep are merely people who don't know what to believe. Promoting Conspiracy Theories is actual more dangerous than the vaccine itself, and it could cost people's lives just as easily.

Playing the devils advocate is fine, if you have some form of proof to justify doing so. But, to do so because of a personal opinion or a conspiracy theory with no medical documentation to justify it is not playing the devils advocate. It is however sowing confusion and mistrust which could become deadly in a situation like we are dealing with right now.

Above you say when it all goes horribly wrong, so like I said in my previous post you have already chosen to believe the worst possible out come. I never said that choosing the best possible out come was the answer, but with the multiple millions of vaccines given worldwide how many negative outcomes have there been to positive outcomes?

You say the Scientists can't be trust 100%, do you believe that is because they are intentionally trying to deceive the worlds people?

If you personally felt that you had a heart problem who would you consult a auto mechanic or a cardiologist? 

 

And I disagree with what you say. :)

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ouija ouija
32 minutes ago, keithisco said:

Most drugs go through a 4 year cycle to approval (not 10yrs as you state). The reson is that testing is always sequential and not concurrently tested to reduce the financial impact in any one Financial Year. In the case of the western pharmaceutical response these have gone through a massive, concurrent test regime with multiple samples in several countries and across all ethnicities. This is why the vaccines have been produced rapidly. Potential vaccines that have shown not to be efficacious have been dropped (Sanofi is one such) from mass production until such a time as their anti-viral "recipe" has been improved.

No-one is being forced to take the vaccine on offer, but there will be consequence, If I refuse certain vaccines then I am prohibited from visiting specific countries. The choice, as always, is yours.

Not sure where you got 4yrs from; 10 seems to be the accepted average, 6 - 7yrs minimum. Over this longer period of time more adverse effects may appear. Not all effects are immediate.

'The choice, as always, is yours'! :lol: It's funny that you think you have choices, when in fact you are simply being manoeuvred into doing what the government wants you to do. 

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Setton
3 hours ago, bee said:

 

Clearly there is an agenda behind the push for mass vaccination for a virus that the vast majority recover from without medical intervention - it isn't to do with governments caring about the health of their citizens or they would be looking more at the prevention and cure using drugs like Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine -.... in fact alternatives to the experimental vaccine are actively shunned and trashed to try to keep the populations on track for the 'vaccine' ......

If there are serious problems arising from the experimental 'vaccine' it will be too late for most people as there appears to be a big rush to get as much of the world 'done' before the results come in - 

No one will be held responsible and there will be no come back and in these very early days there are concerns about the whole situation -

 

for example... in this case it looks like the 'vaccine' has done the opposite to what it's meant to ... introducing the virus (or making the recipients more likely to get it!

 

https://vaccineimpact.com/2021/two-nuns-dead-and-28-covid-positive-2-days-after-experimental-covid-mrna-injections/

 

 

 

I'm curious, how do you think a vaccine z which does not contain any of the virus, can give someone that virus?

You don't think the far more likely explanation is that they had the vaccine then caught covid elsewhere in the time between it being administered and becoming effective?

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Setton
7 hours ago, Great Old Man said:

In this situation, vaccine has Infertility effect, 

How?

Please go through, with appropriate references, the mechanism by which an mRNA vaccine can impact fertility.

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keithisco
41 minutes ago, ouija ouija said:

Not sure where you got 4yrs from; 10 seems to be the accepted average, 6 - 7yrs minimum. Over this longer period of time more adverse effects may appear. Not all effects are immediate.

'The choice, as always, is yours'! :lol: It's funny that you think you have choices, when in fact you are simply being manoeuvred into doing what the government wants you to do. 

Not sure where you get "10 (yrs) seems to be the accepted average, 6 - 7yrs minimum." from. Care to share your sources? I have already explained how such testing can be accelerated but you choose to ignore this. 

I have nothing more to add to this thread. CT'ers can just get on with their own lives in their own way

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ouija ouija
39 minutes ago, keithisco said:

Not sure where you get "10 (yrs) seems to be the accepted average, 6 - 7yrs minimum." from. Care to share your sources? I have already explained how such testing can be accelerated but you choose to ignore this. 

I have nothing more to add to this thread. CT'ers can just get on with their own lives in their own way

Just google something like 'how long do clinical trials take' and look through as many results as you like.

