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Desire exists in Socialism to. The desire to better ourselves through our contriubtation to society and help others. Unlike capitalism which is how to better yourself by getting profit, and to hell with all others.

And again your making massive assumptions about a political ideology which has still to occur. Your predictions have as much validity as me making a prediction that the, for example, that democracy falls apart due to corruption and we decide to go back to vote Movie stars to be monarchs.

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Unlike capitalism which is how to better yourself by getting profit, and to hell with all others.

Capitalism doesn't express a 'to hell with all others' attitude. Customers are the only reason we are in business. You spend to much time in your political theory books and not enough in the 'real' world of capitalism.

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Your not actually claiming that companies do not see cusomers as a means of profit are you?

Joc, you forget my part time job is in Asda (Walmart) I know exactly what our company thinks of customers.

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I'll never forget the time I was looking for some computer software in Wal-mart. This guy was up on a ladder stocking shelves and I asked him if he could help me find the illusive product. He said, 'I'm busy right now.' and kept on stocking.

But that isn't a comparative study of Capitalism.

Capitalism in the real world is not 'me against them'. There are only two things one can sell...goods or services or both. Goods....you give money and you get something tangible. Services...you give money and you have a service performed for you.

Everyone gets something. Capitalism is so great because it gives ordinary, everyday people the ability to start their own enterprise and prosper. The vast majority of Capitalist enterprises are small businesses. For instance: People around here generally have an automatic lawn sprinkler system. When the thing breaks or doesn't work right, they don't know how to fix it so they call someone. Or if they don't have a sprinkler system and want one...they call someone. I worked for a part supplier in the irrigation industry for six years. Then one day I started my own sprinkler business and have been doing well with it for 15 years. When people have a problem they call me or someone like me. That is capitalism in a nutshell. And the part store where I worked?

The man who owned it was a life insurance salesman...he took some of his money he had saved and bought a part store....basically just a lot of inventory. After 20 years he had 30 stores in several different cities and eventually sold the whole company to a major corporation... John Deere. But how did he get 30 stores? And why do all of these people keep calling me? Because we recognize that the customer is the only reason there is any business and we take care of them. Why do people go to Wal-mart? It isn't for the 'customer service' as you already stated. But they are able to give people what they want at a cheaper price than they can get it somewhere else. In my business I am successful because of three things: I answer the phone and therefore schedule appointments, I actually show up for those appointments and usually on time....or I call. And I perform the service needed in a professional and friendly manner. People pay me and then I take some of the money and go to Wal-mart and buy something. Where in a Socialist society is the desire for me to start my own business? There is a reason Socialism doesn't work. Can you guess what it is?

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I believe our capitalist system is far too unregulated..our tax dollars subsidise Wall Street. That is known as corporate communism joc. Unless you have insurance then you cant get affordable healthcare...hmm, pay in to the corporate anty for services? Problem is that both Capitalism and Communism work in theory but without a proper mediator[government] then the crooks take over.

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Joc, theres a reason capitalism has the word 'capital' in it? Individuals like Bill Gates (sine weren't on Computers) are only in the buisness to make money, they do that by making a computer whose parts and assembly cost £50, work labour cost £5 a hour, and then sell it for £1000, somehow thinking thats an acceptable profit. On the other scale you have people struggling in the miniumuim wage (i.e. the ones working and buying from Gates). Where in all this does Gates actually care about his customers beyond their wallets?

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babs why do u even get involved in threads like this, you cant even read a map.

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babs why do u even get involved in threads like this, you cant even read a map.

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If every had to be as perfect as you to be on this site you would be on it alone im sure wacko.gif

I cant read hyroglithics but it doesnt mean i cant get involved

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I cant read hyroglithics but it doesnt mean i cant get involved

nor spell it lol.

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ok That's enough thankyou. Wun please try to refrain from posting stuff like this....

babs why do u even get involved in threads like this, you cant even read a map

The ONLY thing that is going to result from that is an argument which will eventually lead to warnings being issued.

Now back on topic

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Where in all this does Gates actually care about his customers beyond their wallets?

Tsk, tsk, tsk...so glad you asked! grin2.gif

BEIJING (June 1, 2002 2:56 p.m. EDT) - A charity created by Microsoft billionaire Bill Gates will donate $37.5 million to combat hepatitis B in China, where two-thirds of those infected with the potentially lethal disease are found.

