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Neanderthals Could Possibly Speak

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third_eye

If they spoke, what's to stop them from singing and dancing? 

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jmccr8
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2 hours ago, HandsomeGorilla said:

I'm sure they could. Maybe they started speaking, or started speaking more, when they finally encountered and bred with sapiens? 

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/neanderthals-could-both-hear-and-produce-human-like-speech

I have for many years held the position that they did and am sure that it occurred earlier than meeting Hss and have wondered if some lore or myths are an amalgamation of the two groups meeting and mating

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Manwon Lender
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6 hours ago, HandsomeGorilla said:

I'm sure they could. Maybe they started speaking, or started speaking more, when they finally encountered and bred with sapiens? 

 

https://www.sciencealert.com/neanderthals-could-both-hear-and-produce-human-like-speech

According to the paper below it appears that Neanderthals had the ability to speak based upon their anatomy alone, without any interbreeding with Homo-Sapians. In recent years it has become more apparent that Neanderthals were just another human species, and not the brutish cave man they had been depicted as for so long. If this were not true, they could never have interbreed with Homo-Sapians and their genetic record would not still be alive today.

Here is a abstract from a Peer Reviewed article on the subject, if you are interested in this subject the paper in the link below where this abstract came from is certainly worth reading. In short it appears the yes Neanderthals, did have the proper throat structure to speak.

The description of a Neanderthal hyoid from Kebara Cave (Israel) in 1989 fuelled scientific debate on the evolution of speech and complex language. Gross anatomy of the Kebara 2 hyoid differs little from that of modern humans. However, whether Homo neanderthalensiscould use speech or complex language remains controversial. Similarity in overall shape does not necessarily demonstrate that the Kebara 2 hyoid was used in the same way as that of Homo sapiens. The mechanical performance of whole bones is partly controlled by internal trabecular geometries, regulated by bone-remodelling in response to the forces applied. Here we show that the Neanderthal and modern human hyoids also present very similar internal architectures and micro-biomechanical behaviours. Our study incorporates detailed analysis of histology, meticulous reconstruction of musculature, and computational biomechanical analysis with models incorporating internal micro-geometry. Because internal architecture reflects the loadings to which a bone is routinely subjected, our findings are consistent with a capacity for speech in the Neanderthals.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0082261

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Manwon Lender
5 hours ago, third_eye said:

If they spoke, what's to stop them from singing and dancing? 

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Did Neanderthals and other early humans sing?  

https://anthro.vancouver.wsu.edu/documents/287/musicae_bnvZcUZ.pdf

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openozy
7 hours ago, third_eye said:

If they spoke, what's to stop them from singing and dancing?

Sabre tooth tigers?

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jethrofloyd
7 hours ago, third_eye said:

If they spoke, what's to stop them from singing and dancing? 

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Homo Sapiens? :whistle:

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HandsomeGorilla
2 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

According to the paper below it appears that Neanderthals had the ability to speak based upon their anatomy alone, without any interbreeding with Homo-Sapians. In recent years it has become more apparent that Neanderthals were just another human species, and not the brutish cave man they had been depicted as for so long. If this were not true, they could never have interbreed with Homo-Sapians and their genetic record would not still be alive today.

Here is a abstract from a Peer Reviewed article on the subject, if you are interested in this subject the paper in the link below where this abstract came from is certainly worth reading. In short it appears the yes Neanderthals, did have the proper throat structure to speak.

The description of a Neanderthal hyoid from Kebara Cave (Israel) in 1989 fuelled scientific debate on the evolution of speech and complex language. Gross anatomy of the Kebara 2 hyoid differs little from that of modern humans. However, whether Homo neanderthalensiscould use speech or complex language remains controversial. Similarity in overall shape does not necessarily demonstrate that the Kebara 2 hyoid was used in the same way as that of Homo sapiens. The mechanical performance of whole bones is partly controlled by internal trabecular geometries, regulated by bone-remodelling in response to the forces applied. Here we show that the Neanderthal and modern human hyoids also present very similar internal architectures and micro-biomechanical behaviours. Our study incorporates detailed analysis of histology, meticulous reconstruction of musculature, and computational biomechanical analysis with models incorporating internal micro-geometry. Because internal architecture reflects the loadings to which a bone is routinely subjected, our findings are consistent with a capacity for speech in the Neanderthals.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0082261

Oh I wasn't implying the breeding is what caused them to evolve the ability to speak, just the 'meeting' of them may have inspired one or both groups to adopt a similar way of communication, one where they could understand each other

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Manwon Lender
Just now, HandsomeGorilla said:

Oh I wasn't implying the breeding is what caused them to evolve the ability to speak, just the 'meeting' of them may have inspired one or both groups to adopt a similar way of communication, one where they could understand each other

Sorry if my comments were not more clear, I know you were not implying that. However, others who posted to your thread did offer that explanation. Thanks for staring the thread, I have enjoyed participating in it. If you get read the paper in the link I provided, from a scientific point of view it's pretty clear they had the same ability to speak as Homo-Sapiens did.

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Tatetopa

Is it possible that Homo sapiens prevailed not because of superior intelligence or physical abilities but of our proven ability to carry diseases? 

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