And I have explained to you how acceleration is not necessarily a good thing.

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keithisco
1 hour ago, ouija ouija said:

Just google something like 'how long do clinical trials take' and look through as many results as you like.

And I have explained to you how acceleration is not necessarily a good thing.

NO, NO you have not. You've just posted CT'er nonsense.

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Trelane

I get a different vaccine every couple of months due to my position in the US Army. Anthrax, yellow fever and such.

Alas I've had no effects of infertility, no third eyeball growing on my back, no hair loss, no side effects at all. So what's all the hub-bub....Bub?

Anyway, it's interesting to see the stance and opinions of so many different people from around the world. Very interesting.

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Katniss
1 hour ago, Trelane said:

Alas I've had no effects of infertility, no third eyeball growing on my back, no hair loss, no side effects at all.

 

Me neither. :)

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So what's all the hub-bub....Bub?

Some of it's anxiety and paranoia.

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Trelane
2 hours ago, Katniss said:

Me neither. :)

Some of it's anxiety and paranoia.

Mostly conditioned paranoia from my observation.

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Obviousman
12 hours ago, ouija ouija said:

Also, it seems every year that the jab is not the right one for the flu varient that comes along or two varients appear over the course of a winter.

Can we predict flu outbreaks?

https://www.popsci.com/can-we-predict-flu-outbreaks/

You should get the flu shot—even if it won’t keep you from getting sick

https://www.popsci.com/you-should-get-flu-shot/.

How CDC Uses Flu Forecasting

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/flusight/how-flu-forecasting.htm 

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Golden Duck
48 minutes ago, Hyperionxvii said:

Nice to know that you've decided that Americans are no long supposed to be able to exercise their constitutionally guaranteed rights. I'm sure that's really going to affect you in 'QUEENSLANDER', wherever that is. But thank you for your honest opinion. 

The OP is from ROK. What has 2A got to do with this thread? 

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Obviousman
Just now, Golden Duck said:

The OP is from ROK. What has 2A got to do with this thread? 

Because it's my goddamn RIGHT to own nuclear weapons! The Second Amendment guarantees it! Stop oppressing me!

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Hyperionxvii
1 minute ago, Golden Duck said:

The OP is from ROK. What has 2A got to do with this thread? 

Why don't you ask the person who brought it up? It's not like I don't know what is and has been going on in South Korea in my life. My best friend from pre-school and throughout high school and in my early adulthood was South Korean, and I have not worked a single year in my career without a South Korean being a co-worker of mine, including right now. 

So probably, you should ask the person who is obsessed over Americans being able to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, instead of me?

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psyche101
10 hours ago, ouija ouija said:

Just google something like 'how long do clinical trials take' and look through as many results as you like.

And I have explained to you how acceleration is not necessarily a good thing.

Try reading medical journals about the extreme efforts into providing a cure based on known vaccines and technologies. It's a sars variant. We know it. This one's behaviour is new. That behaviour had to be understood to apply known technologies which lead to developing more new technologies. It's not like they had to start from scratch. Stop fear mongering with inadequate information.

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Hyperionxvii
10 minutes ago, Obviousman said:

Because it's my goddamn RIGHT to own nuclear weapons! The Second Amendment guarantees it! Stop oppressing me!

I personally do not know anyone in the USA who is advocating for owning nuclear weapons. You got some links?

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Golden Duck
1 minute ago, Hyperionxvii said:

Why don't you ask the person who brought it up? It's not like I don't know what is and has been going on in South Korea in my life. My best friend from pre-school and throughout high school and in my early adulthood was South Korean, and I have not worked a single year in my career without a South Korean being a co-worker of mine, including right now. 

So probably, you should ask the person who is obsessed over Americans being able to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, instead of me?

I did exactly what you askef before you asked.

Who asked about your acquaintances and whether or not they're Korea? BTW, I work with a Korean too, with another to start on Monday.  What relevance us that?

Who do you think brought up 2A?  Can you quote the text inferred that from?

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Manwon Lender
12 hours ago, ouija ouija said:

What is the legitimate proof you have that all issues with the vaccine have been made public? Yes, people are choosing, and it would appear that 30% - 40% are choosing not to have the vaccination . . . . given the information that is available.