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Where the Money Goes

$1 billion over 20 years to establish the Gates Millennium Scholarship Program, which will support promising minority students through college and some kinds of graduate school.

$750 million over five years to the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization, which includes the World Health Organization, the Rockefeller Foundation, Unicef, pharmaceutical companies and the World Bank.

$350 million over three years to teachers, administrators, school districts and schools to improve America’s K-12 education, starting in Washington State.

$200 million to the Gates Library Program, which is wiring public libraries in America’s poorest communities in an effort to close the “digital divide.”

$100 million to the Gates Children’s Vaccine Program, which will accelerate delivery of lifesaving vaccines to children in the poorest countries of the world.

$50 million to the Maternal Mortality Reduction Program, run by the Columbia University School of Public Health.

$50 million to the Malaria Vaccine Initiative, to conduct research on promising candidates for a malaria vaccine.

$50 million to an international group called the Alliance for the Prevention of Cervical Cancer.

$50 million to a fund for global polio eradication, led by the World Health Organization, Unicef, Rotary International and the U.N. Foundation.

$40 million to the International Vaccine Institute, a research program based in Seoul, South Korea.

$28 million to Unicef for the elimination of maternal and neonatal tetanus.

$25 million to the Sequella Global Tuberculosis Foundation.

$25 million to the International AIDS Vaccine Initiative, which is creating coalitions of research scientists, pharmaceutical companies and governments in developing countries to look for a safe, effective, widely accessible vaccine against AIDS.

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You like to portray capitalism as evil and capitalists as uncaring, money hungry, greedy corporate blood-suckers. Gates is the leading philanthropist of his time.

Or does this not count at all with you?

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Did you guys hear what Bush said in europe about Iran

"We are not going to invade Iran, saying that with all options on the table"

That's kind of contradictory of him. Do you think Iran will be invaded soon? It is not a secrete Iran want's Nuclear technology and we invaded Iraq for (accusations they had nuclear capability) a lot less.

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That's kind of contradictory of him. Do you think Iran will be invaded soon? It is not a secrete Iran want's Nuclear technology and we invaded Iraq for (accusations they had nuclear capability) a lot less.

The man has a sense of humor. All great men do. Remember when Reagan said, "The bombs start dropping in 5 minutes."? laugh.gif

Iran will not develop a nuclear weapon....whatever it takes to keep that from happening is what will be done. ph34r.gif

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BEIJING (June 1, 2002 2:56 p.m. EDT) - A charity created by Microsoft billionaire Bill Gates will donate $37.5 million to combat hepatitis B in China, where two-thirds of those infected with the potentially lethal disease are found.

You do know thats pocket change to these people right? And even if Gates is varing, sharing teddy bear you say he is, how you account for the actions of all the other billionaires out there, most of whom have enough to end third World debt over night.

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That is exactly what I'm talking about when I say you people see the glass as half empty. Gates wasn't obligated in any way to give one penny to any charity...yet he claims that when he dies, all of his billions will go to charities. And what about all the other billionaires? Do you know that they don't give heavily to charities? and what if they don't? What business is it of yours what I do with my money?

Let's see you name some top Socialist billionaires and their charity list. tongue.gif Oh wait, I forgot, there aren't any. Talon, do you realize that the typical 'poor' person in the United States live like literal Kings compared to the masses in The Third World? And why is that? Capitalism. Doesn't it therefore make sense that if every country in the world had Capitalist Economies that the impoverished people would not be so impoverished?

Or would you prefer that everyone was equally as miserable? hmm.gif

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Joc, there are no Socialist billionaires, because all billionaires will naturally be capitalists to hold onto their wealth.

The poorest US citizen is richer than 90% of the Third World because your an industrialised state, they have nothing.

And as for who's buisness it is what wealth is spent on? I would think it more of a question of what type of society allows some individuals to walk around with enough money in the bank to buy a small island, while the man accross the road is eating out of the wastebin.

If this one person who can buy an island was to distribute his wealth (more than he possibly needs anyway) to those homeless people, then all had the equal share, no poverty, and everyone is happy. They would not be miserable, because the amount of wealth collectively the rich have will not be as diluited once spread as that statement suggests.

And as for all societies becoming capitalist, for that to happen we would all need to become industrialised (the most profiable way possible for the industrialists) and the planet can't bare with currently industry let alone anymore.