Well, in fact a lot of people are mistrustful of the annual flu vaccine(I have never had one), not least because it makes so many ill. Also, it seems every year that the jab is not the right one for the flu varient that comes along or two varients appear over the course of a winter.

'Whole swathes of populations' are paranoid because actual events have made them that way! Remember the French knowingly giving blood contaminated with Aids to people who needed blood transfusions, without informing the recipients? What about the American Tuskegee study which left African American men with untreated syphilis for 40 years, under the guise of giving them free health care? These are just two examples which happened in my lifetime. If governments and/or scientists want to test something on a population, then by golly they will, regardless of the consequences. They will confidently take risks on our behalf, without informing us.
 

And I disagree with what you say. :)

 

12 hours ago, ouija ouija said:

What is the legitimate proof you have that all issues with the vaccine have been made public? Yes, people are choosing, and it would appear that 30% - 40% are choosing not to have the vaccination . . . . given the information that is available.

Well, in fact a lot of people are mistrustful of the annual flu vaccine(I have never had one), not least because it makes so many ill. Also, it seems every year that the jab is not the right one for the flu varient that comes along or two varients appear over the course of a winter.

'Whole swathes of populations' are paranoid because actual events have made them that way! Remember the French knowingly giving blood contaminated with Aids to people who needed blood transfusions, without informing the recipients? What about the American Tuskegee study which left African American men with untreated syphilis for 40 years, under the guise of giving them free health care? These are just two examples which happened in my lifetime. If governments and/or scientists want to test something on a population, then by golly they will, regardless of the consequences. They will confidently take risks on our behalf, without informing us.
 

And I disagree with what you say. :)

Since this is being taken off the current topic and since you did not answer my questions in my previous post we can agree to disagree and leave it there.

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Hyperionxvii
5 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

I did exactly what you askef before you asked.

Who asked about your acquaintances and whether or not they're Korea? BTW, I work with a Korean too, with another to start on Monday.  What relevance us that?

Who do you think brought up 2A?  Can you quote the text inferred that from?

"Has you orange prince told you to buy another gun recently?"

What exactly do you think that is? And he's already confirmed that is exactly what he meant? But you're free to research this thread on your own.

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Golden Duck
1 minute ago, Hyperionxvii said:

"Has you orange prince told you to buy another gun recently?"

What exactly do you think that is? And he's already confirmed that is exactly what he meant? But you're free to research this thread on your own.

It's a reply to a dog-whistle of bowing before the Gobmint.  Did you miss that?

You should be able to see that for yourself.  Nevertheless, you brought up the - frankly bizarre - comparison between an RFS volunteer and 2A.  In to answer your silly question all you need to know is that RFS volunteer IS a voter.

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Hyperionxvii
31 minutes ago, Hyperionxvii said:

I personally do not know anyone in the USA who is advocating for owning nuclear weapons. You got some links?

Sure you don't. That's what I just said. 

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Liquid Gardens
On 2/26/2021 at 6:55 AM, ouija ouija said:

Yes, people are choosing, and it would appear that 30% - 40% are choosing not to have the vaccination . . . . given the information that is available.

And the misinformation that is available.

On 2/26/2021 at 6:55 AM, ouija ouija said:

Also, it seems every year that the jab is not the right one for the flu varient that comes along or two varients appear over the course of a winter.

I carry insurance on my house even though I've never had a fire.

On 2/26/2021 at 6:55 AM, ouija ouija said:

Whole swathes of populations' are paranoid because actual events have made them that way! Remember the French knowingly giving blood contaminated with Aids to people who needed blood transfusions, without informing the recipients? What about the American Tuskegee study which left African American men with untreated syphilis for 40 years, under the guise of giving them free health care? These are just two examples which happened in my lifetime.

And what percentage are these crimes of all treatments and studies done in this time frame?  Since the Tuskegee study was decades ago, I'd estimate about 0.00000001%.  Yes, 'paranoid' then is the correct word for your point here.

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Hammerclaw
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God bless the people who don't want to get vaccinated. That makes it easier for the ones that do. 80,000 to a 100,000 thousand people, in the States, die every year from the flu because they didn't get vaccinated, so there's nothing new about this. I do have a morbid curiosity of the thoughts of the ones who refuse vaccination and then contract the virus, while they're lying flat on their backs in hospital, slipping in and out of delirium. 

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Trelane

2 weeks since my second dose of Covax and still no ill effects. 

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