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And as for who's buisness it is what wealth is spent on? I would think it more of a question of what type of society allows some individuals to walk around with enough money in the bank to buy a small island, while the man accross the road is eating out of the wastebin.

a free one

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So...... bathory.... your defense of a free society is that it allows people to starve on the street while others live like Kings? And you think this is a good thing....

No offense, but Joc arguements were much better tongue.gif

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it gives people a choice, it gives people a chance, the US does have welfare you know

i think you will find that homelessness is less to do with the evil KKKapitalist system, and more to do with problems such as drugs and mental illness (although i guess those are probably a biproduct of the evil kkkapitalist system).

Even sweden has homeless people:P

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Actually, a lot of homeless people are kids who ran away from abusive parents and students who fell on far times. It just shows your bigoted view of homeless people that you put it all down to drugs and mental disability, although those cases will exist.

Also, why are you trying to associate the Capitalist system with the KKK? I thought the US gave blacks equality (although social as opposised to economic, since many still live below the poverty line) a generation ago.

Indeed, Sweden does have homeless, and its Capitalist too just with a left-wing party. So all you've proven is that there are 2 Capitalist societies with homeless. If you want I could tell you others, like country in the world. At least though the Third World nations have the excuse that their government is barely as rich as its citizenry. Whats the west's?

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Actually, a lot of homeless people are kids who ran away from abusive parents and students who fell on far times. It just shows your bigoted view of homeless people that you put it all down to drugs and mental disability, although those cases will exist.

Also, why are you trying to associate the Capitalist system with the KKK? I thought the US gave blacks equality (although social as opposised to economic, since many still live below the poverty line) a generation ago.

Indeed, Sweden does have homeless, and its Capitalist too just with a left-wing party. So all you've proven is that there are 2 Capitalist societies with homeless. If you want I could tell you others, like country in the world. At least though the Third World nations have the excuse that their government is barely as rich as its citizenry. Whats the west's?

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This is not a cheap dig or to start an arguement but what in your own time do you do to help these unfortunets

Just asking

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I buy the big issue. I am not a billionaire or the government. What do you do? Must be something really important for you to ask that question.

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I buy the big issue. I am not a billionaire or the government. What do you do? Must be something really important for you to ask that question.

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Sorry to disapoint you,i also buy the big issue,i am to poor to do much else when it comes to funds

I just thought you would be into some thing a bit more hands on

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Joc, there are no Socialist billionaires, because all billionaires will naturally be capitalists to hold onto their wealth.

As you already stated, it takes Capitalism to run Socialism. Socialism would take the Capitalists wealth and redistribute it.

The poorest US citizen is richer than 90% of the Third World because your an industrialised state, they have nothing.

We became industrialized because of Capitalism…when the Third World is Democratic, then Capitalism will take root, and therefore they too will become industrialized and consequently they will then have ‘something’.

If this one person who can buy an island was to distribute his wealth (more than he possibly needs anyway) to those homeless people, then all had the equal share, no poverty, and everyone is happy. They would not be miserable, because the amount of wealth collectively the rich have will not be as diluited once spread as that statement suggests.

The flaw in this argument Talon, is thus: the ‘reason’ the wealthy person became that way was because of his hard work. It isn’t ‘easy’ to become wealthy…it requires hard work and sacrifice. Consider Bob who is lazy and does nothing all day but watch TV all day. His house is in a state of disrepair, junk all over the property, but he does nothing because he is lazy. Tom across the street paints pictures and sells them once a month at the local gallery. He makes a considerable amount of money doing it. His roof needed repair and his house needed a new coat of paint, so he hires two companies to do the work. George owns the roofing company and employs Billy, Franky, and Willy. They work for a nominal wage but still make enough money to pay their bills and cloth their kids, etc. So, all of these hard working folks should subsidize Lazy Bob so he doesn’t loose his house and TV? Lets say Tom paints 100 pictures a month. That is about 3 a day. But his Socialist government demands 50% to subsidize Lazy Bob. Do you think that Tom is going to work harder or will he just stop painting all together or considerably lessen his work load?

And as for all societies becoming capitalist, for that to happen we would all need to become industrialised (the most profiable way possible for the industrialists) and the planet can't bare with currently industry let alone anymore.

Where did you acquire this myth? tongue.gif

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